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maartena @ 18th Jun 03:34PM:
New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I just bought a HDTV last week, and called up Time Warner Socal to ask about their HDTV lineup. They told me that they are currently working to upgrade the network in the entire Socal Area (which is true, I received a letter about a month ago that they were going to work in the neighbourhood), and that a total of 20 new HD channels should be added by Fall 2008, and we should be getting a total of about 70 HD channels in 2009. (so that would be 30 or so more on top of the 20)

Sure, they are way behind DirectTV on that one, but I was just wondering if anyone in Socal has any more info, and happens to know which channels will be added?
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ignorant @ 18th Jun 04:11PM:
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Coming in July...

Food Network HD
HGTV HD
CNN HD
History Channel HD
A&E HD
Golf/Vs HD
Discovery HD
TLC HD
Disney Channel HD
ABC Family HD
ESPNews HD
National Geographic HD

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maartena @ 18th Jun 04:58PM:
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Very cool! I was told "fall", but you are saying July already? Where did you find this info?

Thanks :)
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shyguy907 @ 19th Jun 02:36PM:
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TWC has updated their Programming Alerts page on their So Cal website today with some surprising info :o

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···rts.html

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Beginning July 9, 2008 through February 2009, the following launches will take place throughout Time Warner Cable Los Angeles' service areas. Launch schedule and channel numbers will be available on our website at www.timewarnercable.com/socal starting early July 2008. Some of the launches listed below may only apply to limited areas.

HGTV HD, Food Network HD, CNN HD, History Channel HD, A&E HD, Golf/Versus HD, Discovery HD, TLC HD, Disney Channel HD, ABC Family HD, ESPNews HD, and National Geographic HD will be launched in all areas. These networks will be on the same service level as the standard definition version of each network. HD equipment is required to receive High Definition channels.

anon @ 20th Jun 12:16AM:
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What is not mentioned is Time Warner's shame:

C1R, ZeeTV, CCTV-4, ART, TV Asia, RAI, TVK1, and ETTV will be launched in areas where these networks are currently not available. These networks will be available as a premium service except TVK1, which will be available on Choice Tier.

El Paquetazo package and El Paquetazo Dos tier will be launched in areas where currently not available. El Paquetazo package will be available for $34.95 per month, plus equipment and included in this package are Broadcast Basic services, Espanol tier services, El Paquetazo Dos Tier services, and selected English networks. El Paquetazo Dos tier is also available ala carte for $5 per month with subscription to Nuestra Tele Paquete.

The following services will be launched on El Paquetazo Dos tier: AYM Sports 857, Caracol International 821, Cine Mexicano 836 (not available in some areas), Ecuavisa Internacional 819, Latele Novela 845 (not available in some areas), Latinoamerica TV 818, Sur Mexico 809, TV Colombia 822 (not available in some areas), and TV Chile 820 (not available in some areas).

The following services will be launched on Espanol Tier: Bandamax 840, De Pelicula 832, and De Pelicula Clasico 833, Discovery Familia 852.

The following services will become available on an additional channel numbers: KVEA 803, KAZA 804, Galavision 805, Mexico 22 806, CBTV Michoacan 807, Once Mexico 808, TVE Internacional 811 (not available in some areas), Sur 816 (not available in some areas), CNN En Espanol 828, The History Channel En Espanol 829 (not available in some areas), Discovery En Espanol 830, Cine Latino 834, Infinito 835, HTV 838, Video Rola 839, SiTV 842, Mun2 843 (not available in some areas), Utilisima 844, Cartoon Network (SAP) 847 (not available in Artesia and Claremont), Boomerang (SAP) 848, Toon Disney en SAP 849, Sorpresa 850, V-me 851, La Familia Cosmovision 853, EWTN Espanol 854, GolTV 856 (not available in some areas), Fox Sports En Espanol 859, and ESPN Deportes 860. These services will continue to be available on their existing channel number and service level.

Evidently, bandwidth is No Problemo for TW except when it comes to English-language programming. I advocate that customers unhappy with the HD selection bear this in mind.
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MacLeech @ 20th Jun 02:37AM:
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said by The Vigilante :

Evidently, bandwidth is No Problemo for TW except when it comes to English-language programming. I advocate that customers unhappy with the HD selection bear this in mind.

Most of those Spanish channels they've carried for years, they're just grouped into a couple of tiers now and marketed more. About 13 of them are new and would basically be carried in one or two 6 Mhz QAM channels.

Makes sense if a HUGE part of their service area passed but unsubscribed are Spanish speaking.

In July, they're also launching a dozen English HD channels. That takes about six 6 Mhz QAM channels. Another dozen later in the year and another couple dozen next year.

So altogether TWC seems to plan on using about 24x more bandwidth for primarily English HD channels then the amount of bandwidth they using for the Spanish channels they're launching.

So what problem did you have concerning TWCs bandwidth allocation for English language programming again?
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aztecnology @ 21st Jun 02:26AM:
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said by ignorant :

Coming in July...

Food Network HD
HGTV HD
CNN HD
History Channel HD
A&E HD
Golf/Vs HD
Discovery HD
TLC HD
Disney Channel HD
ABC Family HD
ESPNews HD
National Geographic HD

Its about fook'n time...
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Anonymous_ @ 21st Jun 11:56PM:
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now there is FSN-w on 413 in palmdale it was on an "Test screen" for months

but i do not care for such stuff

MacLeech @ 22nd Jun 12:34AM:
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said by Anonymous_ :

now there is FSN-w on 413 in palmdale it was on an "Test screen" for months

but i do not care for such stuff

Blame that on FSN. They only have content on there occasionally. It's the same for any provider carrying that channel.

Here's their schedule for HD programming:
»msn.foxsports.com/name/HD
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Anonymous_ @ 22nd Jun 01:14AM:
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i am Blameing TWC for adding that network in the first place
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videonex @ 22nd Jun 11:12PM:
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Mac, What amazes me is that TWC or ANY of the local operators that I have found, are not carrying any of the Spanish language local HDTV signals. KMEX and KVEA at least have some very aggressive HDTV offerings and promotion. Can it be a retrans consent issue at this point in time? I would think that Univision and NBC Universal would feel the carriage was worth more at this time than trying to nickle and dime the cable companies. At least we don't have to deal with Sinclair around here!
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MacLeech @ 22nd Jun 11:48PM:
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Honestly I don't think there is enough demand for it right now. TWC just started PUSHING a couple of tiers of Spanish programming to try and capture a large segment of the untapped subscribers around SoCal... maybe if that is successful Spanish HD won't be far behind.
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maartena @ 23rd Jun 06:20PM:
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That's not FSN-West HD, they never carried FSN-West HD. The channel is called "TWC Sport Specials" or something along those lines. They happen to broadcast the HD broadcasts of FSN-West when a local team is playing, e.g. Angels or Dodgers, and the pre-game and after-game shows. But they do not broadcast any of the other FSN-HD content.

TWC does not have FSN-HD in their line up as far as I know.
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shyguy907 @ 3rd Jul 12:54AM:
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Here are the upcoming HD networks with channel numbers, if anyone interested:

418 Discovery HD
423 Golf/Versus HD
426 ESPNews HD
432 CNN HD
433 HGTV HD
434 Food Network HD
435 Disney Channel HD
436 ABC Family HD
437 TLC HD
439 History Channel HD
439 A&E HD
440 National Geographic HD

History Channel HD and A&E HD are listed as channel 439 on the website, one of them is 438.

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···rts.html

I guess we'll have to wait until July 9th.
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aztecnology @ 3rd Jul 10:47AM:
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Thanks, wish they would turn up this weekend since I'll be having a Staycation™ ...
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ignorant @ 3rd Jul 12:06PM:
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Just to make sure it's clear, only some areas (TWC Legacy & a few others) are getting the channels on 7/09/08, the rest of the areas (The rest of old Adelphia/Comcast)will be following through Feb.
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aztecnology @ 3rd Jul 12:09PM:
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said by ignorant :

Just to make sure it's clear, only some areas (TWC Legacy) are getting the channels on 7/09/08, the rest of the areas (Old Adelphia/Comcast)will be following through Feb.

w.t.f. - i wish i still had comcast :(

i need to move across the street where i can get fios...
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shyguy907 @ 3rd Jul 02:56PM:
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said by ignorant :

Just to make sure it's clear, only some areas (TWC Legacy & a few others) are getting the channels on 7/09/08, the rest of the areas (The rest of old Adelphia/Comcast)will be following through Feb.

So I guess its true, heard that before. Well, sucks for me, Im in the former Comcast area :(
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maartena @ 3rd Jul 06:34PM:
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Cool. I live in Orange, always has been TWC so I should be good to go next week :) To bad it won't be this weekend, I'll be home for most of it.

I guess the Adelphia and Comcast networks needed more work?

OH, Can a mod change the topic title to "New HDTV channels in Socal starting this July!"

Since it isn't really happening in fall, although maybe for some ;)

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anon @ 3rd Jul 10:56PM:
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What about new areas that have only been TWC? I live in a neighborhood only 8 years old in Corona. I believe it's always been TWC.
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maartena @ 4th Jul 02:01PM:
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said by slingshot2 :

What about new areas that have only been TWC? I live in a neighborhood only 8 years old in Corona. I believe it's always been TWC.

From what I understand, the channels will be launched on the 9th of july for all areas that were TWC prior to the 2006 comcast/adelphia buy-out.... I guess they just haven't quite upgraded the networks they bought yet.
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ignorant @ 4th Jul 02:13PM:
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Corona was Comcast/Adelphia before the buy-out.
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maartena @ 6th Jul 03:23AM:
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You know what.... I REALLY REALLY hope they will add USA HD before the Olympics start on August 8th 2008.

There is not a single standard definition camera at these olympics, everything is recorded in HD format. The Olympics will be broadcast on NBC and NBC HD, USA and USA HD, and Universal HD.

I have Universal HD because I have the HD package for $5. I have NBC HD because it comes with my digital cable.

But they are launching 12 channels next week, and I am PRAYING they will at least launch USA HD before early august, so we can watch all of the Olympics in HD....

It would be a great boast for Time Warner also. "We broadcast all of the Olympics in HD".

But I have a feeling they could care less about the olympics, or they would have launched USA HD with the channels on the 9th already :(
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Vchat20 @ 6th Jul 09:17AM:
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I seriously do hope that this is true and these channels will be rolled out in EVERY legacy TWC division as the HD lineup here in NEO has been terribly lagging behind. Aside from locals, about all we have is TBSHD, TNTHD (both extremely lacking unless they are airing a movie or a very recent original series), FoodHD, Discovery Theater, History HD, both ESPN and ESPN2, A&E, HGTV, Universal, HDNET, and the big movie channels. And half of those channels hardly air anything that is TRUE HD.

One channel I have been clamoring for on that list for the LONGEST time is Discovery so I hope it all comes to this division as promised. Maybe I'll stick with TWC a little longer then and wait to switch to DTV (*gasp*).
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ignorant @ 6th Jul 02:19PM:
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This thread is only talking about SoCal Legacy TWC.
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maartena @ 6th Jul 05:42PM:
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Well I sent a message to TWC asking about USA-HD before the Olympics start.... by tomorrow i will probably have received the default "at this moment.... la-di-da-di-da" e-mail. But it's worth a shot :)
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MacLeech @ 6th Jul 07:25PM:
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said by maartena :

Well I sent a message to TWC asking about USA-HD before the Olympics start.... by tomorrow i will probably have received the default "at this moment.... la-di-da-di-da" e-mail. But it's worth a shot :)

You should get a better answer/result here:
»www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/Ab···eam.html

Try the email at the bottom. They can get you a much better answer then normal tech support.
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maartena @ 7th Jul 02:20AM:
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Thanks, I did that. I have very little confidence however that they will actually add USA-HD before the olympics. Don't really want to switch to satellite either really. Unless a really good deal comes, I may be tempted :)
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djrobx @ 7th Jul 12:12PM:
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I would not be surprised at all if they got USA-HD up for the Olympics. It's AMAZAING how quickly cable companies manage to get it together to add channels for major events. 2 years ago Comcast "temporarily" added UHD just for the olympics, and then pulled it back off once they were over!

Originally I think it took the Superbowl to get CBS HD on the lineup. And there was some other sporting event that netted us TNT-HD.

Looking over the current list of channels it looks like they've reached an agreement with ABC/Disney (ABC Family HD, CNN HD, Disney HD, ESPNews HD) , but not NBC/Universal (USAHD, Sci Fi HD, CNBC HD, Bravo HD).
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MacLeech @ 7th Jul 12:30PM:
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Speaking of Olympic channel related deals:
»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6575599.html

anon @ 7th Jul 05:18PM:
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I just got off the phone with TW service and she said July 22nd for the upgrade. This includes ALL of Corona.
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anon @ 7th Jul 05:24PM:
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Not sure I'd believe that if I were you.
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anon @ 7th Jul 05:59PM:
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Why shouldn't I believe it? I was very clear with my request and she researched it for about 5 minutes to be sure.
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anon @ 9th Jul 05:44AM:
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I just moved to the area. How to I know which areas are legacy and which are former comcast areas? I live in Hacienda Heights.
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aztecnology @ 9th Jul 08:57AM:
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Ok SoCal, who's got the new channels...? I left the house early today and forgot to check...
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maartena @ 9th Jul 11:10AM:
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Yeah I got em. :)
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aztecnology @ 9th Jul 12:39PM:
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:huh: - Just called home, no new channels...
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maartena @ 9th Jul 02:50PM:
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Just for the record, I did not need to reboot my box either... turned on the TV this morning and they had just shown up.

Now all I need is USA HD before the olympics start :)
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gabe323 @ 9th Jul 05:07PM:
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Oxnard here, Ex-Adelphia

I just had a fun time calling about the channels. The first girl I spoke to said the channels should be available but only to my MOXI box. I looked at the MOXI and reset it but they still weren't available. The second girl I spoke to also said the channels should be available to me and through all of my boxes, MOXI, Moto HD DVR w/HDMI, Moto HD STB w/HDMI. None were getting the channels so the girl decided to set up a truck call even after I asked her to PLEASE double check that the channels are available to me.

I decided to call back right after because I knew the channels wouldn't be available right away from reading the comments in this thread. This time I spoke to a man who actually knew what he was talking about, had a schedule in front of him and confirmed that the channels were not available to me at this time. Oh well.

Oxnard is set for September 10 of this year. Only four cities went live today. Some even have to wait until December.

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that USA HD and SCIFI HD will be available by that time!
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shyguy907 @ 9th Jul 05:15PM:
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Here the TWC website to check to see if your city will get the new HD channels:

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···talCable

My city isn't on the list, have to wait a bit longer :(
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aztecnology @ 9th Jul 05:56PM:
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Thanks for that link, I'll have to call to find out which category I fall into...

Available in August: parts of Murrieta

Available in September: Murrieta (partial)
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Anonymous_ @ 9th Jul 06:28PM:
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nothing here in palmdale tell September :mad:
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anon @ 9th Jul 09:20PM:
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I didn't get the channels today.

I'm not listed on the web page.

So I called TWC to ask them when I might expect the channels. The customer service person told me to tune to Channel 418, which apparently is a new HD channel, but there was nothing there. He explained that they are not given the information as to when the new channels will be launched in certain area. I found this odd because it's listed on their own website and it says "call if your city isn't listed".

FYI, I'm in the Hacienda Heights area.
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ignorant @ 9th Jul 10:30PM:
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Hacienda Heights should be done in Nov.
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anon @ 9th Jul 11:53PM:
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I checked this morning and i got the new " HD channels" since i dont have the hd box i cant watch them but what i noticed is that the new channels dont have the HD iconon the system menu as TNTHD or TBSHD does. anyone watching this channels on full HD ? i want to upgrade to a HD box, but wanna make sure there are Real HD.

Im paying a whole lot just for 30 channels and 1.5 mbps internet service = 67 a month ? any tips to get my bill down ?
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maartena @ 10th Jul 12:19AM:
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said by chinoHboi :

I checked this morning and i got the new " HD channels" since i dont have the hd box i cant watch them but what i noticed is that the new channels dont have the HD iconon the system menu as TNTHD or TBSHD does. anyone watching this channels on full HD ? i want to upgrade to a HD box, but wanna make sure there are Real HD.

It depends on whether the program broadcasted in HD or not... I have checked the channels today, and and most have either 1080i or 720p HD programming. Discovery HD, National Geographic HD, and History HD definitly seemed 1080i HD, and HGTV and Food Network had both 720p and 1080i shows.... It really depends on what cameras are used. CNN HD is nice, but a lot of the field reporting is not in HD, and neither is much of the footage they show, such as today's Obama/Jackson stuff. You'll see that kind of footage with a HD banner on both sides of the 4:3 picture. The studio shots of Anderson Cooper 360 are all full HD, Larry King is not.

The biggest scam is Disney HD and ABC Family HD. They had NO HD stuff when I checked them tonight, except (ironically) the 700 show on ABC Family with Pat Robertson, the very scary evangelist. But in their defense, they run a LOT of old reruns and cheap programming.

Also, I was hoping the Tour de France was going to be in HD, but Versus HD is broadcasting it in SD.

All in all, i'd say the RIGHT channels are actually in HD, some channels have mostly HD programming but some of it in 720p, and some channels have very limited HD programming, mostly because their lineup has lots of old reruns.

I'd say 70% of channels added today actually have HD content in either 1080i or 720p, and the other 30% i just haven't seen HD stuff. But hey, I don't expect "America's Funniest Home Videos" reruns to be in HD format. :D
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anon @ 10th Jul 01:59AM:
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hey thanks for all the info, yeah if they are broadcasting in 720 or 1080i im satisfied cause its definitely HD, i would prefer 720p but i will be upgrading my box tomorrow!
thanks again
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djrobx @ 10th Jul 01:48PM:
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Any idea about Santa Clarita/Valencia?

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The biggest scam is Disney HD and ABC Family HD. They had NO HD stuff when I checked them tonight, except (ironically) the 700 show on ABC Family with Pat Robertson, the very scary evangelist. But in their defense, they run a LOT of old reruns and cheap programming.

I would rather have the HD channel now, and be ready when the programming comes. Right now it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I know ABC family has a few original shows that are HD (Kyle XY for example).

People say the same thing about Sci Fi HD. When that one show (Galactica!) comes on, I want it in HD, not SD. At that point it doesn't matter that the other 23 hours are usually old SD reruns. Because of the higher bandwidth, the upconverted SD often looks a lot better than the SD equivalent, annyway.

-- Rob
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maartena @ 10th Jul 04:45PM:
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said by djrobx :

I would rather have the HD channel now, and be ready when the programming comes. Right now it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I know ABC family has a few original shows that are HD (Kyle XY for example).

I hear ya. I don't watch Kyle XY, but I (still) love "Whose Line is it Anyways". ABC Family runs a lot of reruns of old shows, like "Full House" and "Americas Funniest...", and just like "Whose Line" none of those were ever recorded in HD.

I did notice a HD program on the disney channel, some cartoon I did not know (I never watch that channel and I have no kids). Yesterday all I saw was some shows probably geared to teenage girls that were all in SD. Hannah Montana was not in HD either, for those who care. ;)

People say the same thing about Sci Fi HD. When that one show (Galactica!) comes on, I want it in HD, not SD. At that point it doesn't matter that the other 23 hours are usually old SD reruns. Because of the higher bandwidth, the upconverted SD often looks a lot better than the SD equivalent, annyway.

Yeah that's true. Unfortunately when a SD show airs on a HD channel you are stuck to the 4:3 box, where on the regular channel I can "stretch" the picture. Some people hate it, I absolutely do not mind and rather watch the SD picture "stretched" so it fills my screen then having to watch the two big black bars on either side of the screen.

So in that sense, having an HD channel with hardly any HD content is a waste really....

That being said, I am fairly impressed with Discovery HD, National Geographic HD, History Channel HD, Food Network HD, HGTV HD, and CNN HD. My wife loves her design shows in full HD. And I was watching that Ice Road Truckers show in HD last night on History Channel. Very nice.

Too bad that channels like Sci-Fi HD always seem to be neglected. Not just by TWC, but Comcast neglected it as well for a long time, and they recently started adding it. I don't think TWC will get it till next year or so, probably right AFTER the last episode of Galactica airs. :(

I understand about needed network upgrades, and the need to run fiber further into the neighborhood (I saw TWC trucks running fiber 2 months ago in my hood, and got a letter from TWC there may be interruptions due to network upgrades) and all that but when you are ready.... don't offer us ABC Family HD with hardly any HD content. Give us USA-HD instead, so we can at least see MOST of the Olympics in HD coming August.

I got a request in to please add USA-HD to the line up for the coming Olympics, even saying I didn't care if they only put it up temporary and replaced another HD channel for just the Olympics.... we'll see. Don't have much hope unfortunately.
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djrobx @ 10th Jul 05:23PM:
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Some people hate it, I absolutely do not mind and rather watch the SD picture "stretched" so it fills my screen then having to watch the two big black bars on either side of the screen.

What's funny is I normally read the opposite complaint: Lots of HD channels air their SD as "stretch-o-vision". That said, I prefer stretching too. My brain can cope with the distortion fine, so use all my screen's real estate, please!

But on that note - most of the SD channels air their HD simulcasted shows with bars on the top and bottom. If I zoom my set to compensate, the result is so blurry it's practically unwatchable!

Judging from the list of channels, getting ABC Family instead of Sci Fi or USA is probably less of a capacity issue, but more the lack of a carriage agreement with NBC/Universal.

-- Rob
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maartena @ 10th Jul 06:17PM:
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said by djrobx :

Judging from the list of channels, getting ABC Family instead of Sci Fi or USA is probably less of a capacity issue, but more the lack of a carriage agreement with NBC/Universal.

-- Rob

You are probably very right. ABC Family, Disney Channel and ESPNNews are all owned by the same parent company, HGTV and Food Network share the same parent company, Discovery and TLC have the same parent company, and so do History Channel and A&E.

USA is NBC owned, just like Bravo HD, CNBC HD, MSNBC HD, etc... Sci-Fi is owned by CBS I believe, so that's a whole different ballgame.

Too bad. I would gladly give up Disney HD, ESPNews HD and ABC Family HD, just to get USA HD for the duration of the Olympics.
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djrobx @ 10th Jul 08:30PM:
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USA is NBC owned, just like Bravo HD, CNBC HD, MSNBC HD, etc... Sci-Fi is owned by CBS I believe, so that's a whole different ballgame.

Nope, Sci Fi is also NBC/Universal. See a pattern here? :)
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maartena @ 11th Jul 01:38AM:
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Yup. A "you can forget it before the Olympics" pattern. :(
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maartena @ 13th Jul 12:57PM:
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I actually got a reply from TWC that they were looking into adding USA-HD, and (wait for it!) that my e-mail was forwarded to management.

We'll see :)
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maartena @ 22nd Jul 04:50PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Just a followup on the USA-HD thing:

I got a reply back from a TWC representative that told me that they were currently talking with USA about adding their HD channel before the Olympics start, but they could not make any promises.

I am however very impressed as of late with the good customer service I have been receiving from TWC, about a year and a half ago their customer service was absolutely horrible in SoCal, but they seem to have improved quite a bit since they took over Adelphia and Comcast networks in the greater LA area.
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anon @ 22nd Jul 08:18PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I'm in SoCal and I don't have the new HD channels yet. I did notice something strange today. A huge grouping of channels in the 800s. Any idea the reasoning behind this? I can tune into a variety of channels (VH1, Food, Discovery, etc) on THREE different numbers, sub 100 level, then in the 200s, then again in the 800s. I have all this but still no new HD?
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anon @ 23rd Jul 03:57PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Those channels were created for the new TWC package called El Paquetazo. Some cities received them earlier in the year but in my area Baldwin Park it looks like I received them today too.
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maartena @ 23rd Jul 07:21PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I know Anaheim doesn't have the channels, I checked at my mother-in-law's house, and she does not have them yet. Anaheim used to be old-Adelphia.

From what I hear the old-Adelphia network was pretty much in shambles, pieced together with tape, and used up to the maximum when TWC took them over in 2006.
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anon @ 23rd Jul 08:54PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Baldwin Park used to be old-Adelphia, I guess it vary by location. I do not know how bad (or good) our network is but we are slowly catching up. I noticed that my uncle who used to have Comcast has on demand that responds quick while I get "one moment please" all the time or either does not work. Any changes TWC makes he gets it first such as HD on demand, he got it a year earlier, which is frustrating having to wait. I have to wait until November 12, 2008 for the additional hd channels. :(
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anon @ 24th Jul 01:11AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by smallmike :

Those channels were created for the new TWC package called El Paquetazo. Some cities received them earlier in the year but in my area Baldwin Park it looks like I received them today too.

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maartena @ 24th Jul 03:34PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by The Vigilante :

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Oh sorry, that pause was my awaiting TWC's announcement of a new package aimed at English speakers.

Well, the SoCal urban area now has more then 50% Spanish speaking people, and the state as a whole has about 40% latinos.

Not real strange you will be seeing an increase in Spanish language channels. I think TWC already offers 95% of available English channels anyways.... just missing a few, like Football Network among others.
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minamelos @ 25th Jul 12:40AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I got the same channels today. I'm in Hacienda Heights.
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anon @ 26th Jul 03:49PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Is it possible that TWC can add the channels before our schedule date, for my area in San Gabriel Valley the schedule date is November 12, 2008. It seems like TWC does not care about losing customer to other providers which offers more hd channels. I pay a lot for 2 hd dvr and yet I am stuck with 21 hd channels and about half of those are cost extra which I do not get.
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maartena @ 27th Jul 12:04AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

MI,

Unfortunately, TWC Southern California has been mis-managed for quite a while.... the networks previously operated by Adelphia were in shambles, the Comcast networks they took over at the same time were not much better, and TWC's own network was just barely being upgraded.

Right now, they are all over the SoCal areas, installing upgraded equipment, running fiber, etc.... I doubt they are able to move up YOUR schedule, without having to drop someone ELSES town at this moment, so I guess that if you want more HD channels, you should switch to DirectTV or Dish.

And hey, if you switch in the next week or so, you may actually get all the Olympics in HD, which TWC customers will NOT get due to no USA HD, no Bravo HD, no MSNBC HD and no CNBC HD, which are (next to NBC HD itself) the channels that they broadcast on.

Bummer. I am seriously considering DirectTV, but I have to convince my landlord to allow me to install a dish directly facing someones back patio (south)....
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anon @ 27th Jul 05:49PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I have not seen TWC installing or working on anything in my city. All I see is Verizon installing thick, long orange cable underground around my neighborhood, hopefully we are getting Fios soon.
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luckykevin @ 27th Jul 06:17PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

twc in north texas same problem systems were mediocre
full to the limit ex:741mhz we were a 750mhz system with no open qams were just now getting channels above 750mhz. we are now 870mhz systems.
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shyguy907 @ 5th Aug 01:11AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

Just a followup on the USA-HD thing:

I got a reply back from a TWC representative that told me that they were currently talking with USA about adding their HD channel before the Olympics start, but they could not make any promises.

I am however very impressed as of late with the good customer service I have been receiving from TWC, about a year and a half ago their customer service was absolutely horrible in SoCal, but they seem to have improved quite a bit since they took over Adelphia and Comcast networks in the greater LA area.

Good news, USA HD will be launched in So Cal along with CNBC HD:

quote:
Beginning August 8, 2008 through August 24, 2008, USA HD and CNBC HD will be available on channel 450 and 451 respectively in all areas. USA HD and CNBC HD will be carried on the same service level as the existing USA and CNBC.

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···rts.html

EDIT: USA HD and CNBC HD are available during the Olympics only.
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maartena @ 5th Aug 02:26AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Very Cool! I am looking forward to these Olympics :)
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rv65 @ 5th Aug 02:31AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC San Diego also has Basketball and Soccer HD in addition to USA HD and CNBC HD.
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minamelos @ 6th Aug 05:52PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Just got off the phone with TW and they said that Hacienda Heights, CA "new" HD channels should launch Nov. 12th.
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aztecnology @ 7th Aug 12:16PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Soccer started yesterday and the replay for the womens team was in HD on Universal HD last night, but TW won't move it to the free HD lineup until tomorrow for the 'official' start of the olympics... :mad:
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sf0d @ 9th Aug 07:06PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Last night and today been having some problems. Last night a program was recorded and there was the blocks with pink and checked white and black going across the screen and only 4 minutes of the channels sound was recorded and the channel (ABC Family) is one of the new HD channels. So I'm hoping its a sign that I maybe getting it tonight, because I saw somewhere about August 9th being a time where they add the channels. Also, my internet is 1/6th the speed and last night it wasn't working.

Anyone else in Temecula/French Valley/Murrieta/Winchester have any problems?
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shyguy907 @ 15th Aug 09:10PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Seems like TWC changed the new HD channels launch dates around for some areas. My area was set for this December but now the launch date is this month, August. Some areas may have the 12 additional HD channels launch early than the previous scheduled date.

TWC So Cal updated their HDTV section:
»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···talCable
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aztecnology @ 21st Aug 12:31PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I called TWC this morning to ask about the new HD channels for my area and was told that we will get some on 9/10, 10/8, and 11/12...
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shyguy907 @ 21st Aug 11:09PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I forgot to add that some former Comcast areas (including my area) are getting the new HD channels next Wednesday (08/27). So I think it was only those former Comcast areas that got their schedule date changed to 08/27.
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rv65 @ 24th Aug 10:11PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Now TWC San Diego has taken down the NBC Olympic channels minus Universal HD. The good news is that more SDV HD channels will happen which is always a good thing except Tivo HD/Series3 and cablecard users.
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aztecnology @ 27th Aug 08:54AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC also took down usahd and cnbchd the second the olympics were over... :huh:
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maartena @ 27th Aug 11:28AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yeah, my guess is that they only negotiated for that period. I don't know what all is involved in those negotiations (seeing the big-ten network negotiations apperantly took over a YEAR), but it would have been nice to at least keep USAHD.

Oh well, maybe next year we'll get some more channels. :D
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aztecnology @ 27th Aug 04:14PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I thought they were going to be added during this phased hd channel line up addition. I was kinda hoping they would leave them up but if they come back in a couple weeks that's cool, just been waiting forever...
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anon @ 7th Sep 04:42PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Just got my bill and got this message in the for your information section:

"We are pleased to announce that we have just launched 12 more FREE HD channels in your area. Stay tuned for more"

with a nickelodeon logo next to it.

i dont see any new channels in my cable lineup, anyone see these new channels ?
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aztecnology @ 7th Sep 11:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by chinoHboy :

Just got my bill and got this message in the for your information section:

"We are pleased to announce that we have just launched 12 more FREE HD channels in your area. Stay tuned for more"

with a nickelodeon logo next to it.

i dont see any new channels in my cable lineup, anyone see these new channels ?

What area are you in...?

No new channels for me at the moment...
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anon @ 8th Sep 12:31AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

im in chino hills
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ignorant @ 8th Sep 02:25PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Chino Hills should have received the 12 new HD channels back in July. Food Network, Discovery, Golf/Vs., HGTV etc.
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maartena @ 8th Sep 03:21PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I wonder when TWC Socal is going to add more channels then the current 12 that they are adding..... by the end of October, the current rollout schedule is done..... but there are at least 30+ more HD channels they can add, like USA HD, SciFi HD, Spike HD, BBC America HD etc.

Have you guys noticed both FIOS and AT&T have started an aggressive ad campaign directed at cable users in the socal area?
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maartena @ 8th Sep 03:23PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

By the way.... they also added "MyTV 13" or KCOP-HD.... but I have yet to see ANY HD programming on it. And the bummer is they have bought the rights to many Angels baseball games, and they are always in non-HD. What's the use of that?

I don't see much HD programming - except a movies sometimes - on ABC Family HD and Disney HD either.
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Anonymous_ @ 8th Sep 06:58PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by MacLeech :

said by Anonymous_ :

now there is FSN-w on 413 in palmdale it was on an "Test screen" for months

but i do not care for such stuff

Blame that on FSN. They only have content on there occasionally. It's the same for any provider carrying that channel.

Here's their schedule for HD programming:
»msn.foxsports.com/name/HD

look's like they added a new hd channel "414 Palla"
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MacLeech @ 8th Sep 07:54PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by Anonymous_ :

said by MacLeech :

said by Anonymous_ :

now there is FSN-w on 413 in palmdale it was on an "Test screen" for months

but i do not care for such stuff

Blame that on FSN. They only have content on there occasionally. It's the same for any provider carrying that channel.

Here's their schedule for HD programming:
»msn.foxsports.com/name/HD

look's like they added a new hd channel "414 Palla"

Not new, MHD was renamed Palladia on Sept. 1st:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHD_(TV_network)
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shyguy907 @ 8th Sep 09:27PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

By the way.... they also added "MyTV 13" or KCOP-HD.... but I have yet to see ANY HD programming on it. And the bummer is they have bought the rights to many Angels baseball games, and they are always in non-HD. What's the use of that?

I don't see much HD programming - except a movies sometimes - on ABC Family HD and Disney HD either.

MyNetworkTV-HD do air most movies in HD on Thursday and Saturday nights. The Twilight Zone is presented in HD and also WWE Friday Night Smackdown! (starts Oct. 3) will be one of the few HD programs. So yeah, not that much HD contents on MyNetworkTV. Its weird they don't air the Angels baseball games in HD.

There was an L.A. Times article back in May 2008 about TWC fewer HD channels in SoCal, mentioned the 12 HD channels we have now (not in all areas yet) and 9 more HD channels by this end of the year. We'll wait and see.
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aztecnology @ 9th Sep 03:11PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC is such a joke. I'm probably going to switch to one of the sat companies before the end of the year. I'd rather have a lot of HD channels regardless of the quality...
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mrbigbri @ 9th Sep 04:16PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

"Why shouldn't I believe it?"

Because they like to lie to you.

The rep I just spoke with says Corona is down for Sept 16th... We'll see now, won't we.
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SoCalDude @ 9th Sep 07:22PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Can someone confirm that OXNARD is set for Sep 10th? Thats what a rep told me.
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ignorant @ 9th Sep 07:57PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Oxnard is set for 9/16/08.
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aztecnology @ 10th Sep 05:16PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by aztecnology :

I called TWC this morning to ask about the new HD channels for my area and was told that we will get some on 9/10, 10/8, and 11/12...

nothing to see here, move along...
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ignorant @ 10th Sep 05:45PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Part of Murrieta got the channels on 8/13/08, the rest should be getting them on 9/16/08.
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aztecnology @ 10th Sep 06:57PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by ignorant :

Part of Murrieta got the channels on 8/13/08, the rest should be getting them on 9/16/08.

lol, which part...? I wish I could confirm, but everyone else i know has sat or fios...
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MacLeech @ 10th Sep 07:20PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by aztecnology :

said by ignorant :

Part of Murrieta got the channels on 8/13/08, the rest should be getting them on 9/16/08.

lol, which part...? I wish I could confirm, but everyone else i know has sat or fios...

If you didn't get the 12 HDs release to part of Murrieta and several other locations on 8/13, you should get them on 9/16. KCOP (myTV) HD may be added then too, although it's schedule is somewhat independent of the other 12.

Above channel list pic from here:
»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···talCable

Anonymous_ @ 10th Sep 08:33PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

"Adding New HD Channels all the Time!"

definition of: "all the Time!"

1. all the time - without respite; "he plays chess day in and day out"

i take it as they are

adding HD channels

"24 hours a day, 7 days a week"
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SoCalDude @ 15th Sep 03:51PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Does anybody get the new HD channels tomorrow ???
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Phil @ 15th Sep 05:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by SoCalDude :

Does anybody get the new HD channels tomorrow ???

That's what other posts in this thread seem to indicate. We'll see.
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DslrMark @ 15th Sep 06:52PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Just got lots of HD Channels FAMHD CNNHD TLCHD but none of them is showing Pictures.
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maartena @ 15th Sep 07:11PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by DslrMark :

Just got lots of HD Channels FAMHD CNNHD TLCHD but none of them is showing Pictures.

Yeah that's the ones everyone is getting. They will show pictures soon.
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DslrMark @ 15th Sep 10:40PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Still nothing how soon is soon?
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gvmetchikian @ 15th Sep 10:58PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

My area in Cangoa Park has been on the list for July, August, then September and it's now on the October list. I won't be surprised if it gets bumped again. This is a legacy TWC area and was always pretty good on service but its slowly turning into the same as everywhere else. We'll see how big the November list grows to soon I'm sure...
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mrbigbri @ 16th Sep 03:44PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Corona went live this morning with the 12 new channels. Compared to DirecTV, it's kind of under-whelming.

HOWEVER, for the past few days I've been unable to tune-in HDNET. Anyone else???

Man, they can't get anything right.
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DslrMark @ 16th Sep 03:48PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I think HDNET is on a different tear.
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mrbigbri @ 16th Sep 06:59PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

"I think HDNET is on a different tear."

It is on a different tier, and I subscribe to it.

I've enjoyed HDNET for the past couple years since the TW switch, now it's gone.
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maartena @ 16th Sep 07:12PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

HDNet is on the HD-Tier indeed, it has 4 "premium" HD channels. I loved HDNet during the Olympics as it showed the stuff that was on MSNBC and CNBC in HD :)

As for DirectTV, the only way you are going to get the same HD offerings as DirectTV is.... well.... to switch to DirectTV.
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Phil @ 17th Sep 02:12PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I now have the new HD channels. I'm in Camarillo, CA.
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aztecnology @ 18th Sep 12:59PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I came back from vacation last night to find out that I finally have the new HD channels as well...
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anon @ 18th Sep 04:25PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Does anyone know why TWC hasnt added telemundo52 HD (Channel 21 in Chino HIlls) to their line up ?, They seem to add all english stations that are going digital for example my13 that just when on few weeks ago. Telemundo has been digital for a while, Im still waiting to be added.
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anon @ 18th Sep 06:53PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I use a TiVo Series 3 and last week I got notification that all the channels were finally added to my area from TiVo. I live in Claremont at the moment, and I've waited what feels like a week and they still aren't active. I checked the TWC website and it says that my city already has the new channels. The TWC rep I got on the phone spent 20 minutes trying to convince me that I already have them (despite the fact that they don't show up on the TiVo or the HD Box in the other room). I guess the question is, when should I expect the switch to be flipped so that I can see these new channels?
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socalguy @ 20th Sep 12:46AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I can also confirm new HD channels (Torrance). Wow! I just noticed them tonight while flipping through! Caught me by surprise... :D
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socalguy @ 21st Sep 04:34PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

New setup in Redondo Beach as of today and no new HD channels to be found. Install tech told me he had no knowledge of when they would be added. I hope soon. :(

(another downside also. Channels seem much more compressed here than when I was in Torrance)
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maartena @ 3rd Oct 07:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I am still hoping USAHD will come back as a permanent station, and then add SciFi HD, FX HD, Real FOX Sport HD on its own channel, and Bravo HD....

Probably not gonna happen anytime soon, but one can hope. :)
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lightning10 @ 4th Oct 09:13PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

My friend is in Whittier sadly and he isn't going to get the new stations in November. He had heard that he was going to get them back in September but he didnt. Timewarmer everything is bad over here. Everything from static on his phone from them. To slow internet.
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socalguy @ 5th Oct 01:06AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Well, I'm hoping to get them by the end of the year. Considering that the city next to me (Torrance) which is a block away from where I'm at already has them. I was able to enjoy them for one night at my old place before I moved (sigh). :huh:
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darbacour @ 6th Oct 03:18AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

What is not mentioned is Time Warner's shame:

C1R, ZeeTV, CCTV-4, ART, TV Asia, RAI, TVK1, and ETTV will be launched in areas where these networks are currently not available. These networks will be available as a premium service except TVK1, which will be available on Choice Tier.

El Paquetazo package and El Paquetazo Dos tier will be launched in areas where currently not available. El Paquetazo package will be available for $34.95 per month, plus equipment and included in this package are Broadcast Basic services, Espanol tier services, El Paquetazo Dos Tier services, and selected English networks. El Paquetazo Dos tier is also available ala carte for $5 per month with subscription to Nuestra Tele Paquete.

The following services will be launched on El Paquetazo Dos tier: AYM Sports 857, Caracol International 821, Cine Mexicano 836 (not available in some areas), Ecuavisa Internacional 819, Latele Novela 845 (not available in some areas), Latinoamerica TV 818, Sur Mexico 809, TV Colombia 822 (not available in some areas), and TV Chile 820 (not available in some areas).

The following services will be launched on Espanol Tier: Bandamax 840, De Pelicula 832, and De Pelicula Clasico 833, Discovery Familia 852.

The following services will become available on an additional channel numbers: KVEA 803, KAZA 804, Galavision 805, Mexico 22 806, CBTV Michoacan 807, Once Mexico 808, TVE Internacional 811 (not available in some areas), Sur 816 (not available in some areas), CNN En Espanol 828, The History Channel En Espanol 829 (not available in some areas), Discovery En Espanol 830, Cine Latino 834, Infinito 835, HTV 838, Video Rola 839, SiTV 842, Mun2 843 (not available in some areas), Utilisima 844, Cartoon Network (SAP) 847 (not available in Artesia and Claremont), Boomerang (SAP) 848, Toon Disney en SAP 849, Sorpresa 850, V-me 851, La Familia Cosmovision 853, EWTN Espanol 854, GolTV 856 (not available in some areas), Fox Sports En Espanol 859, and ESPN Deportes 860. These services will continue to be available on their existing channel number and service level.

Evidently, bandwidth is No Problemo for TW except when it comes to English-language programming. I advocate that customers unhappy with the HD selection bear this in mind.

SOOOOOO Glad to see all the illegals getting Hi-def... while TW BSes all us annoying Americans about just WHEN they might actually offer Hi-Def for us native English-speaking American s.
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MacLeech @ 6th Oct 04:14AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by darbacour :

Glad to see all the illegals getting Hi-def... while TW BSes all us annoying Americans about just WHEN they might actually offer Hi-Def for us native English-speaking American s.

Look again. NONE of those non English channels are HD.

The dozen HD channels TWC launched to many of it's SoCal systems in the last couple months take up more bandwidth then all of those non English channels combined and there's more HD coming.
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maartena @ 6th Oct 03:20PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by darbacour :

SOOOOOO Glad to see all the illegals getting Hi-def... while TW BSes all us annoying Americans about just WHEN they might actually offer Hi-Def for us native English-speaking Americans.

1) None of the channels mentioned are high-definition. I don't know how Socal is setup, but from what I remember you can put about 4 or 5 SD channels in the same bandwidth as 1 HD channel.

2) Half of the channels mentioned there are already provided, they are just also offering them on a different set of channel numbers. Eventually, they will consolidate them across the board so that they are the same for everyone.

3) California has a population of 38 million, of which roughly 40% are Spanish speaking, or about 16 million. The current estimate is that only about 2 million of those are illegal (12 million in the entire USA, with California having the most), and the chances that they actually pay for digital cable are pretty slim, most of them can't even sign up because of no SSN, and most of them can't afford it.

4) For your information, the majority of Spanish speaking people in California are actually U.S. citizens, and have been born here. The fact that they do not speak English, does not automatically disqualify them as Americans by law. The U.S. Constitution does not provide for a national language either, we simply don't have an official language. The founding fathers of this country simply thought that there should be a universal language to govern - which is English - but that the personal liberties of each individual should contain the right to speak whatever language one pleases to speak. And thus it is an issue left up to the states. Some states have English as their official state language, most states don't.
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anon @ 7th Oct 12:41AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Absolutely correct. Again, I advocate that current and potential customers bear this in mind when considering their in-home entertainment purchases. In my opinion, the TW corporate lackeys who promote this service and pander to people who have no business being here in the first instance should be charged with aiding and abetting an invading enemy in the US.
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maartena @ 7th Oct 01:19PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by The Vigilante :

I always knew there were people that were pretty short-sighted, but that it was THIS bad.... I had no idea! Over 95% of Hispanics in California are here completely legal, and more then half of latinos are born and raised here as Americans.

They don't speak English, but that was the Founding Fathers fault, for not having the government force a language on us, but letting our own liberty decide what we speak. That doesn't make them any less American though.

Again: Most of those channels were already there, they are just being moved around to different channel numbers. And is it really that bad to offer about 15% Spanish language channels in a state where over 40% speaks Spanish as their first language?
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maartena @ 7th Oct 01:22PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Back on topic:

"Due to circumstances beyond our control, MOJO, currently carried on channel 422, will cease operations on December 1, 2008."

That's one HD channel LESS in the HD Package.... I pay for those channels actually. I wonder if they are going to replace it with something better. I love HDNet and Universal HD though, they got some great stuff going on.
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Anonymous_ @ 7th Oct 03:01PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by The Vigilante :

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shyguy907 @ 8th Oct 08:00PM:
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I think TWC should stop adding more HD channels and fix their picture quality and compression.
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dkrach @ 18th Oct 02:15AM:
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Time Warner's webpage used to list areas being upgraded with the new HD channels in September, some in October, and some (mine-Newport Beach) in November. Now there is no mention of anything in November, and no mention of Newport Beach. Did something happen?
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ignorant @ 18th Oct 01:15PM:
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It's been put on hold for a bit, while they work on some encoding issues.
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Steve Mehs @ 18th Oct 04:23PM:
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quote:
"Due to circumstances beyond our control, MOJO, currently carried on channel 422, will cease operations on December 1, 2008."

That's one HD channel LESS in the HD Package.... I pay for those channels actually. I wonder if they are going to replace it with something better. I love HDNet and Universal HD though, they got some great stuff going on.

The InHDs/Mojo HD were never a part of the HD Tier here, they were always free, but it looks like the latest addition to the HD Tier is MGM HD.

Here's it's $4.95 from HD Net, HD Net Movies, Universal HD and now MGM HD. If TW ever gets contracts with Smithsonian HD and Wealth HD I'd expect them to go in the HD Tier as well.
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dkrach @ 18th Oct 07:02PM:
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Had a tech out fixing a signal issue, of course had to try to get some info out of him while he was there. He said they just had a meeting and were told 80 HD channels throughout SoCal by the end of the year. He was as skeptical as I was, but something to look forward too. He also mentioned TW will be trimming its analog channels to only about 30, freeing up a lot of bandwidth.
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rv65 @ 19th Oct 12:31AM:
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San Diego is planning on cutting back analog to the limited basic tier. The lifeline tier will stay analog while the rest will go digital. I'm sure they may use the terapix or just get those DTA adapters. Same with SoCAL.
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MacLeech @ 19th Oct 01:03AM:
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said by rv65 :

San Diego is planning on cutting back analog to the limited basic tier. The lifeline tier will stay analog while the rest will go digital.

This has already been done in many of the ex Comcast systems TWC inherited in SoCal.
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rv65 @ 19th Oct 02:54PM:
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My sources say it won't happen until 2009. More like in February. They must be looking at DTA's or giving customers a discount on boxes. TWC San Diego also acquired an Adelphia system in a northern part of the county. Cox hasn't gone SDV in the San Diego DMA yet Time Warner has in Non Adelphia area. It's my understanding that new HD channels and possibly new SD channels will be added via SDV.
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rv65 @ 19th Oct 02:58PM:
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The plan is to have about 22 to 23 Analogs and up to 50 of them will go digital. This will give them a ton of room. I don't see San Diego getting 80 HD channels. Maybe more like 60. Bob Barlow the new President of TWCSD says there is still more channels. He wants a total of 10 to 15 new HD channels added by the end of the year. 2 of the Ex Adelphia HD channels TLC and Animal Planet HD were added. Food Network and HGTV HD have yet to have been added. They added Disney HD and Science HD. I have a feeling that more will be added. Employees are testing a facelifted Navigator IPG and they also are testing more HD channels.
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anon @ 19th Oct 05:36PM:
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I seriously doubt TWC is going to have 80 HD channels throughout Socal, in my area I still haven't received the original 12 HD channels. I have about 22 HD channels and TWC would have to add over 50 HD channels in the next to 2 months unless you are talking about San Diego.
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dkrach @ 19th Oct 11:25PM:
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The tech also mentioned SDV will initially only be deployed on the least frequently watched channels, and then expand it out from there.

In my area we haven't gotten a new HD channel since TBS, so I have my doubts as well.
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rv65 @ 20th Oct 12:05AM:
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San Diego still has More HD to go. Bob Barlow seems very determined. His new VP of Customer Care is quite a hard charger. San Diego is a separate network than SoCal. San Diego uses Cisco equipment while the ex Adelphia are Motorola with iGuide. No word on when Navigator gets ported to Motorola. TWC San Diego is already using SDV on 7 HD and a whole slew of SD channels. Mostly ethnic, east coast movie channel feeds and latino package. V-Me isn't SDV since our PBS station has it as a subchannel. No word on MTV tr3s. The Premium HD tier aka HD VIP tier is SDV. Hopefully TWC will make the people north us get more HD channels. Maybe San Diego will have more HD than socal even though our DMA is much smaller.
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anon @ 20th Oct 12:42PM:
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no motorola areas are never getting navigator they will use newer versions of the i-guide.

Im gettting caller id on the i-guide in dallas by the end of the year.
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maartena @ 20th Oct 03:10PM:
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said by Steve Mehs :

The InHDs/Mojo HD were never a part of the HD Tier here, they were always free, but it looks like the latest addition to the HD Tier is MGM HD.

Here's it's $4.95 from HD Net, HD Net Movies, Universal HD and now MGM HD. If TW ever gets contracts with Smithsonian HD and Wealth HD I'd expect them to go in the HD Tier as well.

Here in SoCal MOJO HD was part of the HD-Tier, along with HD Net, HD Net Movies, and Universal HD. So in essence, the HD-Tier is going from 4 to 3 channels.

I have not heard of any additions to the HD-Tier, such as the channels you mentioned.
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maartena @ 20th Oct 03:14PM:
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said by MikeA :

I seriously doubt TWC is going to have 80 HD channels throughout Socal, in my area I still haven't received the original 12 HD channels. I have about 22 HD channels and TWC would have to add over 50 HD channels in the next to 2 months unless you are talking about San Diego.

Whether they are capable or not, it is good to note that out of the "80 channels" they promised, and the same goes for the "100 channels by end of year" from DirecTV, that a great portion of those are Premium channels, such as 6 or 7 HD versions of HBO which has 10 channels now, and likewise for Showtime, Starz, etc. That could easily add up to 30 to 40 HD channels for which a premium subscription is required.

Now I already have HBO (only HBO) from the premium tiers, so i will welcome the HD versions of those.... But I just wanted to warn you that "80 HD channels" does not mean they will add HD channels of 80 network or cable TV networks, they do include the premiums as well.
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rv65 @ 20th Oct 04:36PM:
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It will probably be MGM HD.
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anon @ 20th Oct 07:23PM:
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I don't believe TWC ever promised to add 80 HD channels. TWC has still not finish upgrading the network and to add some if not all those channels they need to launch SDV or reclaim bandwidth by removing analog channels. In my area we still use Motorola boxes so I think SDV is still a long way off.
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rv65 @ 21st Oct 01:49AM:
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SDV requires a later version of iGuide. A25 has the code but it might be until A28. San Diego is Cisco except for the ex Adelphia areas. They have yet to start reclaiming more analog. Cisco areas in San Diego are getting a facelifted version of Navigator. It will have a better look for those with Eye issues. For those people who have a difficulty seeing the blue layout should be find it much easier to read. It's not all blue. It has some green/black color and things are highlighted in yellow. Thats if Yellow doesn't cause eyestrain.
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maartena @ 21st Oct 10:49AM:
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Update:

Beginning November 19, 2008, through February 2009, Animal Planet HD 451, Travel Channel 452 HD, Planet Green HD 453, The Weather Channel HD 454, FX HD 456, Bio HD 457, Science Channel HD 460, Toon Disney HD 461, Cartoon Network HD 462, Fox News HD 465, Fox Business Network HD 466, ESPNU HD 467, Speed HD 468, NBATV HD 470, NHL Network HD 471, The Tennis Channel HD 473, Lifetime Movie Network HD 475, Hallmark Movie Channel HD 476, HBO East HD 481, Cinemax East HD 482, Showtime East HD 483, The Movie Channel West HD 484, Starz East HD 485, INDemand Sports HD 1 732, and INDemand Sports HD 2 733; will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in: Artesia, Athens, Baldwin Hills, Bell Gardens, Bell, Bellflower, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Carson, Claremont, Compton, Corona, Covina, Cudahy, Culver City, Downey, El Cerito, Glen Ivy, Harbor, Hawaiian Gardens, Hollywood, Homeland, Horsethief Canyon, Inglewood, La Mirada, La Palma, Ladera Heights, Lake Elsinore, Lakewood, Lennox, Lomita, Lynwood, Maywood, Menifee, Murrieta Hot Springs, Paramount, parts of Costa Mesa, parts of Cypress, parts of Los Angeles, parts of Murrieta, Playa Del Rey, Playa Vista, Pomona, Riverside County, Romoland, San Pedro, Santa Fe Springs, South El Monte, South Los Angeles, The Farm, Tustin, parts of West LA, Westchester, Wild Rose, Wilmington, and Wilshire.

No mention of Orange :(
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MacLeech @ 21st Oct 11:41AM:
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said by maartena :

Beginning November 19, 2008, through February 2009

Animal Planet HD 451
Travel Channel 452 HD
Planet Green HD 453
The Weather Channel HD 454
FX HD 456
Bio HD 457
Science Channel HD 460
Toon Disney HD 461
Cartoon Network HD 462
Fox News HD 465
Fox Business Network HD 466
ESPNU HD 467
Speed HD 468
NBATV HD 470
NHL Network HD 471
The Tennis Channel HD 473
Lifetime Movie Network HD 475
Hallmark Movie Channel HD 476
HBO East HD 481
Cinemax East HD 482
Showtime East HD 483
The Movie Channel West HD 484
Starz East HD 485
INDemand Sports HD 1 732
INDemand Sports HD 2 733

will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in:

Artesia
Athens
Baldwin Hills
Bell Gardens
Bell
Bellflower
California Oaks
Canyon Lake
Carson
Claremont
Compton
Corona
Covina
Cudahy
Culver City
Downey
El Cerito
Glen Ivy
Harbor
Hawaiian Gardens
Hollywood
Homeland
Horsethief Canyon
Inglewood
La Mirada
La Palma
Ladera Heights
Lake Elsinore
Lakewood
Lennox
Lomita
Lynwood
Maywood
Menifee
Murrieta Hot Springs
Paramount
parts of Costa Mesa
parts of Cypress
parts of Los Angeles
parts of Murrieta
Playa Del Rey
Playa Vista
Pomona
Riverside County
Romoland
San Pedro
Santa Fe Springs
South El Monte
South Los Angeles
The Farm
Tustin
parts of West LA
Westchester
Wild Rose
Wilmington
Wilshire

Reformatted the list to make it easier to read.

You'll notice the MAJORITY of those areas are ex-Comcast areas.
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maartena @ 21st Oct 12:23PM:
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Haha thanks :)

Yeah from what I understand Time Warner's network was "decent", Conmcast's network was "good", and Adelphia's network was an "utter disaster".

And TWC had to patch em all together. ;)

Ah well, Orange was one of the very first to get the first 12 HD channels, I'm sure we'll get em soon enough. Too bad no SciFi Channel or BRAVO.

One interesting note: The above message states "beginning November 19th", but 5 channels spaces still need to be moved:

"Effective November 25, 2008, CRN 1-6 will be moving from channel 460-465, to channel 971-976."

So let's assume for the moment it actually begins to roll out after November 25th, as the channels listed below will use 460-465.

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dkrach @ 21st Oct 10:00PM:
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Newport Beach used to be on that list for November. I guess being ex-Adelphia it's too poor a network to even promise a date.
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MacLeech @ 21st Oct 11:10PM:
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Adelphia's network wasn't an "utter disaster", it just wasn't as homogeneous as Comcast's network since Adelphia took over 13 different SoCal cable providers in 2000. Adelphia also didn't have the draconian policy requiring cable boxes for customers wanting any service above broadcast basic.

The box requirement, in ex-Comcast areas, alone allows for easy digital channel upgrades (dropping analog) for everything above about channel 36 or so. 40 less analog channels (compared to systems with 78 analog channels) available for digital expansion with just a box swap (analog to digital) in the customer's home is a no-brainer upgrade.

ex-Adelphia areas have a much harder time weening analog customers with 78 channels direct to set off and issuing boxes to all of them, so they've been expanding capacity in other ways.

The HD upgrades listed on the website involved ALOT more then just adding the HD channels and have caused a few problems with digital picture quality, so the schedule was slowed a bit to concentrate more resources on resolving the problems with the new setup.
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shyguy907 @ 22nd Oct 03:07PM:
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I don't know if TWC shutoff the analog channels in my area. I have a TV in my room and its hooked directly from the wall outlet. The analog channels are blank or no signal except for the local channels, WGN, CSPAN and the city channel. Been out since Summer. I couldn't watch those basic cable channels anyways since its was scrambled and needed a analog cable box.
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maartena @ 22nd Oct 03:44PM:
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I don't think they can - at least not yet - legally shut off the "broadcast" basic channels, which is usually the first 25 to 30 channels or so. The rest, are considered "cable" channels and I think TWC can move them to digital and/or SDV any time they want to and ask you to get a box.

So you should still be able to get at least the first 25 or so channels on your TV for a while longer to come. I doubt they will actually shut those off for a VERY long time... at least not 80% or more of the TV can receive them without a box.
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ignorant @ 22nd Oct 06:45PM:
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In the old Comcast areas, the Analog channels that needed a box (the channels of 32) have been switched to digital to free up bandwidth.
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maartena @ 22nd Oct 07:50PM:
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Got an email from TWC this afternoon on a question I posed.... it was mostly copy/pasted stuff, but this was interesting:

"By the 1st quarter of 2009 we plan on being able to provide 70 HD channels in all of our Southern California markets. Additionally, by the end of 2009 we plan on adding to that, as our goal is to provide up to 120 channels in HD. We appreciate your patience while agreements with other networks are being made."

70 by 1st quarter-end 2009. Nice.

Obviously I did see the "up to" 120 channels, so we'll probably get 112 or so, and then they ran out. :P
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rv65 @ 22nd Oct 10:14PM:
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Let's hope San Diego gets some more channels. Now San Diego is also getting some cool new features like Start Over, Quick Clips, and Look back. Supposedly some significant new features are in development for the Navigator platform. Then again San Diego uses SA/Cisco and not Motorola.
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Mad Mac @ 23rd Oct 02:02AM:
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said by MacLeech :

Adelphia's network wasn't an "utter disaster", it just wasn't as homogeneous as Comcast's network since Adelphia took over 13 different SoCal cable providers in 2000.

Correct - for example, in Ventura County alone we had:

Jones Intercable (Oxnard)
GTE Americast (Oxnard, Camarillo, Thousand Oaks and possibly other places) - I believe the GTE system was the only "digital" provider.
TCI (Camarillo)
Comcast (Simi Valley)

It's like trying to make the pieces from umpteen jigsaw puzzles fit into one.

Adelphia stepped up in my area and provided internet when AT&T weren't interested in doing so. Full credit to them for that.
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gvmetchikian @ 23rd Oct 04:09PM:
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Well we got the 13 channels promised back in July showing up today in the Canoga Park area. Their schedule originally showed us getting them during the summer and this area kept getting pushed back. The TWC website still shows us available in October. Seems to be the last group of upgrades in the area. I won't be holding my breath for the next batch.
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lightning10 @ 24th Oct 03:17PM:
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NO WHITTIER?!?! My friend will be pissed. He hasnt even got the first upgrade.
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shyguy907 @ 26th Oct 12:50AM:
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SDV in SoCal
»www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/Pr···ult.html

Its not active right but probably next month when those new HD channels roll out to those cities listed?
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djrobx @ 27th Oct 12:17PM:
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quote:
The HD upgrades listed on the website involved ALOT more then just adding the HD channels and have caused a few problems with digital picture quality, so the schedule was slowed a bit to concentrate more resources on resolving the problems with the new setup.

Santa Clarita and Tujunga are former Comcast areas, but we're not even on their radar for this next round, and I think Santa Clarita was near the absolute last to get the last round of upgrades.

The upgrades have made the HD picture horrible. It used to be pristine. Now there's frequent loss of composure (discoloration and pixelization) at scene changes. It's now far worse than U-verse's ultra-compressed MPEG-4 feed. It also has a strange side-effect on the 6412 DVR: The fast forward speeds are goofed up. The second press of the FF button barely moves, but the third now moves way too fast.

And of course, there's still no mention of Sci Fi HD. :(
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erpster797 @ 27th Oct 05:56PM:
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My family and I got Comcast digital cable back in May 2006 and then in August of that year it was switched to Time Warner. My brother bought a Sony Bravia HDTV in early February 2008 at Best Buy and upgraded to Time Warner HD after talking to a TWC representative at Best Buy. sweet!

My cousin who lives in Rowland Heights used to have Adelphia cable but now has TWC. Since Rowland Heights is not on the list for new HD channels he might have to wait until next year for them to come.

Nice to hear a bunch of new HD channels are coming to TWC Socal next month. I'll let my brother know about this.

btw - my family and I live in the Wilshire district of LA
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videonex @ 27th Oct 05:57PM:
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All this talk about who had the system b4 TWC is even bogus. TWC got my system (in Fullerton) from Adelphia, but Adelphia got it from Comcast. About 5 or 6 years before Adelphia acquired this system from Comcast, Comcast had done a very big rebuild of the system to increase bandwidth and replace the main infrastructure with fiber. However, in just the past 60 days, TWC has been replacing line amps throughout the city to allow for wider bandwith in the last mile! Overall this system ran very well under Adelphia. A big part of that was due to the upgrades Comcast had done during their tenure. But we still have been pushed back from getting the new HDs this month to who knows when?
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rv65 @ 31st Oct 03:32PM:
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Even the ex Adelphia areas in San Diego seem to have more HD channels. Same with the Cisco powered San Diego area.
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dkrach @ 7th Nov 08:39PM:
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Looks like Time Warner updated their website with some new dates. My area is now listed as December, not too bad, only pushed out a month from the last date up there. Trying to be optimistic that there won't be any further delays....

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···talCable
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maartena @ 8th Nov 12:05AM:
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Well look at it this way: They were going to add the channels "through february 2009", and it seems that they are finishing early in december 2008. :)

They'll actually start launching the next phase of HD channels by the end of this month.
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anon @ 8th Nov 02:15AM:
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i wonder if they can catch up to verizons 100 hd channels
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rv65 @ 8th Nov 01:41PM:
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Yes if they get rid of the Analog channels then yes it would be very easy to add 100+ HD channels.
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maartena @ 9th Nov 12:47PM:
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From what I heard, TWC here in Socal is intending to offer at least 70 HD channels by the end of 2009. After that, they are going to have to start getting rid of analog in order to free up more space.

On another note, Anaheim got the first wave of channels last week, and they were moved from "November" to "Available Now".
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rv65 @ 10th Nov 03:31AM:
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I have heard of the San Diego rumor where expanded basic would go digital in February.
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videonex @ 11th Nov 11:35AM:
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The new HDs arrived today 11/11 in Fullerton. The cable nets all look great with good clean streams and pic quality. However in the process of adding KCOP it looks like they screwed up big time in a portion of the spectrum. Beginning with KABC on 407 and continuing through every channel through KCET on 412 they are experiencing extreme breakup and tiling. So this affects KABC-407, KOCE-408, KCAL-409, KCOP-410, KTTV-411 and KCET-412. They are all unwatchable at this time.
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rv65 @ 11th Nov 09:35PM:
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In NY/NJ they have around 100 HD thanks to new adds. TWC is also experimenting with networks that less analogs to allow for even more HD channels. TWC could be all digital by the end of 2010 but who knows.
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anon @ 12th Nov 03:58AM:
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said by rv65 :

In NY/NJ they have around 100 HD thanks to new adds. TWC is also experimenting with networks that less analogs to allow for even more HD channels. TWC could be all digital by the end of 2010 but who knows.

yes but the all important manhattan still only has 30 hd channels....sad
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videonex @ 12th Nov 02:31PM:
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Update, the troublesome channels were all running fine agian by late afternoon after being in turmoil the morning the new channels were added.
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rv65 @ 12th Nov 11:06PM:
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My sources tell me that Manhattan will get more HD channels. They are working on upgrading that network. That network is the oldest network in the area and they should have it fully upgraded within a couple of weeks. May take longer but they are trying to get it done asap.
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anon @ 13th Nov 11:36PM:
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I'm I missing something or is TWC not adding Scifi to the HD line-up even after the deployment of SDV?
Why don't they delay The Weather Channel HD, The Tennis Channel HD, Fox Business Network HD and add some channels people actually watch?
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hobgoblin @ 17th Nov 12:53PM:
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said by sullyfoo :

I'm I missing something or is TWC not adding Scifi to the HD line-up even after the deployment of SDV?
Why don't they delay The Weather Channel HD, The Tennis Channel HD, Fox Business Network HD and add some channels people actually watch?

Do you mean "channels that YOU watch"?

People watch all those channels. Often its contractual discussions that hold up roll outs of channels.

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maartena @ 17th Nov 01:50PM:
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I want SciFi HD too, but it really depends on the agreement they can make with SciFi channel. TWC wants to add the HD version of a channel you already pay for for free, and not all channels agree with that philosophy. It may be a little harder to strike a deal with SciFi HD.

Tennis Channel is pretty popular among my family/friends by the way, they watch all the US Open and Wimbledon stuff.
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anon @ 17th Nov 02:45PM:
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If by people you mean you and your boyfriend and by contractual discussions you mean TWC once again miss an opportunity to satisfy its customers then I stand corrected.
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hobgoblin @ 17th Nov 03:00PM:
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said by mikieargmailcom :

If by people you mean you and your boyfriend and by contractual discussions you mean TWC once again miss an opportunity to satisfy its customers then I stand corrected.

Ha Ha.

While you may be a scifi buff there are many who also enjoy tennis and the weather. Contractual discussions means fixing a price that is fair to both sides. This forum howls its disgust every time prices go up.

Hob
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anon @ 17th Nov 03:10PM:
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It is agreed we do tend to howl when the prices go up.
Hey, I'm just happy we finally got the History, NGC and Discovery channel in HD.
I'm a happy camper right now.
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hobgoblin @ 17th Nov 03:14PM:
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Here in Buffalo we have gone from 15 HD Channels to 56, yest still people complain they don't have world championship Topless Trampolining HD.

Hob
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maartena @ 17th Nov 03:25PM:
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said by hobgoblin :

Here in Buffalo we have gone from 15 HD Channels to 56, yest still people complain they don't have world championship Topless Trampolining HD.

Then again, they can have Fox Business HD, Weather Channel HD, and Tennis Channel HD back if they give me the Topless Trampolining HD channel. :D :D :D
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mckenna797 @ 17th Nov 03:32PM:
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twc of nyc
Effective November 19th: In Manhattan: We will add additional channel positions for the following premium services: HBO HD will now appear only on 780 and 651, Cinemax HD on 776 and 658, Starz HD on 777 and676, and Showtime HD will now appear on 779 and 666.

Effective December 8th: In Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens: Prayer Channel on 97 will be renamed The NET.

Effective December 17th: In Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and Mt. Vernon We will launch Crossings TV on channel 503 for digital tier customers; Discovery Familia on 870, Cine Mexicano on 871, TV Colombia on 872 and Latele Novela on 873 for DTV en Español customers; NBA TV HD on 461 to HD Xtra customers and TEAM HD on 411 to NBA League Pass customers. VS/Golf HD on 794 will change to VS HD.

In Manhattan: HBO HD will now appear only on 651, Cinemax HD on 658, Starz HD on 676, and Showtime HD will now only appear on 666. In Manhattan and Mount Vernon: We will launch HD Movies on Demand on 700 which will be available on the following set-top boxes: Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC. In Brooklyn and Queens: We will launch the previously announced Korean Christian Television on ch. 533. In Northern Manhattan/Brooklyn/Queens: We will launch Golf HD on 779, Crime and Investigation HD on 686, Africa Channel HD on 787, TV One HD on 790, G4HD on 692, MGM HD on 796, Chiller HD on 684, Sleuth HD on 685, Style HD on 689, Fuse HD on 691, Nick HD on 706, Lifetime HD on 712, CNBC HD on 715, USA HD on 716, SciFi HD on 717, Bravo HD on 718, E! HD on 724, QVC HD on 733, Spike HD on 736, HSN HD on 739.

Additionally, in Northern Manhattan we will launch Tennis HD on 465, Big Ten Network HD on 472, CBS College Sports on 467, HBO2 HD on 652, HBO Signature HD on 653, HBO Family HD on 654, HBO Comedy HD on 655, HBO Zone HD on 656, HBO Latino HD on 657, More Max HD on 659, Action Max HD on 660, Thriller Max HD on 661, WMAX HD on 662, @MAX HD on 663, FiveStar Max on 664, Outer Max HD on 665, Sho 2 HD on 667, Showcase HD on 668, Sho Extreme HD on 669, TMC HD on 674, TMC Xtra HD on 675, Starz Edge HD on 677, Starz Kids & Family HD on 678, Starz Comedy HD on 681, Encore HD on 682, NY1 HD on 701, Palladia HD on 720, Cartoon HD on 722, FX HD on 737, ABC Family HD on 738, History HD on 740, Fox Business News HD on 743, Fox News HD on 744, A&E HD on 746, Disney HD on 749, Learning Channel HD on 752, Toon Disney HD on 760, Lifetime Movie Network HD on 762, Biography HD on 763, Discovery HD on 766, Planet Green HD on 768, Weather Channel HD on 772, Speed HD on 774, Science Channel HD on 775, Travel Channel HD on 788, ESPN News HD on 792, ESPN U HD on 793; Game HD on 791 & 445 for MLB an NHL package customers and NHL Network on 795 for Sports Tier and NHL package customers

In Mount Vernon: Universal HD will move from ch. 734 to 718. We will also launch Ovation on 83, Crime & Investigation HD on 686, G4HD on 692, Golf HD on 779, Africa Channel HD on 787, TV One HD on 790, MGM HD on 796, Chiller HD on 684, Sleuth HD on 685, Style HD on 689, Fuse HD on 691, QVC HD on 724, CNBC HD on 733, Spike HD on 734, Nick HD on 739, E! HD on 741, USA HD on 742, Lifetime HD on 743, SciFi HD on 744, Bravo HD on 746, and HSN HD on 772.

Please note that the launch and availability of the services indicated in BOLD are entirely contingent upon contractual negotiations. Accordingly, it is possible that the specified service may not launch on this date.
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anon @ 17th Nov 06:13PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

That's just crazy! TWC east coast has their game face on and is ready to take on the competition while TWC west coast has apparently taken a nap.
I know they're doing lots of upgrading here but for frickin' sake! You guys are years ahead of us!
I'm guessing in 2011 we'll be where you are now.
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rv65 @ 18th Nov 02:11AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

You know that TWC Manhattan is getting upgrades to their network to make it as good as the networks in other parts of NYC. San Diego still has a bunch of HD channels to deploy in San Diego. About 8 to 13 HD channels. Start Over is also coming to San Diego for the first time.
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maartena @ 18th Nov 10:44AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Small change of plans with the 2nd wave of HD channels:

Beginning November 18, 2008, through February 2009,

Planet Green HD 453
The Weather Channel HD 454
Bio HD 457
Toon Disney HD 461
Cartoon Network HD 462
ESPNU HD 467
Speed HD 468
The Tennis Channel HD 473
Lifetime Movie Network HD 475
Hallmark Movie Channel HD 476
HBO East HD 481
Cinemax East HD 482
Showtime East HD 483
The Movie Channel West HD 484
Starz East HD 485
INDemand Sports HD 1 732
INDemand Sports HD 2 733

; will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in:

Artesia, Athens, Baldwin Hills, Bell Gardens, Bell, Bellflower, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Carson, Claremont, Compton, Corona, Covina, Cudahy, Culver City, Downey, El Cerito, Glen Ivy, Harbor, Hawaiian Gardens, Hollywood, Homeland, Horsethief Canyon, Inglewood, La Mirada, La Palma, Ladera Heights, Lake Elsinore, Lakewood, Lennox, Lomita, Lynwood, Maywood, Menifee, Murrieta Hot Springs, Paramount, parts of Costa Mesa, parts of Cypress, parts of Los Angeles, parts of Murrieta, Playa Del Rey, Playa Vista, Pomona, Riverside County, Romoland, San Pedro, Santa Fe Springs, South El Monte, South Los Angeles, The Farm, Tustin, parts of West LA, Westchester, Wild Rose, Wilmington, and Wilshire.

Beginning November 18, 2008 through February 2009

Fox News HD 465
Fox Business Network HD 466
FX HD 456
Animal Planet HD 451
Travel Channel 452 HD
Science Channel HD 460
NHL Network HD 471
TV Venezuela 823
Sur Peru 817

will be launched in all areas.

Also note:

Due to circumstances beyond our control, Vs/Golf HD, currently carried on channel 423 in some areas, will cease operations on December 8, 2008. To ensure no interruption to our customers, Versus HD and Golf HD will be launched on channel 469 and 423 respectively, on or before December 8, 2008.

Looks like all of us may start seeing PART of the 2nd wave of HD channels pretty soon, some of us as soon as today. And get 2 more non-HD spanish channels apparently. ;)
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minamelos @ 18th Nov 05:02PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Looks like Hacienda Heights, CA got the upgrade today.
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lightning10 @ 18th Nov 10:21PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Whittier got the upgrade today.
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erpster797 @ 19th Nov 05:19PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

well my family and I haven't. we live in the Hollywood section of Socal. maybe those new HD channels will come tomorrow or a week later.
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aztecnology @ 19th Nov 05:40PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

Small change of plans with the 2nd wave of HD channels:

Beginning November 18, 2008, through February 2009,

Planet Green HD 453
The Weather Channel HD 454
Bio HD 457
Toon Disney HD 461
Cartoon Network HD 462
ESPNU HD 467
Speed HD 468
The Tennis Channel HD 473
Lifetime Movie Network HD 475
Hallmark Movie Channel HD 476
HBO East HD 481
Cinemax East HD 482
Showtime East HD 483
The Movie Channel West HD 484
Starz East HD 485
INDemand Sports HD 1 732
INDemand Sports HD 2 733
Fox News HD 465
Fox Business Network HD 466
FX HD 456
Animal Planet HD 451
Travel Channel 452 HD
Science Channel HD 460
NHL Network HD 471
TV Venezuela 823
Sur Peru 817

Got all those, which was a nice surprise...
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rv65 @ 19th Nov 07:05PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

San Diego still has to add those 8 to 13 more HD channels which 1 is a local indie channel (KUSI). I like how SoCal tells you all the new channels in advanced. In San Diego you have to wait until they announce it or it just pops out of nowhere in the guide.
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rv65 @ 19th Nov 11:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC San Diego is releasing another HD channel that SoCal doesn't get. This time it's big 10 network in both SD and HD. However it requires the $5 sports pack. Big 10 network has football games in big 10 colleges.
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rv65 @ 19th Nov 11:14PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

San Diego also mentions Hallmark Movie Channel HD. Lets hope they add better non hallmark channels in HD.
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erpster797 @ 20th Nov 12:41PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

ok. I'm happy to report that we got the new HD channels today as I've checked the digital and HD cable boxes my family and I have at home this Thursday morning Nov. 20.

too bad TWC Socal decided not to offer NBATV HD ch. 470 as was planned last month. my brother is a big nba fan.
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maartena @ 20th Nov 01:01PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Erpster: Did you got the 2nd wave of channels too?
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maartena @ 20th Nov 06:45PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Check this out.

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···dtv.html

They updated the HDTV website with new schedules for new HD channels.
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shyguy907 @ 21st Nov 04:56AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I will be getting those 13 out of 24 HD channels next month (maybe mid-December). Only subscribed to 13 of those channels.
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mrbigbri @ 25th Nov 12:39PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yep, we got the new channels sometime over the weekend. NHL Network is great.
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shyguy907 @ 27th Nov 04:25PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

We'll finally see USA HD and SciFi HD (and more networks!) on TWC:

»www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···t7244431
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rv65 @ 27th Nov 05:50PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

erpster797,

I have NBATV HD on CH. 713 in San Diego and most of the time it's just a static screen. Maybe it's our area. San Diego has had this channel for quite some time. They are getting some of the new SoCal HD channels but not all. Maybe more HD channels will be added next year when they start to get rid of analog. A bunch of HD channels are going to be added later in San Diego.
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maartena @ 28th Nov 03:53PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I don't think they will be "getting rid" of analog anytime soon. There are way too many customers with just a TV hooked up, wanting nothing more then broadcast basic.
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rv65 @ 29th Nov 02:19PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

It seems that way. CH. 60 and 64 in San Diego are listed as a possible new SDV frequency. That means those channels are going to the digital tier. I still think that lifeline the really basic tier will stay analog. Expanded Basic will probably go digital next year or 2010. Maybe a gradual reduction could help. Some of that bandwidth could go to Small to Medium Businesses' thanks to DOCSIS 3.0.
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erpster797 @ 1st Dec 12:14PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by shyguy907 :

We'll finally see USA HD and SciFi HD (and more networks!) on TWC:

»www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···t7244431

the forum post you linked to is more than two years old, bigpete87. so it may not apply to TWC in some areas.

rv65, it's nice that TWC SD offers the NBATV HD channel. maybe TWC Socal will offer it in early 2009.

we got the INDemand Sports HD 1 & 2 channels (732 & 733) but they're inaccessible. attempting to view these channels will say "not authorized". weird.
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shyguy907 @ 1st Dec 02:46PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by erpster797 :

said by shyguy907 :

We'll finally see USA HD and SciFi HD (and more networks!) on TWC:

»www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···t7244431

the forum post you linked to is more than two years old, bigpete87. so it may not apply to TWC in some areas.

Check the edited date on the bottom of that post, last edited time was yesterday ;)

Socal will probably get those HD channels next year and beyond.
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rv65 @ 1st Dec 09:41PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

It might be nice for Socal but it would just be a screen with a bunch of text. It would have to be an SDV channel due to the lack of games. Barely any games are on it.
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rv65 @ 1st Dec 09:42PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC Socal is looking at having at least 70 HD channels by the end of 2009. Maybe more than that.
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maartena @ 2nd Dec 10:04AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Update:

Beginning December 17, 2008, through February 2009, Planet Green HD 453, The Weather Channel HD 454, Bio HD 457, Toon Disney HD 461, Cartoon Network HD 462, ESPNU HD 467, Speed HD 468, The Tennis Channel HD 473, Lifetime Movie Network HD 475, Hallmark Movie Channel HD 476, HBO East HD 481, Cinemax East HD 482, Showtime East HD 483, The Movie Channel West HD 484, Starz East HD 485, INDemand Sports HD 1 732, and INDemand Sports HD 2 733; will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in: Compton, Athens, Inglewood, South Los Angeles, Carson Harbor areas, Costa Mesa, Tustin (South)

Beginning November 18, 2008 through February 2009, Fox News HD 465, Fox Business Network HD 466, FX HD 456, Animal Planet HD 451, Travel Channel 452 HD, Science Channel HD 460, NHL Network HD 471, USA HD 441, Bravo HD 442, Sci Fi HD 443, CNBC+HD 444, KVEA HD 401, TV Venezuela 823, and Sur Peru 817, will be launched in all areas.

Beginning July 9, 2008, through February 2009, the following launches and channel number changes will take place throughout Time Warner Cable Los Angeles’ service areas. Launch schedule is available at »www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···dtv.html Some of the launches listed below may only apply to limited areas.

Looks like they added USA HD, Bravo HD, Scifi HD, CNBC HD, and KVEA HD (That last one is Telemundo HD)

Also the list of cities that they are launching other networks in seems limited.

The first batch of 12 HD channels is still listed too, but that should be done by this month.
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maartena @ 3rd Dec 03:02PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Since they have made some changes as of late to the HDTV rollout schedule, I will post it all in an easier to read format:

First wave:

Beginning July 9, 2008, through February 2009:

HGTV HD 433
Food Network HD 434
CNN HD 432
History Channel HD 439
A&E HD 439
Golf HD 423 (*)
Discovery HD 418
TLC HD 437
Disney Channel HD 435
ABC Family HD 436
ESPNews HD 426
National Geographic HD 440
KCOP HD 410
Versus HD 469 (*)

The above channels will be launched in ALL areas, and should be pretty much complete, except a few cities that get them this month in December.

(*)Golf and Versus shared a channel but have been split as of Dec 4th in Golf HD on channel 423, and Versus HD on channel 469.

See here for details: »www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···dtv.html

Second wave

Beginning November 18, 2008 through February 2009:

Fox News HD 465
Fox Business Network HD 466
FX HD 456
Animal Planet HD 451
Travel Channel 452 HD
Science Channel HD 460
NHL Network HD 471
USA HD 441
Bravo HD 442
Sci Fi HD 443
CNBC+HD 444
KVEA HD 401 (Telemundo)

These channels will also be launched in ALL areas. Some cities have them already, most of us don't have them yet and will get them over the next 2 months. See the link posted above for details on which cities are upcoming.

Third wave

Beginning December 17, 2008, through February 2009:

Planet Green HD 453
The Weather Channel HD 454
Bio HD 457
Toon Disney HD 461
Cartoon Network HD 462
ESPNU HD 467
Speed HD 468
The Tennis Channel HD 473
Lifetime Movie Network HD 475
Hallmark Movie Channel HD 476
HBO East HD 481
Cinemax East HD 482
Showtime East HD 483
The Movie Channel West HD 484
Starz East HD 485
INDemand Sports HD 1 732
INDemand Sports HD 2 733

These channels have a scheduled launch in a SELECTIVE set of cities so far, and I am presuming that the rest of the cities still need to be planned. (See link posted above)

For all channels goes that they will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel. Meaning: If you don't pay for the SD version of the channel, ya ain't getting the HD version.

In regards to the INDemand Sports HD channels: I already seem to have them, and had them for several months.... I never purchased anything though, and probably won't either.
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maartena @ 8th Dec 02:36AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Looks like Newport Beach and Santa Ana, among others, are not going to get their HD channels before Christmas....

Available in December:
Diamond Bar, Rowland Heights, San Fernando, Santa Monica, and parts of Van Nuys.

Available in January:
Corona Del Mar, parts of Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Santa Ana, and Seal Beach.

How interesting that most of those cities were former Adelphia. I knew that their network wasn't in great shape when TWC took them over, it must cost them more time than previously thought to upgrade the network for more HD channels.
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shyguy907 @ 9th Dec 11:50PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I will probably be getting the new HD channels next week, 12/17. I hope these HD channels doesnt affect the picture quality overall. But right now, the PQ is looking good except the pixelations during fast motion scenes.
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volcomssj48 @ 10th Dec 05:13AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

If I haven't gotten the 2nd wave yet, what do you think my chances are of getting them before Feb. 2009? I'm thinking TWC might just wait until then and launch waves 2 and 3 at the same time...Thoughts?
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maartena @ 10th Dec 09:38AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Not sure. From dates in the programming alerts section I would say the 17th is not a bad guess, as lots of things seem to be happening that day. We'll see :)
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rv65 @ 10th Dec 11:29PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

San Diego is getting some new HD channels but they never notify anybody. Usually we have to find out for ourselves or read the legal notice. They are negotiating a deal with the McKinnons to carry KUSI-DT. They will have to negotiate with Entravision and some Mexican company for XHDTV-DT which carries MNTV programing. Mexican stations aren't must carry but they carry them since it's competitive.
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dkrach @ 11th Dec 01:47AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

This is so frustrating, I live in Newport Beach, and every month TW updates their website and pushes me out another month. This has been happening since June when we got flyers in the mail saying new HD channels coming this summer. They don't even list my area for the second wave.
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volcomssj48 @ 13th Dec 03:56PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yeah, I have a friend in Newport. I'm surprised too that TWC always wires Newport last for everything. I think most people in Newport use DirecTV
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volcomssj48 @ 13th Dec 07:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Hey DK,

»gadgetress.freedomblogging.com/2···es/6264/

Hope it helps
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dkrach @ 15th Dec 10:26PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Good to see Uverse is getting close, hopefully the competition lights a fire under Time Warner to upgrade my area a little quicker. I live in an apartment complex with old copper though, so don't know if I trust dsl based video, but probably worth a try if TWC keeps this up.
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volcomssj48 @ 17th Dec 03:34AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Sweet! Just got a guide update at midnight. Its Dec. 17 and the new HD channels were switched on just as promised...Now all time warner needs to fix is my internet connection....been out for over 24 hours
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shyguy907 @ 17th Dec 04:47AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I just got the new HD channels as well, also including the Cartoon Network HD, ESPNU, etc.
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maartena @ 17th Dec 10:59AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I have all channels from the 2nd wave, nothing from the 3d wave. Cool enough, the rest will come next year in Orange probably.
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maartena @ 17th Dec 02:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yeah, my house has old copper too. Not only that, over the last 4 years they have managed to cross my lines no less then three times. Phone rings, and I got a three-way with person A calling person B, and since our line got crossed with person B, we got the call too. Other times I got to listen to phone calls elsewhere in the neighborhood and our phone giving a nasty static noise. my neighbor has switched to RoadRunner because his DSL always disconnected.

On top of that, I live in the MIDDLE of town, in an area built up in the 50ies and 60ies. AT&T states U-verse is available in the city of Orange, and I know at least 1 person who got it installed over at the east side of Orange. I however am 11000 ft from the CO, and it tells me U-Verse is not available, nor are any speeds better then 6 Mbps available.

The best thing of all is that I recently got called... TWICE in one week, by AT&T, wondering if I was interested in their "new, fast, DOUBLED in speed DSL". Turns out they increased the default speeds from 3 to 6 Mbps.

I asked them if they could do anything better then the 15/2 connection I already had, but of course they couldn't.

Nah... I got a dual tuner HD DVR and I watch HD channels in clear qam on my office TV (card in PC), so it is very likely 3 HD streams will be used in my house with 1 TV and 1 PC with TV card.

No thanks, you can stuff that U-Verse with 2 HD streams somewhere unpleasant. :P
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erpster797 @ 18th Dec 07:38PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

Looks like they added USA HD, Bravo HD, Scifi HD, CNBC HD, and KVEA HD (That last one is Telemundo HD)

Got these 5 HD channels today Dec. 18, maartena.

even more strange is that channel 733 inDemand sports HD2 channel now works but the NBA TV channels 262 & 735 are no longer working and says "Not Authorized" when I access them but the NBA League Pass channels my brother subscribed to remain working. inDemand sports HD1 channel 732 still remains inaccessible. a glitch with TWC Socal source perhaps? still scratching my head on this one...
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beeplogic @ 18th Dec 07:49PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I don't seem to get any of the channels from the first wave, I'm in Santa Ana. :(
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maartena @ 18th Dec 08:18PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by beeplogic :

I don't seem to get any of the channels from the first wave, I'm in Santa Ana. :(

Yeah Santa Ana and Newport Beach got screwed. You won't get anything till January.... :(

Available in December:
Diamond Bar, Rowland Heights, San Fernando, Santa Monica, and parts of Van Nuys.

Available in January:
Corona Del Mar, parts of Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Santa Ana, and Seal Beach.
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maartena @ 18th Dec 08:19PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

@erpster797:

Perhaps the NBA TV channels are part of the general sports package, and not part of NBA League Pass?
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maartena @ 23rd Dec 02:09PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

The first wave of channels is now available everywhere except:

Available in January 2009:
Corona Del Mar, parts of Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Santa Ana, and Seal Beach.

The second wave of channels is now available everywhere except:

Available in January 2009:
Corona Del Mar, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Santa Ana, Seal Beach, and Tustin.

The networks in Santa Ana, Newport Beach, Seal Beach and Corona Del Mar must have been a b!tch to upgrade....

Hopefully January you should have all those channels too.

As for the third wave of channels:

Available Now:
Artesia, Athens, Baldwin Hills, Bell Gardens, Bell, Bellflower, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Carson, Compton, Corona, Covina, Cudahy, Culver City, parts of Cypress, Downey, El Cerito, Glenn Ivy, Harbor, Lomita, Hawaiian Gardens, Hollywood, Homeland, Horsethief Canyon, Inglewood, La Mirada, La Palma, Ladera Heights, Lake Elsinore, Lakewood, Lennox, parts of Los Angeles, Lynwood, Maywood, Menifee, parts of Murrieta, Murrieta Hot Springs, Paramount, Playa Del Rey, Playa Vista, Pomona, Romoland, parts of Riverside County, San Pedro, Santa Fe Springs, South El Monte, South Los Angeles, The Farm, parts of West LA, Westchester, Wild Rose, Wilmington, and Wilshire.

Available in January 2009:
Parts of Costa Mesa, and Tustin.

Available in February:
Claremont

Many cities are still missing from that one, the rest of us may have to wait till later in the year. 2009 that is.
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dkrach @ 24th Dec 01:40AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

A buddy of mine lives in South Pasadena which hasn't seen a single upgrade. No new HD channels, and none listed on the website, as well as still being stuck at 10/1 for internet. He called yesterday to complain, and they said summer '09. Sucks for the people living around there.

The way I see it, they shouldn't be allowed to charge everyone the same price yet offer different channel lineups and internet speeds. I think people who haven't gotten upgraded yet should be getting a discount until TW gets with the program.
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hobgoblin @ 26th Dec 10:59AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

"The way I see it, they shouldn't be allowed to charge everyone the same price yet offer different channel lineups and internet speeds. I think people who haven't gotten upgraded yet should be getting a discount until TW gets with the program"

They should be able to charge what the market can stand. If the customer does not want to pay for it they don't have to.

Of course the alternative would be to give no one it until all areas were upgraded!

Hob
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maartena @ 26th Dec 12:05PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by dkrach :

The way I see it, they shouldn't be allowed to charge everyone the same price yet offer different channel lineups and internet speeds. I think people who haven't gotten upgraded yet should be getting a discount until TW gets with the program.

That doesn't make any sense to me. You are getting exactly the same as you were 6 months ago, and you still pay the same as 6 months ago. ;)

The fact that the network in your city is more difficult/cumbersome to upgrade, and therefore takes longer to provide the services other already have had for a month or 3, doesn't give the right to any discounts.
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anon @ 28th Dec 12:46PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Don't ask me why but we still get "The Toe" and "Maxim" on 708 and 711
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anon @ 4th Jan 07:30AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

plugged in my hdtv into TWC service from South Pasadena and barely got any of the promised hd channels.

I want at least espn :/
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maartena @ 8th Jan 06:37PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I got a message in the mail.... they are implementing the new "Navigator" software in Orange sometime beginning late January.

Because the 3d wave of HDTV channels only has a few cities listed, I am wondering if Navigator is needed first, as Navigator is compatible with SDV, where Passport is not.

Makes sense:

- Implement Navigator.
- Implement SDV to free up space on cable.
- Add more HDTV channels. :)
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beeplogic @ 15th Jan 11:55AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

It finally happened, got my HD channels (I'm in Santa Ana)! :D Not sure what time, but I noticed around 12:30am before going to bed. About time. :mad:
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TallJason @ 17th Jan 07:55AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

New channels have arrived for me as well in Costa Mesa. I got to watch BSG tonight in HD!!!
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dkrach @ 18th Jan 07:13PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Got the channels as well, sometime between Friday and Saturday. Need to look and see if I got them all or if there are more coming in the second wave TW was mentioning.
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maartena @ 23rd Jan 07:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Good to see that Santa Ana/Newport Beach finally got the full load of channels.

Now it's just a bit of a waiting game to see what they are going to do with the last wave. My guess is that they will deploy SDV and Navigator first before they add the last wave of channels for everyone, so it may take a few months before we see more.
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TallJason @ 27th Jan 06:45PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Anyone else here use TiVo? The guide data is still missing for TiVo, anyone have a working zip code for TiVo? It would be nice to see what is on those HD channels now that I get them. Currently all I get is "To be announced"

-TallJason
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maartena @ 28th Jan 01:39AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

try 92867
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maartena @ 30th Jan 01:39PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Anyone happen to know when they start rolling out Navigator in Socal? I got a letter from TWC stating they would START at the end of January.

Obviously that could mean that my city isn't up till May or June, but just wondering if anyone got any ideas.
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erpster797 @ 18th Feb 08:46PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

no clue. i'm not concerned about the navigator stuff that twc socal is supposed to be using.

TWC Socal has redesigned ther web site. See the latest programming alerts here.
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anon @ 19th Feb 12:27AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Moto boxes won't get the navigator for a long time...
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maartena @ 19th Mar 02:17PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

It seems TWC Socal is keeping very quiet about launching more HD....when I last called em up, they still said that everyone should get 70 HD channels in 2009, but so far the count has stopped at roughly 50.

I am pretty happy with the HD channels I have, just wondering why they have gone silent and are no longer updating the website.
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rv65 @ 20th Mar 11:14PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I think San Diego is going to have more channels than Socal. They are going to add more HD channels by the end of this month. All of them are going SDV. TWC San Diego is moving more channels to SDV so that will make it more interesting. They are however, deploying the SDV tuning adapter for Tivo owners.
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maartena @ 20th Apr 12:54PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

For those that have the HD tier:

We'll get MGM HD and Hallmark Movie Channel HD before the month ends.

Some cities already have previews of the MGM HD channel right now.
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anon @ 20th Apr 04:53PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yeah but still no news as to when the second wave of HD channels Planet Green, The Weather Channel, Cartoon Network ect... are to be rolled out. As I excepted TWC stopped updating their HD notification page months ago.
Would be nice if they keep everyone updated as to their progress.
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anon @ 20th Apr 06:47PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by teto :

Yeah but still no news as to when the second wave of HD channels Planet Green, The Weather Channel, Cartoon Network ect... are to be rolled out. As I excepted TWC stopped updating their HD notification page months ago.
Would be nice if they keep everyone updated as to their progress.

I got them months ago in my area.
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maartena @ 20th Apr 07:11PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Looks like they totally stopped rolling out any more HD channels.... of course the customer service department usually doesn't know anything:

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"Thank you for your inquiry. I would be happy to assist you further.

At present there are no plans to increase the amount of HD coverage and therefore there is nothing to announce. I am sorry for the inconvenience.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to email us back or contact us at the number listed below. Our telephone representatives are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Have a nice day!

Time Warner Cable
(888)TW-CABLE
(888)892-2253"
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You didn't assist me further at all. Don't you just love these scripted emails that tell you absolutely nothing whatsoever? :D
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shyguy907 @ 20th Apr 10:30PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I got all the HD channels (the one listed on the TWC SoCal website) but I got a letter saying TWC will be performing "enhancements" on their cable system in my area (on May 19th) to bring "increased reliable, up-to-date, high-quality video, high speed internet, and digital home phone services".

I hope the picture quality gets better after this "enhancements".
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maartena @ 21st Apr 02:16AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I got a letter in December that they were going to roll out "Navigator", starting late January. I still have the letter too.

Did anyone actually get Navigator, or has TWC changed their plans?
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rv65 @ 21st Apr 03:46AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

maartena,

I have Navigator and it's ok. Not as good as Passport but it's getting there. The OCAP/tru2way version and the legacy version has it's issues. Some features that are in Passport aren't in Navigator like true Manual recording and Keyword search. ODN the OCAP/tru2way version has broken eSATA support. It might be this summer. San Diego our division has had it for about a year. It might depend on what your division is doing. It will be a staggered rollout. Some boxes will get it first and others will get it later. Hope this helps in regards to Navigator.
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rv65 @ 21st Apr 04:13AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Also there are 2 versions of Navigator. One is ODN aka OCAP Digital Navigator. ODN runs on the HDC boxes and all tru2way devices. That way you can have full digital cable features without having a box. ODN is written in Java and runs on a Java middleware that translates Java code to native machine code. It's pretty stable but it has it's issues.

The other version of Navigator is MDN. MDN is the non OCAP version of Navigator. It runs on legacy Passport boxes. I wouldn't recommend running it on an old Pioneer or SA box since it looks like DOS and runs very slowly. It's pretty responsive on newer legacy boxes like my 3250HD. The 8300HD's run it very well. Sometimes faster than the HDC's running ODN. It does have stability issues.

Motorola networks will continue to use iGuide until who knows when. TWC was working with some company to port Navigator to Moto boxes but now they have OCAP/tru2way so they could use newer Moto boxes and run ODN. The deal with OpenTV to make a moto compliant version of Navigator has fell through but they are working with them on other projects. The Moto DCX boxes will get a tru2way version of iGuide.

Hope this helps.
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shyguy907 @ 21st Apr 01:00PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

The TWC SoCal programming alerts has been updated.

»www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/le···rts.html
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maartena @ 21st Apr 02:31PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

quote:
Effective May 1, 2009 MGM HD will be launched on the HD Tier (HD box is required) on channel 421. A preview is now available.

Effective May 6, 2009, in Redondo Beach, Hermosa Beach and Manhattan Beach KDOC will move from channel 12 to channel 19. CNN will move from channel 19 to channel 12.

Effective May 6, 2009, in Palmdale, Antelope Valley and Edwards Air Force Base KDOC will move from channel 38 to channel 29.

Effective May 6, 2009, Disney Channel HD, ABC Family HD, Disney XD HD and Disney XD and Disney XD En SAP will switch from the East Coast feeds to the newly available West Coast feeds.

Effective May 6, 2009, Show & Sell Paid Programming on channel 6 will cease operation and be removed from the lineup in Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, Stevenson Ranch and Canyon Country.

Effective May 27, 2009, FSN HD (part-time) on channel 413 be removed from the channel lineup and will be replaced by Fox Sports West HD (24/7) on channel 463 and Prime ticket HD (24/7) on channel 464.

Effective May 27, 2009, KCOP (MyTV) HD will move from channel 410 to channel 413.

Effective May 27, 2009, HDNet will move from channel 420 to channel 459.

Effective May 27, 2009, Smithsonian HD will be launched on the HD Tier (an HD box is required) on channel 420.

Effective May 27, 2009, KPXN (ION) HD will be launched on the Broadcast Basic service level (HD equipment is required) on channel 410.

Effective May 27, 2009 in Canyon Country and Santa Clarita/Stevenson Ranch KDOC (IND) will move from channel 25 to channel 6.

Effective May 27, 2009 in South Pasadena and San Marino, KDOC (IND) will move from channel 10 to channel 6 and Leased Access will move from channel 6 to channel 10.

Effective May 27, 2009, MLB Extra Innings/NHL Center Ice will be removed from channels 701 through 710. These same channels will continue to be available on channels 755 through 768. No programming will be lost.

See my post above here where I posted a reply in which they said there was "nothing to announce"??

My question was SPECIFICALLY about FSN WEST and PRIME TICKET, as Angels and Dodgers games are often not in HD because they share the same 413 channel - only one of them is shown in HD, and the other one isn't.

It's pretty clear that customer service knows nothing.
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maartena @ 21st Apr 04:08PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

For those that have the HD tier:

We'll get MGM HD and Hallmark Movie Channel HD before the month ends.

Some cities already have previews of the MGM HD channel right now.

And from the above, it would seem Hallmark Movie Channel HD is not going to happen.
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anon @ 21st Apr 07:30PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

That was quick! ya think they're paying attention to this thread?
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maartena @ 29th Apr 02:09PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I'm bummed I have to wait till the 27th though.... :D

In any case, at least I can see my Duckies in HD on Versus. :)
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maartena @ 20th May 07:23PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Here is the latest update:

Effective May 27, 2009, Smithsonian HD will be launched on the HD Tier (an HD box is required) on channel 420.

Crime & Investigation HD will be launched on the HD Tier (an HD box is required) on channel 421 on June 19, 2009 with a preview beginning May 27, 2009.

The launch of Fox Sports West HD (24/7) on channel 463 and FSN Prime Ticket HD (24/7) on channel 464 previously scheduled for May 27, 2009 has been has been delayed by the programmer. FSN/Special Events HD (part-time) on channel 413 will be moved to channel 463 on May 27, 2009. Fox Sports West HD (24/7) and FSN Prime Ticket HD (24/7) will be launched on channels 463 and 464 as soon as they are available.

Effective May 27, 2009, KCOP (MyTV) HD will move from channel 410 to channel 413.

Effective May 27, 2009, KPXN (ION) HD will be launched on the Broadcast Basic service level (HD equipment is required) on channel 410.

Effective May 27, 2009 in Canyon Country and Santa Clarita/Stevenson Ranch KDOC (IND) will move from channel 25 to channel 6.

Effective May 27, 2009 in South Pasadena and San Marino, KDOC (IND) will move from channel 10 to channel 6 and Leased Access will move from channel 6 to channel 10.

Effective May 27, 2009, MLB Extra Innings/NHL Center Ice will be removed from channels 701 through 710. These same channels will continue to be available on channels 755 through 768. No programming will be lost.

Effective May 27, 2009, we will be required to cease carriage of HDNet and HDNet Movies unless an agreement with the programmer is reached. If an agreement is reached HDNet will move from channel 420 to channel 459 and HDNet Movies will move from channel 421 to channel 458.
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anon @ 22nd May 03:09AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC is working on my system on the morning of May 26 from midnight to 6am. Wonder if it's just for these changes on the 27th, or part of something bigger...
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maartena @ 25th May 11:35AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by DaveT79 :

TWC is working on my system on the morning of May 26 from midnight to 6am. Wonder if it's just for these changes on the 27th, or part of something bigger...

I doubt it. These kind of changes are simply done on a computer somewhere, they don't need to do take the network down or anything like that.
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maartena @ 28th May 09:51AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

All the above channel changes took place yesterday, and as reported in other threads.... HDNet and HDNet Movies has been removed entirely.
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erpster797 @ 28th May 01:38PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

All the above channel changes took place yesterday, and as reported in other threads.... HDNet and HDNet Movies has been removed entirely.

yup. got the new HD channels yesterday as well.
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erpster797 @ 10th Jun 04:33PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

The launch of Fox Sports West HD (24/7) on channel 463 and FSN Prime Ticket HD (24/7) on channel 464 previously scheduled for May 27, 2009 has been has been delayed by the programmer. FSN/Special Events HD (part-time) on channel 413 will be moved to channel 463 on May 27, 2009. Fox Sports West HD (24/7) and FSN Prime Ticket HD (24/7) will be launched on channels 463 and 464 as soon as they are available.

The TWC cable boxes at my house now has FSW HD channel 463 and FSN Prime Ticket HD channel 464, today June 10.
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maartena @ 10th Jun 05:33PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by erpster797 :

The TWC cable boxes at my house now has FSW HD channel 463 and FSN Prime Ticket HD channel 464, today June 10.

Cool :) I will test that tonight when I tune in to the Angels game!
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maartena @ 11th Jun 09:56AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yep! They are finally here :) No more Angels games in SD when the Dodgers play at home at the same time. ;)
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maartena @ 3rd Sep 06:36PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Well, it looks like the HDTV magic has stopped in SoCal.

While U-Verse and FIOS are adding HD channels still, seems like the SoCal division of Time Warner has stopped issuing any new HD channels.... we're stuck at about 50 right now.

Meanwhile, they are very busy deploying Navigator, which I find more and more annoying lately. They need to do some major updates to that software and bring back many features.

TWC New York has added BBC America HD - and that's a channel I have been really hoping for.
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rv65 @ 3rd Sep 11:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I think the Moto divisions are holding them back. iGuide has beta SDV support but A28 should have final SDV support. Actually San Diego has more channels than SoCal but only in the SA area. I live in the SA area and we have SDV which is great if it works. We just got a few big10 overflows. More HD channels should be coming soon and a few analogs are going digital to allow for even more channels. I too want new HD channels but our division picks the lamest ones. If you can find the legal notice then it might show future HD channels.
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maartena @ 7th Sep 02:38PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Socal Legal notices haven't been updated since June or so.... pretty much the same time they started rolling out their new Navigator software.

My mother inlaw still has a motorola box with old software. Which sucks even worse then navigator. ;)
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erpster797 @ 11th Sep 11:40AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

Well, it looks like the HDTV magic has stopped in SoCal.

While U-Verse and FIOS are adding HD channels still, seems like the SoCal division of Time Warner has stopped issuing any new HD channels.... we're stuck at about 50 right now.

50 HD channels in SoCal, maartena?
I counted close to 70 HD channels in my area for TWC Socal (including the local and movie channels). I live in the Wilshire district of Los Angeles.

EDIT: Um, make that 69 HD channels in my area. just need one more to reach 70

it would be nice to have WGN, Lifetime, Style, WE, NBA TV and Spike channels in HD.
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DaveT79 @ 12th Sep 03:11AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

yeah, versus DirecTV's 130+ or whatever they have now.
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maartena @ 15th Sep 12:20PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Nope, I am counting close to 50 on mine....

401 KVEA HD (Telemundo)
402 KCBS HD (CBS)
404 KNBC HD (NBC)
405 KTLA HD (CW)
407 KABC HD (ABC)
408 KOCE HD (PBS)
409 KCAL HD (Ind)
410 KPXN (ION) HD
411 KTTV (FOX) HD
412 KCET HD (PBS)
413 KCOP HD (myNetworkTV)
414 Palladia HD
415 TNT HD
416 HD Theater
417 TBS in HD
418 Discovery Channel HD
419 Universal HD
420 Smithsonian Channel HD
421 Crime & Investigation Network HD
422 MGM HD
423 The Golf Channel HD
424 ESPN HD
425 ESPN2 HD
426 ESPNews HD
427 HBO HD
428 Showtime HD
429 Starz HD
430 Cinemax HD
431 HD (Pay-per-view)
432 CNN HD
433 HGTV HD
434 Food Network HD
435 Disney Channel HD
436 ABC Family HD
437 TLC HD
438 A&E HD
439 History HD
440 National Geographic HD
441 USA HD
442 Bravo HD
443 Sci Fi HD
444 CNBC HD+
445 Live Well HD (KABC-DT2)
451 Animal Planet HD
452 Travel Channel HD
456 FX HD
460 Science Channel HD
463 FOX Sports West HD
464 Prime Ticket HD
465 Fox News HD
466 Fox Business Network HD
469 Versus HD
470 MLB Network HD
471 NHL Network HD

55 in the list above, also counting all of the premiums (of which I have only HBO) and the HD PPV channel on 431.

I know that they rolled out a set of channels including "Planet Green HD" (that's the only one I can remember) to about 12 cities across the entire southland, but they mysteriously stopped ALL HD channel rollouts as of roughly April 2009, only adding Fox Sports West HD and Prime Ticket HD, and replacing 413 (which as the TWC Sports Events channel) with KCOP13 that doesn't even broadcast in HD most of the time. And that channel 445 I think isn't even a HD channel and doesn't work anymore I believe.
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videonex @ 15th Sep 08:14PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

445 is still on although the twc "Programming Alerts" page has said for a long time that it might go away as soon as two months ago. It is the KABC-DT2 channel, is in 720P and most of it's programming is the "Living Well" HD network and is in HD, there are some local fill ins that are not.

KCOP on the other hand is almost 100% HD in Prime Time for MY network stuff, they even run some syndicated repeats in HD. Their biggest non-HD problem is that when they do the Angels games, those are not in HD. AND THEY ARE OWNED BY FOX WHO PRODUCES THE GAMES! And by MLB standards are all produced in HD.
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rv65 @ 19th Sep 02:19AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

TWC SoCal is finalizing their list of new HD addons. SoCal is getting SDV thanks to BigBand. Motorola and Cisco networks will all get SDV for even more HD channels. However you might experience the This Channel is not available message, press A to continue. Thats what happens when SDV has issues or the channel will macroblock and pixellate.
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rv65 @ 19th Sep 02:24AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

The list will be published in November and it will be a tiered launch. I think there will be a bunch of HD channels that will be on this list.
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motorola870 @ 19th Sep 02:59AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I talked to a TWC rep in dallas and they said starting in october more HD will be available to motorola boxes and not cable cards. They did not mention the motorola MTR700.I talked to the rep about a week and a half before the public SDV press release. So we should get I Guide A28 sometime within the next couple of weeks or months if it gets delayed.

above is a MTR 700

rv65 @ 19th Sep 03:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

SoCal has both Cisco and SA. They are mostly acquired systems from Adelphia and Comcast with some TWC inbetween.
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rv65 @ 27th Sep 03:41PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I think these new channels will be SDV since TWC LA has placed an order with BigBand to provide SDV for their network. That means both Motorola and Cisco can have SDV. The Adelphia Moxi's might not support SDV so they might have to be swapped for a Moto box. Though they might release a FW update to enable SDV support. I don't see that happening though. SDV is great when it works. When it doesn't you'll see a "Channel not available Message". On Navigator you can press A to try getting it back but A usually doesn't work. I think SoCal could deploy the Samsung DVR for the Cisco area. San Diego has the new Samsung DVR with a 320 GB HDD running ODN v3.1.3_2. and FW v4.2.2.3 It doesn't support OTA but it did come with a DTV notice :). I think MSNBC HD is a likely channel and maybe BBC America HD. Contact your local TWC to see what you want in the new HD channel list.

If you have any Navigator issue please contact TWC using the contact us form but tell them you want it sent to the Navigator engineering team or department to make sure that you get a response. They do respond to your criticism's.

Hope this helps.
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Steve Mehs @ 27th Sep 04:33PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Looks like someone fell for some DirecTV marketing. Go here, select Premier and select HD and count. Then add the 6 channels they include in the HD Xtra Pak. Nowhere near 130, even if you count all of those out of market RSNs. Looks like DirecTV forgot to mention all those HD PPV channels they use to pad their numbers on this page.

»www.directv.com/DTVAPP/compare/b···p?fr=AS&

There are 11 national HD channels DirecTV carries that TW has no contract for (NFL Network HD, NFL RedZone HD, Fuel HD, HDNet, HDNet Movies and the 6 Viacom HD channels). There's over 40 HD channels TW has contracts for that DirecTV doesn't carry.

As far as national contracts go, DirecTV is just about dead last among big name MSOs. Verizon, AT&T, Dish Network and Time Warner all whoop the almighty DirecTVs ass when it comes to HD. DirecTV is an HD joke. No Travel Channel HD, no ESPN U HD, no AMC HD, no IFC HD, where's all the HBO and Cinemax HD channels, no Encore HD, no Versus HD, no MSNBC HD, no HLN HD, no Investigation Discovery HD, I could go on and on.
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shyguy907 @ 28th Sep 09:38AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

More HD channels coming soon:

KMEX HD (Univision)
KFTR HD (Telefutura)
AMC HD
WE HD
Fuse HD
IFC HD
E! HD
Style HD
MSNBC HD
BBC America HD
HSN HD
CBS College Sports HD
G4 HD
HLN HD (Headline News)
History International HD
NBA TV
Outdoor Channel HD
QVC HD
TCM HD
TV One HD
WGN America HD
Investigation Discovery HD

»www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/le···dtv.html
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videonex @ 28th Sep 10:53PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Interesting that KMEX and KFTR (both owned by Univision and operating from the same studios) are on the list, considering that neither station has yet to transmit any kind of HD signal OTA.
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motorola870 @ 29th Sep 01:18AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by videonex :

Interesting that KMEX and KFTR (both owned by Univision and operating from the same studios) are on the list, considering that neither station has yet to transmit any kind of HD signal OTA.

univison is starting a national HD rollout.
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Gendarme @ 29th Sep 03:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

They (Univison) also have the rights to the World Cup in 2010.

»www.engadgethd.com/2009/04/14/un···rld-cup/

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maartena @ 8th Oct 10:07AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Typical.

I call TWC and ask about the new HD channels. Guy on the phone knows nothing about any new HD channels. I point him to the website that says "coming soon" these channels, and give him a few known channel names.

"We currently don't carry those in HD"

Yeah no sh.. sherlock, I am calling to check and see when you will.... after all, you have announced them on your website.

Guy knows absolutely nothing, but stayed polite. I'll give him that as kudos. :)

Oh and NO.... I am not interested in your upselling attempt of phone service after I got 0 information out of you. :D

Guess we'll just have to wait. We here at DSLReports often get "the scoop" before their customer service does anyways. They always live about a MONTH back in time. ;)
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rv65 @ 8th Oct 03:27PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Except San Diego should be getting HD channels that SoCal is getting. We aren't worthy enough to have BBCA HD, Travel HD, and MSNBC HD. I'd kill to have those channels. Even more than premiums in HD.
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maartena @ 8th Oct 03:58PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by rv65 :

I'd kill to have those channels.

Moving to an area that offers those channel is probably a better plan than a move to San Quentin State Prison. ;)

Socal doesn't have them yet by the way, and Socal TWC employees know absolutely nothing about it, except what they also read on the website....

.... which reads "soon".

And TWC's definition of "soon"spans over a time period I would not normally associate with "soon". :D

We'll see. As of late - that is the last 6 months or so - I have become increasingly frustrated with Time Warner Cable. They don't know a lot about anything at customer service, so I don't know why I still bother with calling them. The only real helpful person I ever got to communicate with over email was on the socal management team.

About 3 years ago - prior to the Adelphia/Comcast grab - you called TWC and you actually got to talk to someone that knew what they were doing. Things haven't changed for the better as of late.
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rv65 @ 8th Oct 03:59PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I can wait but our division operates Desert Cities and they got a few HD channels that San Diego doesn't have yet.
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maartena @ 16th Oct 11:54AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by rv65 :

Except San Diego should be getting HD channels that SoCal is getting. We aren't worthy enough to have BBCA HD, Travel HD, and MSNBC HD. I'd kill to have those channels. Even more than premiums in HD.

No worries, customer service up here still doesn't know anything about a BBC America in HD.... :D

As usualy, they probably will get a circular email 3 weeks after the fact stating: "Oh by the way, if any customer asks, we just added these channels 3 weeks ago".

That's usually how they know. :D
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rv65 @ 24th Oct 01:13AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

As long as HD Theatre is kept then I'm happy since I can enjoy my favorite form of racing. HDTheatre has some great programs for gear heads like me.
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maartena @ 27th Oct 07:23PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

And I still want HDNet back. :(
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rv65 @ 27th Oct 09:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Same here except it will never happen for another billion years.
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shyguy907 @ 11th Nov 01:26PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

quote:
446 - msnbc HD
447 - HLN HD (Headline News)
448 - BBC America HD
449 - Investigation Discovery HD
455 - History International HD
458 - WGN America HD
472 - NBA TV
474 - CBS College Sports HD
478 - TCM HD
479 - AMC HD
480 - IFC HD
486 - WE HD
487 - E! HD
488 - Style HD
489 - HSN HD
490 - QVC HD
494 - Fuse HD
495 - G4 HD
498 - TV One HD
499 - Outdoor Channel HD

I just received these new HD channels (except KMEX HD and KFTR HD) this morning. TWC said in a letter (got their snail mail a few days ago) that these channels will be available early next month but looks like I got them early. :)
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maartena @ 11th Nov 06:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by shyguy907 :

I just received these new HD channels (except KMEX HD and KFTR HD) this morning. TWC said in a letter (got their snail mail a few days ago) that these channels will be available early next month but looks like I got them early. :)

Interresting!

I betcha anything though Orange doesn't have them yet though, I never received any snail mail either.
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motorola870 @ 11th Nov 06:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

can you post channel numbers?
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shyguy907 @ 11th Nov 06:59PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by motorola870 :

can you post channel numbers?

Added the channel numbers in my post above. :)

BTW I'm in the former Comcast area and in the Harbor Gateway area even though my location says Torrance.
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motorola870 @ 11th Nov 07:11PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

so you have about 90-100 HD channels non SDV. Thats nice. Didnt twc drop all expanded basic channels in the former comcast systems in the LA area?

My system is getting SDV by the end of the year. They are adding 20 HD right off the bat the last week of december.

We have had CBS COLLEGE SPORTS HD since 12/08. We were upgraded to 870MHz from 750MHz last year. They also added some new 1GHz nodes to my system when they upgraded. :)

We already have 51HD now so we should go to 71HD by the end of the year.
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anon @ 11th Nov 07:43PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Legacy TWC, and former Adelphia areas should be getting the new HD channels on 12/10/09.
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DaveT79 @ 11th Nov 07:25PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I go the HD channels todayafter my notice said it'd be early December as well. Zip code 90034 - Culver City, Los Angeles line. That all said, Nick Jr/Noggin (Chan 182) hasn't been working since this morning. It was frozen on a frame of a screen with a blue-ish background (not solid blue, but but just a gradient...no text or anything) for a little awhile, but back to being either just black saying nothing or saying the channel will be back shortly.

My 3-year old is missing all his favorite shows! hehe...
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shyguy907 @ 11th Nov 07:34PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Yep, TWC dropped it last year when adding the other HD channels back in December 2008. I think SDV is arriving next month or so as TWC said in the letter: "Starting on December 8th, 2009 digital equipment will be needed to continue to viewing channel KWHY....it will continue to be view in a digital format that can be viewed using two-way capable Digital Cable equipment, such as Digital Cable Set-top Box or cableCARD-equipped TiVO or Digeo HD DVR used in conjunction with a tuning adapter."
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maartena @ 12th Nov 02:43AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Of course they never updated their Programming Alert section..... that makes it easier for them to postpone it if they want ;)
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anon @ 12th Nov 05:41AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

i'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but i was wondering if anyone knew the qam channel for FSW and FSNPRIME

i have twc in chatsworth

i found ESPN and ESPN2 from silicondust.com, but i cant find FSW and FSNPRIME
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maartena @ 12th Nov 09:30AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

None of those channels should actually be in clearQAM, you are lucky that ESPN and ESPN2 are clearQAM! (I'm gonna do a rescan right now LOL)

Normally you only get the broadcast networks + their digital extra's and PBS and their digital extra's.

ESPN and FSN are normally encoded. You should be able to get the analog version of those on your TV card though.
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anon @ 12th Nov 05:07PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by maartena :

None of those channels should actually be in clearQAM, you are lucky that ESPN and ESPN2 are clearQAM! (I'm gonna do a rescan right now LOL)

Normally you only get the broadcast networks + their digital extra's and PBS and their digital extra's.

ESPN and FSN are normally encoded. You should be able to get the analog version of those on your TV card though.

thanks for the reply

i got ESPN and ESPN2 qam channels off silicondust and then i manually entered them into WMC

im using the avermedia avertvhd duet and i cant seem to get the analog version of ESPN and FSN...do i need a different card for that?
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maartena @ 12th Nov 08:06PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

You should be able to get ESPN and FSN as analog channels no problem. For me they are:

32 - FSN West
33 - FSN PT
34 - ESPN
35 - ESPN2
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maartena @ 13th Nov 02:35PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

BIG UPDATE!

From time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

The following changes will be made on or around December 8, 2009.

The following services that are currently made available to customers in an analog (or both analog and digital) format as part of our Broadcast or Basic Cable Tiers will be made available in a digital format only. These channels will remain in their current tiers. KWHY, The Weather Channel, AMC, ABC Family, ShopNBC, truTV, Oxygen.

Style Network will move from the Basic Cable Tier on channels 63 and 130 to Digital Variety Tier on channel 130 only.

The following changes will be made on December 10th with a preview beginning November 11, 2009.

These services will be added to the following channels and service levels: UMEX, channel 800, Broadcast (digital format), TFTR, channel 801, Broadcast (digital format); Venemovies, channel 837, El Paquetazo Dos Tier; Multimedios, channel 804, El Paqetazo Dos Tier; Teleformula, channel 813, El Paqetazo Dos Tier; Sur Peru, channel 817, El Paquetazo Dos Tier; KSCI 18.4 (CGN), channel 658, Broadcast (digital equipment needed); KSCI 18.5 (US Armenia), channel 695, Broadcast (digital format); KSCI18.7 (VANTV), channel 600, Broadcast (digital format); KSCI 18.8, channel, 638, Broadcast (digital format); SET Asia, channel 672, Premium; Sahara Filmy, channel 673, Premium; GMA Life, channel 682, Premium and TVK2, channel 655, Choice Tier.

AMC HD 480, WE HD 486, E! HD 487, History International HD 455, IFC HD 480, Fuse HD 494, MSNBC HD 446, HLN HD 447, CBS College Sports HD 474, NBA TV HD 472, Outdoor Channel HD 499, G4 HD 495, TV One HD 498, Investigation Discovery HD 449, BBC America HD 448, WGN America HD 458, TCM HD 478, Style HD 488, HSN HD 489 and QVC HD 490 will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in Artesia, Bell & Cudahy, Carson, Claremont, Compton, Athens, East Compton, Florence, Willowbrook, Corona, Covina, Pomona, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Corona, El Cerrito, Glenn Ivy, Horsethief Canyon, Lake Elsinore, Menifee, Murrieta, Murrieta Hot Springs, Riverside County, The Farm, Wild Rose, Costa Mesa, Cypress & La Palma, Harbor, Lomita, Harbor City, San Pedro, Wilmington, Hawaiian Gardens, Bell Gardens, Bellflower, Downey, La Mirada, Lynwood, Maywood, Paramount, Santa Fe Springs, Hollywood, Westchester: Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire, Windsor Hills, Homeland, Romoland, Inglewood, Lakewood, South El Monte, Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, South Los Angeles and Tustin.

GMA Pinoy will be added as a Premium channel on channel 681in Buena Park, Fullerton, Newport Beach, Placentia, Santa Ana, Seal Beach, Alta Loma, Bloomington, Fontana, Grand Terrace, Highland, Loma Linda, Montclair, Ontario, Pomona, Rancho Cucamonga, San Bernadino, San Antonio Heights, Upland, San Gabriel Valley (Arcadia, Baldwin Park, Bradbury, El Monte, Diamond Bar, Glendora, Hacienda Heights, La Verne, La Puente, Monrovia, Pico Rivera, Rowland Heights, San Dimas, Sierra Madre, South Gate, South Whittier), March Air Force Base, Moreno Valley, Oxnard, Port Hueneme, Rialto, Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach & Redondo Beach, Santa Monica, Camarillo, Newbury Park, Thousand Oaks, Anaheim, Beverly Hills, Brea, La Habra, La Habra Heights, Yorba Linda, Calabasas, City of Chino, Chino Hills, Pomona, San Bernardino County, Boyle Heights, East Los Angeles, East San Fernando Valley, Antelope Valley / Edwards Air Force Base, Hemet, Idyllwild, Murrieta, San Jacinto, Temecula, Winchester, City of Los Angeles, Marina Del Rey, Agoura Hills, Fillmore, Moorpark, Oak Park, Oak View, Ojai, Westlake Village, Santa Paula, Simi Valley, Air Force Village West, Perris, Lake Matthews, Lakeview, Nuevo, Woodcrest, Beaumont, Calimesa, Colton, Highgrove, Highland, Mentone, Muscoy, Redlands, San Bernardino, Yucaipa, Ventura, West Hollywood, Canyon Country, San Fernando, Orange County, Santa Clarita & Stevenson Ranch, South Bay, South Pasadena & San Marino, Torrance and West Valley. It will continue to be carried in all other areas where it is already available.

NASA Channel will be added to the Choice Tier on channel 234 in Agoura Hills, Fillmore, Moorpark, Oak Park, Oak View, Ojai, Westlake Village, Santa Paula, Antelope Valley / Edwards Air Force Base, Artesia, Bell & Cudahy, Beverly Hills, Boyle Heights, East Los Angeles, Calabasas, Camarillo, Newbury Park, Thousand Oaks, Canyon Country, Carson, City of Los Angeles, Claremont, Compton: Athens, East Compton, Florence, Willowbrook, East San Fernando Valley, Harbor, Lomita: Harbor City, San Pedro, Wilmington, Hawaiian Gardens, Southeast Cities: Bell Gardens, Bellflower, Downey, La Mirada, Lynwood, Maywood, Paramount, Santa Fe Springs, Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach & Redondo Beach, Hollywood, Westchester: Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire, Windsor Hills, Inglewood, Lakewood, Marina Del Rey, Oxnard, Port Hueneme, San Fernando, San Gabriel Valley (Arcadia, Baldwin Park, Bradbury, El Monte, Diamond Bar, Glendora, Hacienda Heights, La Verne, La Puente, Monrovia, Pico Rivera, Rowland Heights, San Dimas, Sierra Madre, South Gate, South Whittier), Santa Clarita & Stevenson Ranch, Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, Santa Monica, Simi Valley, South Bay, South El Monte, South Los Angeles, South Pasadena & San Marino, Torrance, Ventura, West Hollywood and West Valley. It will continue to be carried in all other areas where it is already available.

In Canyon Country, Orange County, San Fernando, Santa Clarita & Stevenson Ranch, South Bay, South Pasadena & San Marino, Torrance and West Valley TAN Channel, which is currently available on channel 603, will also be available on channel 652.

In Agoura Hills, Fillmore, Moorpark, Oak Park, Oak View, Ojai, Westlake Village, Santa Paula, Air Force Village West, Perris, Lake Matthews, Lakeview, Nuevo, Woodcrest, Alta Loma, Bloomington, Fontana, Grand Terrace, Highland, Loma Linda, Montclair, Ontario, Pomona, Rancho Cucamonga, San Bernadino, San Antonio Heights, Upland, Anaheim, Antelope Valley / Edwards Air Force Base, Beaumont, Calimesa, Colton, Highgrove, Highland, Mentone, Muscoy, Redlands, San Bernardino, Yucaipa, Beverly Hills, Boyle Heights, East Los Angeles, Brea, La Habra, La Habra Heights, Yorba Linda, Buena Park, Fullerton, Newport Beach, Placentia, Santa Ana, Seal Beach, Calabasas, Camarillo, Newbury Park, Thousand Oaks, City of Chino, Chino Hills, Pomona, San Bernardino County, City of Los Angeles, East San Fernando Valley, Hemet, Idyllwild, Murrieta, San Jacinto, Temecula, Winchester, Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach & Redondo Beach, March Air Force Base, Moreno Valley, Marina Del Rey, Oxnard, Port Hueneme, Rialto, San Gabriel Valley (Arcadia, Baldwin Park, Bradbury, El Monte, Diamond Bar, Glendora, Hacienda Heights, La Verne, La Puente, Monrovia, Pico Rivera, Rowland Heights, San Dimas, Sierra Madre, South Gate, South Whittier), Santa Monica, Simi Valley, Ventura and West Hollywood MBC, which is currently available on channel 603, will also be available on channel 650.

In Artesia, Bell & Cudahy, Carson, Claremont, Compton: Athens, East Compton, Florence, Willowbrook, Corona, Covina, Pomona,: California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Corona, El Cerrito, Glenn Ivy, Horsethief Canyon, Lake Elsinore, Menifee, Murrieta, Murrieta Hot Springs, Riverside County, The Farm, Wild Rose, Costa Mesa, Cypress & La Palma, Harbor, Lomita: Harbor City, San Pedro, Wilmington, Hawaiian Gardens, Southeast Cities: Bell Gardens, Bellflower, Downey, La Mirada, Lynwood, Maywood, Paramount, Santa Fe Springs, Hollywood, Westchester: Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire, Windsor Hills, Homeland, Romoland, Inglewood, Lakewood, Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, South El Monte, South Los Angeles and Tustin, HANMI, which is currently available on channel 603, will also be available on channel 650.

TFC, which is currently available on channel 601, will also be available on channel 680.

TV Asia, which is currently available on channel 608, will also be available on channel 670.

Zee TV, which is currently available on channel 609, will also be available on channel 671.

In Artesia, Bell & Cudahy, Carson, Claremont, Compton, Athens, East Compton, Florence, Willowbrook, Corona, Covina, Pomona, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Corona, El Cerrito, Glenn Ivy, Horsethief Canyon, Lake Elsinore, Menifee, Murrieta, Murrieta Hot Springs, Riverside County, The Farm, Wild Rose, Costa Mesa, Cypress & La Palma, Harbor, Lomita, Harbor City, San Pedro, Wilmington, Hawaiian Gardens, Bell Gardens, Bellflower, Downey, La Mirada, Lynwood, Maywood, Paramount, Santa Fe Springs, Hollywood, Westchester: Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire, Windsor Hills, Homeland, Romoland, Inglewood, Lakewood, South El Monte, Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, South Los Angeles and Tustin GMA Pinoy, which is currently available on channel 602 will also be available on channel 681.

The following changes will be made on December 10th.

These services will be added to the following channels: Speed HD 468, ESPNU HD 467, Disney XD HD 461, The Weather Channel HD 454, AMC HD 480, E! HD 487, History International HD 455, IFC HD 480, Fuse HD 494, MSNBC HD 446, HLN HD 447, CBS College Sports HD 474, NBA TV HD 472, G4 HD 495 and TV One HD 498 will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in Buena Park, Fullerton, Newport Beach, Placentia, Santa Ana, Seal Beach, Alta Loma, Bloomington, Fontana, Grand Terrace, Highland, Loma Linda, Montclair, Ontario, Pomona, Rancho Cucamonga, San Bernadino, San Antonio Heights, Upland, San Gabriel Valley (Arcadia, Baldwin Park, Bradbury, El Monte, Diamond Bar, Glendora, Hacienda Heights, La Verne, La Puente, Monrovia, Pico Rivera, Rowland Heights, San Dimas, Sierra Madre, South Gate, South Whittier), March Air Force Base, Moreno Valley, Oxnard, Port Hueneme, Rialto, Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach & Redondo Beach, Santa Monica, Camarillo, Newbury Park, Thousand Oaks, Anaheim, Beverly Hills, Brea, La Habra, La Habra Heights, Yorba Linda, Calabasas, City of Chino, Chino Hills, Pomona, San Bernardino County, Boyle Heights, East Los Angeles, East San Fernando Valley, Antelope Valley / Edwards Air Force Base, Hemet, Idyllwild, Murrieta, San Jacinto, Temecula, Winchester, City of Los Angeles, Marina Del Rey, Agoura Hills, Fillmore, Moorpark, Oak Park, Oak View, Ojai, Westlake Village, Santa Paula, Simi Valley, Air Force Village West, Perris, Lake Matthews, Lakeview, Nuevo, Woodcrest, Beaumont, Calimesa, Colton, Highgrove, Highland, Mentone, Muscoy, Redlands, San Bernardino, Yucaipa, Ventura, West Hollywood, Canyon Country, San Fernando, Orange County, Santa Clarita & Stevenson Ranch, South Bay, South Pasadena & San Marino, Torrance and West Valley. They will remain in all the areas where they are already carried.

Sundance will move from the Choice Tier and Movie Tier to Variety Tier and Movie Tier.

NBA TV, channels 262 and 735, will be added to Variety Tier. It will continue to be available on Sports Tier also.

Playboy TV will move from channel 771 to channel 541. Playboy En Espanol will move from channel 772 to channel 542.

These services will be added to the following channels and service levels: KMEX HD, channel 400, Broadcast; KFTR HD, channel 399, Broadcast; ET Drama, channel 630, Premium; ET YOYO, channel 631, Premium; ET China, channel 632, Premium and KXLA 44.3, channel 659, Broadcast (digital format).

CCTV-9 will be removed from channel 155 but will remain on channel 636. ETTV Super will be removed from channel 606 but will remain on channel 633. CTI Zhong Tian Channel will be removed from channel 604 but will remain on channel 634. CCTV-4 will be removed from channel 605 but will remain on channel 635. C1R will be removed from channel 614 but will remain on channel 621. RTN will be removed form channel 615 but will remain on channel 622. TFC will be removed from channel 601 but will remain on channel 680. GMA Pinoy will be removed from channel 602 but will remain on channel 681. TAN will be removed from channel 603 but will remain on channel 652. MBC/HANMI will be removed from channel 603 but will remain on channel 650. TV Asia will be removed from channel 608 but will remain on channel 670. ZEE will be removed from channel 609 but will remain on channel 671.

TV Guide Channel in Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire and Windsor Hills will move from channel 28 to channel 29.

From December 16, 2009 through December 20, 2009 Showtime channel 552, Showtime HD channel 553 and Showtime On Demand on channel 1 will be viewable by all customers through a free preview. Showtime On Demand is also carried on channel 1006 in some areas. Some programs have adult content. If customers do not want to see the free preview, they can activate the parental controls on these channels or call 1-888-TWCABLE for more information.
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maartena @ 13th Nov 02:37PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

What totally SUCKS though is that "Orange County" gets a bunch of HD channels on December 10th..... but is NOT getting BBC America!
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rv65 @ 13th Nov 03:39PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

There's always next year.
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maartena @ 13th Nov 04:19PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by rv65 :

There's always next year.

I just don't get why a city right next door gets 20 HD channels (I did not count them) and my city gets say.... 15 or so, and some of them are completely different and not available in the first city.

For instance, I am getting ESPN-U HD, whereas the cities getting BBC America HD are NOT getting ESPN-U HD.

Eh what? :D

To be more specific, one group of cities is getting:

AMC HD 480
WE HD 486
E! HD 487
History International HD 455
IFC HD 480
Fuse HD 494
MSNBC HD 446
HLN HD 447
CBS College Sports HD 474
NBA TV HD 472
Outdoor Channel HD 499
G4 HD 495
TV One HD 498
Investigation Discovery HD 449
BBC America HD 448
WGN America HD 458
TCM HD 478
Style HD 488
HSN HD 489
QVC HD 490

While another group of cities are getting:

Speed HD 468
ESPNU HD 467
Disney XD HD 461
The Weather Channel HD 454
AMC HD 480
E! HD 487
History International HD 455
IFC HD 480
Fuse HD 494
MSNBC HD 446
HLN HD 447
CBS College Sports HD 474
NBA TV HD 472
G4 HD 495
TV One HD 498

I would understand if they just cut 5 channels in certain cities because their networks aren't quite ready yet.... but why are there difference in channel offerings from city to city, and will the city of Tustin, CA get the top 20, while the city next door, Orange, CA will get the bottom 15, and will get a number of channels that are completely different?

I'd rather change too, I much rather have BBC America HD than ESPN-U HD, I don't watch University Sports. :D

And I guess half of the southland gets to shop in HD, and the other half doesn't. :D (Not that I care much about those anyways...)

Well hey.... I get to watch car races and the weather in HD, while the other half of the southland doesn't. :D

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anon @ 13th Nov 05:00PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

The Former Comcast areas already have those channels, legacy TWC and former Adelphia are kind of playing catch up. This is mainly due to the fact that former Comcast areas don't carry the Basic Cable tier in analog.
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maartena @ 13th Nov 06:36PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Well that's what I don't get....

Comcast and Adephia areas have been TWC for what, three years now?

Why not work towards a channel set that is the same for everyone, instead of a patch-work of different channel lineups?

I understand local channels, city council channels and university channels that aren't available in other cities, but you can reserve a set of channels for those that are the same in most cities.

Other then that, channels should be the SAME for everyone paying the SAME amount of money. You can roll em out in phases so you don't have to troubleshoot the entire region at once, but this makes it seem like a big patchwork blanket.

Just start fresh with a whole new set of channel numbers. One that is the same for everyone.
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anon @ 13th Nov 07:40PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

That's what is happening, in fact the channels line ups are pretty much identical between the 3 different systems (for channels above 100). And they are all going to be getting the same channels TWC and Adelphia areas are some of the newly added channels and some of the channels that were added a little while ago to the Comcast areas (SpeedHD, EPSN-U, etc.)
In Comcast areas you always needed a box for the expanded basic service, while TWC and Adelphia offer it in Analog, so there is that extra bandwith already there.
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rv65 @ 14th Nov 12:31AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

I think the Cisco/SA areas will get SDV first then the Motorola areas. SDV has it's drawbacks and when it goes down you'll experience the Channel not available message.
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motorola870 @ 14th Nov 01:46AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by rv65 :

I think the Cisco/SA areas will get SDV first then the Motorola areas. SDV has it's drawbacks and when it goes down you'll experience the Channel not available message.

NOPE THEY SENT NOTICES TO MOTOROLA AREAS ALSO FO SDV STARTING ON DEC 8.
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anon @ 14th Nov 07:03PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

The SA areas in the North and Metro parts of SoCal already have, South SA areas will follow shortly.
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maartena @ 15th Nov 02:20PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Of course TWC's definition of "shortly" is roughly the same as their definition of "soon".

It annoys me that no one at TWC can ever give dates. You ask their customer support: "When we will have FSN and FSN Prime Ticket in HD" - they answer back "We have no clue" - and 6 hours later they change the announcement page to say they will be launching FSN and FSN PM a few days later on channel 463 and 464.

They probably aren't told anything, scared as they are that one of em might actually.... you know, tell a customer? :D
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hobgoblin @ 15th Nov 03:50PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

"They probably aren't told anything, scared as they are that one of em might actually.... you know, tell a customer? "

Dates change often and unfortunately until they are firmed up no one tells anyone anything. Its horrible customer service to tell customers the wrong date for something. This forum has seen many occasions where well meaning people were called liars as the dates changed.

Hob
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maartena @ 16th Nov 05:47PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by hobgoblin :

"They probably aren't told anything, scared as they are that one of em might actually.... you know, tell a customer? "

Dates change often and unfortunately until they are firmed up no one tells anyone anything. Its horrible customer service to tell customers the wrong date for something. This forum has seen many occasions where well meaning people were called liars as the dates changed.

Hob

Oh it gets better.

I once called customer service to ask about adding Sci-Fi HD, and the customr service kindly informed me that they did not have Sci-Fi HD in their current package, BUT that they would be offering several new HD channels such as CNN-HD and History Channel HD within the next few months.

The only problem was.... that Sci-Fi HD was already carried by them in several other cities.... and that I already had all of the channels in HD he rattled up that should be "coming in the next few months". I alsmost felt like taking on a discussion with this guy, but remembered quickly it was probably a waste of my time.

They aren't informed "when the dates are firmed up", they aren't told AT ALL.

And there is nothing wrong with customer service saying:

"The date is TENTATIVLY scheduled for then-and-then, but this planning hasn't got final approval yet so the date may change."

And they have done that in the past.... but that was before the big mess with the Adelphia and Comcast takeover happened and they merged the three customer service departments into 1, and fired a whole lot of em.

It works a whole lot better then.... "We know nothing, we know nothing, we know nothing....Oh hey guess what you got new channels last week!"
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hobgoblin @ 16th Nov 06:24PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

"And there is nothing wrong with customer service saying:

"The date is TENTATIVLY scheduled for then-and-then, but this planning hasn't got final approval yet so the date may change.""

There actually is plenty wrong with that. In most cases the only thing focused on is the date!

Were you an ex Adelphia, Comcast or Time Warner Customer?

Hob
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maartena @ 16th Nov 09:20PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Time Warner, always have been.

And yes, from 2002 when I first started the service till about 2006-7-ish, I had a hell of a lot better service then I have now.

Not so much in the quality of the service, because I still have a good speed, almost no downtime, and good quality HDTV.... but in the treatment of their customers.

I used to call their customer service, and they actually would be able to tell me when they were going to improve the speeds, or when they were going to release new channels. None of this "soon" crap, but an actual estimate of "Early January", or something along those lines.... and they would actually make that target date too.

Ever since the Adelphia/Comcast addition to Time Warner things have been mismanaged. I guess there is a reason they replaced the whole management here. ;)
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erpster797 @ 22nd Nov 10:44PM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

said by hobgoblin :

Were you an ex Adelphia, Comcast or Time Warner Customer?

Hob

well Hob, my family and I were former Comcast cable customers in mid-2006 before TWC took over in late summer 2006 in our area.

at last, MORE HD channels in the Hollywood/Wilshire area of Los Angeles including the long overdue WGN HD, NBA TV HD, AMC HD, Style HD and WE HD channels!

now TWC socal needs is to add the Spike HD channel in their SoCal HD lineup
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DaveT79 @ 24th Nov 12:36AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

Well,t his is a bit offtopic but I don't think it warrants its own topic.

Why is when I watch Family Guy on Sunday nights on KTTVD Fox 11 ...HD...channel 411....why is it always in SD. And YES, I'm sure I'm watching it on channel 411. Even has the Fox 11 HD bug in the corner of the screen.

I ask why...because it's always in SD yet when I watch Family Guy on Cartoon Network or TBS they are in proper HD. Doesn't make sense since it's a Fox show first!
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DaveT79 @ 24th Nov 12:38AM:
Re: New HDTV channels in Socal this fall

BTW, anyone else's Nickelodean HD, channel 459, not working since they launched the new channels in the LA area? Still tells me the channel shoudl be available shortly. Thinking maybe they just don't have that feed ready just yet, but I dunno.
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