Where are the liberals on the issue of net neutrality ?
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qweloo @ 26th Apr 04:44PM:
Where are the liberals on the issue of net neutrality ?

Where are the Liberals on the issue of net neutrality ? Aren't they supposed to be the official opposition to Conservative's Prentice ?

Right now only the NDP seems to be on the consumer side of this issue with Angus speaking out in the media.

I voted Liberals historically but this pretty much sway my vote to the NDP next election.
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ShadPTR @ 26th Apr 04:50PM:
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I was just thinking the same.
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oxymoron69 @ 26th Apr 04:57PM:
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The liberals are sitting back, sipping brandy and smoking their cigars.

Comfortable in the fact that they, like the others are in the hip pockets of big media.

Counting their dollars, coming back every election claiming to be for the regular people and the cycle continues...
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chronoss2008 @ 26th Apr 04:58PM:
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where they always are

"abstaining"
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ShadPTR @ 26th Apr 04:59PM:
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Err... you just defined the word Government to a tee. :D
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steveAnders @ 26th Apr 05:00PM:
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I think Brison said something about this issue not going away, but I can't find the quote. I'm sure that if the protest is big enough, the Liberals will start getting more vocal, maybe the Conservatives too. And then we win.

Although not in the house, the Greens are also on board - net neutrality is in their platform.

I wonder also about the Bloc?
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anon @ 26th Apr 05:15PM:
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>I wonder also about the Bloc?

Would be nice if the Bloc would jump in on the neutrality side too. If only the Quebec consumer group that filed the CRTC complain talk to their MP.

Can we get the Greens to show up on protest?
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TobiasFunke @ 26th Apr 05:25PM:
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The Liberals' silence is deafening.

I wrote my MP (Bob Rae) about this weeks ago and specifically requested a response. To date, I have yet to hear anything from him.

I suspect the Liberals lack a clear policy on this issue and they're just going to sit it out on the sidelines and hope it goes away. Taking Bell's side will cost them voter support, taking the public's side will cost them dollars (don't think Bell's board and upper management isn't stacked with Liberal party donors). It's lose-lose as far as they're concerned.
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eots @ 26th Apr 05:32PM:
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I wrote to him also. Boob Rae has always been useless and he's the reason the NDP lost official party status in Ontario after his stint as Premier. It's not surprising he had to change parties to get back into politics and ran in a riding that's always been a Liberal strong hold.
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anon @ 26th Apr 05:33PM:
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said by An Onymous :

>I wonder also about the Bloc?

Would be nice if the Bloc would jump in on the neutrality side too. If only the Quebec consumer group that filed the CRTC complain talk to their MP.

Can we get the Greens to show up on protest?
The Bloc has their own agenda; creating its own Quebec crtc.

I think the montreal gazette link to the Bloc's bill they will table can be found in here, »www.p2pnet.net/story/15740

I have no doubts that the Bloc is aware of this and will use this in support of their own agenda.
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jfmezei @ 26th Apr 05:57PM:
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Without a leader, the Liberals know they will be decimated in the next election. But they don't have the guts to call for a leadership convention.

So as someone else said, they just sit back, relax, enjjoy a good brandy and let Reform govern the country with their support.
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steveAnders @ 26th Apr 06:07PM:
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getting the Greens out to protest is a great idea, I've been in touch with them on this issue, so I'll see what I can do.

I think it's just a matter of if they have anyone in Ottawa

exciting
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anon @ 26th Apr 06:15PM:
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I think the only party that will support our cause without having to see it on the news and thinking "Oh hey, if I support these internet geeks I'll get votes"
would be:

»www.thepirateparty.ca/

and unfortunately, they don't seem to be too active :-(
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anon @ 26th Apr 06:44PM:
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Put me down as another that has been ignored by Bob Rae. Though he did spend a bunch of money on sending everyone pamphlets on how to contact him. What a nice fellow.
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timc @ 26th Apr 07:08PM:
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Why would politicians be intervening at this point instead of just letting the CRTC do its job? The only reason I can think of is to get more attention in the media, which is something the NDP is always starving for. There is a process to be followed, and to intervene in the affairs of the CRTC before anything is even decided is just foolish.
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Taylortbb @ 26th Apr 07:14PM:
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said by timc :

Why would politicians be intervening at this point instead of just letting the CRTC do its job? The only reason I can think of is to get more attention in the media, which is something the NDP is always starving for. There is a process to be followed, and to intervene in the affairs of the CRTC before anything is even decided is just foolish.
Because all the CRTC is deciding is if Bell can throttle wholesalers. The CRTC is not considering if Bell and Rogers can throttle their own customers. I personally would like to see net neutrality legislation that banned throttling as a whole, not just for wholesalers.
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TobiasFunke @ 26th Apr 07:17PM:
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The CRTC is ultimately answerable only to Parliament, not to the public. It's Parliament that sets the CRTC's policy.

Now, as it happens, Parliament is answerable to the electorate. Therefore, if we want a positive outcome at the CRTC, basically the only way to do it is to make sure our MPs know what their voters want, so they can make it clear to the CRTC what its priorities should be.
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jfmezei @ 26th Apr 07:17PM:
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>Why would politicians be intervening at this point instead of
>just letting the CRTC do its job?

The CRTC analysts are supposed to be logical and by the book. But the Council makes the rulings based on the analyst's recommendations as well as political and public pressure.

In this particular case, the real people hurt are not teh CAIP members, but the customers of ISPs (aka: citizens). In the injunction issue, the analysts don't officially take that into consideration since it strictly the ISPs vs Bell.

But at the Council level, politicians can lean on the council to consider the impact on citizens.
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Slot Zero @ 26th Apr 08:11PM:
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said by oxymoron69 :

The liberals are sitting back, sipping brandy and smoking their cigars.
As they count all the money Bell contributed to them in previous elections thinking "We'd best not bite the hand that feeds us."
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anon @ 26th Apr 08:31PM:
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Prof Michael Geist explains where Liberals stand on copyright:

Where Do The Liberals Stand on Copyright?

Dan McTeague, the longtime Liberal MP for Pickering-Scarborough East, is best known for his Private Member's bill on tax-deductible RESPs that caused the government a fair share of heartburn and was ultimately not supported by his own party which did not want to risk an election on the issue. McTeague has been a longtime advocate for many consumer issues, including campaigning against high gas prices and fighting for more consular support for Canadians abroad. Notwithstanding this record, McTeague is rapidly emerging as a vocal voice on another issue - U.S.-style DMCA copyright reform. Indeed, while McTeague may be the Liberal Party's Consumer Affairs critic, he is decidedly anti-consumer when it comes to the issue of copyright.
and this well complements the form letter I got back from my MP back in December after sending mine.
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chronoss2008 @ 27th Apr 03:50AM:
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hrm and if you trust liberals and CONservatives
remember that time when the liberals were going to introduce a DMCA style law.
Thanks to the NDP it got gutted.

Seeing how they cohabitate the saskatchewan provinacial govt makes me wonder why they dont both just merge and we can make them both an opposition party by voting for something else.
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vintagewino @ 27th Apr 09:22AM:
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said by TobiasFunke :

The Liberals' silence is deafening.

I wrote my MP (Bob Rae) about this weeks ago and specifically requested a response. To date, I have yet to hear anything from him.

I suspect the Liberals lack a clear policy on this issue and they're just going to sit it out on the sidelines and hope it goes away. Taking Bell's side will cost them voter support, taking the public's side will cost them dollars (don't think Bell's board and upper management isn't stacked with Liberal party donors). It's lose-lose as far as they're concerned.
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Hmmm ... interesting.

I wrote to my Conservative MP, got a reply, replies from Mssrs Angus & Layton, NOTHING from Prentice OR the Liberals.

Sorry, I forgot about the Bloc. No offence intended. We should get them on our side as well.

Folks, we can't let this one get by. It's a very slippery slope when the government becomes the puppet of the greedy business corporations.
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anon @ 27th Apr 11:18AM:
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Hate to say it, but the government has long been pandering to big business...

Check this:
»www.boingboing.net/2008/04/26/co···-ga.html

Dan McTeague is the Liberal MP from Pickering-Scarborough East, and he's proposed that we should pass a law making it illegal to use the Internet to "threaten" Members of Parliament with negative publicity if we don't like their political positions.

...Yeah, and how would he know that we were using the internets to undermine his 'good' character?
Bell, and DPI.

First they use DPI to 'selectively' throttle us,
next, monitoring of the electorate to make sure we don't have dissenting opinions or question our elected leaders knowledge.

I'm afraid, might as well get a crazy carpet and make this slippery slope a fun ride :-(
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Slot Zero @ 27th Apr 02:22PM:
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said by qweloo :

Where are the Liberals on the issue of net neutrality ?
I wrote my Liberal MPP for Kingston and the Islands but have heard nada. Their silence on this issue is deafening.
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matradley @ 28th Apr 03:30PM:
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I think this is an interesting article on the CBC - »www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···ity.html
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EUS @ 28th Apr 03:41PM:
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W/O getting too political, between conservatives taking steps to having abortion re-criminalized to the liberals supporting the crime bill, the war, etc., there is only one valid party left for me to vote for.....
And it ain't the bloc.
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~ Project Hope ~
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NCRGuy @ 28th Apr 03:59PM:
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said by Slot Zero :

said by qweloo :

Where are the Liberals on the issue of net neutrality ?
I wrote my Liberal MPP for Kingston and the Islands but have heard nada. Their silence on this issue is deafening.
I doubt you will hear anything from the MP for Kingston and the Islands specifically addressing this issue for a very simple reason -- he is the Speaker of the House of Commons. As such, he won't publicly take a stand on most issues.

Those who complained about not hearing anything from Bob Rae, cut the guy a bit of slack (not too much though, I lived in Ontario from 1990-1995 too). Keep in mind that he didn't take his seat until the end of March, and setting up an office doesn't happen over night. Waiting a month for a response from an MP is pretty standard in the best of times.

If you want to know what the Libs have to say on this, I would suggest focussing on the members of the Shadow Cabinet who should be engaged in this: McTeague (Consumer Affairs) and Brison (Industry), and, of course, as leader, Dion.

One way to expedite a response might be, rather than simply inquiring as to their position, ask them in the context of an invitation to speak at the protest in favour of net neutrality. An invitation might get higher priority in the big pile of correspondence, and their acceptance or not should give a pretty clear indication of their stance.
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chronoss2008 @ 28th Apr 07:14PM:
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you can forget the BLOC because that one girl always gets up in question period trying to defend hollywood on that C-10 bill , i would suspect shes like them liberals on that angle , an mp can get a lot a favors joining the dark side.
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