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fcisler @ 15th Aug 10:34AM:
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Why, because it's a mess in his basement?
I haven't seen one of the wallplates...who cares what his basement looks like? As long as he is happy and it works, more power to him....
I would have fired him for doing a wiring job like that at my job, but again - it's apparently HIS house/office, so why judge?
Just curious....why a T1? You have a cable modem, correct?
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bobrk @ 15th Aug 12:38PM:
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Indeed, why waste all the money on a pro installation when it's just for personal use. Sheesh.
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jwersan @ 15th Aug 01:42PM:
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said by bobrk :
Indeed, why waste all the money on a pro installation when it's just for personal use. Sheesh.
I've seen PRO jobs that looked worse than that! :o
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anon @ 15th Aug 04:58PM:
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The reason that one hires a professional is not whether or not it's for personal use. It's to ensure that standards are met, codes are followed, and that the thing will work reliably.
Using your reasoning, I suppose that you'd do your own dentistry if you could just get that darned mirror positioned correctly.
Do it yourself, if you must, but why not make it as close to a professional job as possible? Read up on the standards, study other installations, understand that neatness counts. "If it looks good, it'll work good."
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madmax2000 @ 15th Aug 05:23PM:
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Funny, I do go to a dentist anyway i leave anything medical like to the pro's, Why dont you register on dslreports because anon posters are mostly trolls.
On my gen I ordered I will be having an electrical contractor install it with a 200amp automatic transfer switch with natural gas supplies.
I orderd a Generac Guardian Standby Generator. 20kw 120 / 240volt
Anyways, Everything works correctly, and I'm happy with the job since I done it myself, because I wanted to, I had all the low voltage cableing inspected by the code department and everything was up to code on the low voltage. The rest of the wireing is going to be replaced this fall and will be brought up to current code as it was all grand fathered in.
But thanks for all the advice on the equipment, I'm going to do some better cable mgmt on the rack as I'm going from those machines to three dell pe 2650 rackmount servers
in reply to fcisler, the cable modem was removed from service.
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53059959 @ 15th Aug 07:23PM:
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sweet fuckin swetup man! +1 for setting up a working electrical backup system
you can be pwning n00bs and enjoying a cold beer while your neighbors are trying to boil water
ignore that arthur bloom guy, hes a tool and is an electrical code nazi on a bunch of other internet forums
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jeffmoss26 @ 15th Aug 09:06PM:
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Funny, it used to be that those with many years of knowledge and expertise were respected in their industry. Now you call those people an 'electrical code nazi'
Hmm...
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anon @ 15th Aug 09:46PM:
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Arthur P. Bloom is my name. Why would you say that I'm anonymous?
And by the way, some Jews don't like being called Nazi's. There was that litle unpleasantness back in the 30's and 40's. You may have read about it in school...oh wait...probably the same school that taught you how to spell "wireing"...nevermind.
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Sandman5 @ 16th Aug 01:53AM:
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said by Arthur P Bloom :
Arthur P. Bloom is my name. Why would you say that I'm anonymous?
You're anonymous because you haven't registered an account on this site.
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hbiss @ 16th Aug 09:57PM:
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I will agree that you don't need a professional installer BUT you could have at least taken the time to see what a professional installation looks like and learn something from it. Obviously you just don't know any better- much like a kid posting pictures of his untidy room and being proud of it. Sorry to say but this is one God awful mess.
This is not meant to be a put-down but rather constructive criticism. This may be your own house but the old addage "anything worth doing is worth doing properly" is still something to remember. It wouldn't have taken you any more time or cost you more money to do this the right way and the knowledge you gained from it could be invaluable.
There are lots of resources on the web and manufacturers make all kinds of materials available. Do a little research, make it a learning experience.
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anon @ 17th Aug 02:07AM:
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I must agree that this is by far one of the sloppiest installations that I've ever seen. I'd surely not be posting pictures of it, in fact I'd be keeping it behind a locked door so that people would NOT see it. Sorry, pal, but I don't believe in beating around the bush.
I also do not believe that this installation passed an electrical inspection. I can see several violations of the National Electrical Code in one photo alone. I think you are telling us a tall tale about this installation having passed any kind of inspection, but you can stick with that if it makes you feel better. We are not here to judge you, only to offer suggestions.
"Contractor packs"? That is a term given to DIY's to encourage them to buy more than they really need for a job at retail pricing levels. Professionals purchase their hardware in bulk and typically resell the product to customers at a price lower than your "contractor pack" pricing.
Look, there is nothing wrong with doing your own thing and believing that it is done correctly. If it works for you, then that is what is important. You got what you paid for, you got a little bit of experience in doing it and probably have some ideas about how to do the next one even better.
My concern is that you have spent so much time with computers and you have such a poor command of proper English. That, not your wiring job, makes you look less than qualified. Sorry, but words like "wiring" (not wireing) should have been understood by the sixth grade. If nothing else, a decent spell checker should be deployed in your future communication with the rest of the world. What is worse is that this site itself even offers a spell check program before you post.
Coming along bragging about what you know when half of what you type is misspelled makes this whole situation look even worse. Please take this as constructive criticism.
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madmax2000 @ 17th Aug 03:24AM:
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I don't care oh well most people are just jealous of what other people have, Seems like all the anon posters just come out of the wood work, when someone is jealous, if you don't like what you see move on.
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anon @ 18th Aug 11:44AM:
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It does not look that bad for what appears to be a first time wiring job.
However you should really move the high voltage lines away from the low voltage lines, I can cause induction on the low voltage lines.
I'm not 100% sure of the code on this, but I think the nec requires 3 inch's.
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bobrk @ 18th Aug 12:19PM:
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said by notthatterrible :
It does not look that bad for what appears to be a first time wiring job.
However you should really move the high voltage lines away from the low voltage lines, I can cause induction on the low voltage lines.
I'm not 100% sure of the code on this, but I think the nec requires 3 inch's.
Or crossing at a 90° angle, too, right?
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morpheus6d9 @ 19th Aug 03:54PM:
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how hard was it wiring a house that age also can show pics of the outlets.
thanks
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AMD Phreak @ 19th Aug 11:51PM:
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Nice job OP. Looks good.
And to those posting negative things: Stop hating.
I see worse jobs in supposedly professional comm rooms, server rooms, co-location centers, and wiring closets all the time. I'd expect perfection in those places, not in someones home.
And in my own personal experience, licensed electricians are the last person on the planet to trust structured wiring to, unless they have been explicitly trained or started out in SW or datacom before transitioning to electrical. I've seen more screwed up drops, runs, and patches done by electricians than by an uneducated "IT guy".
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madmax2000 @ 20th Aug 12:06PM:
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I'll get some pictures posting of the new cabinet and outlets sometime today for you, it was not to bad only problem was most of the original power outlets was cut into the edge board and we had to go into the wall.
90% of the house was plaster board
We are going to run the rest of the outlets this weekend 12 more data and 12 more phone and 6 catv lines
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jeffmoss26 @ 21st Aug 01:22AM:
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FYI, in many places you have to be licensed as an electrical contractor to pull a permit for installing low voltage cabling. However you are right that a lot of people who only do electrical work do not do low voltage work very well.
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yaplej @ 24th Aug 01:36PM:
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Normally if you own the house you can pull a low voltage permit, and do it yourself. Thats what I did.
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weeksben1 @ 28th Aug 03:36PM:
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That looks like a complete mess, I'm questioning why you didn't hire a professional low-voltage wiring contractor to handle the job. Yes, it may cost some money, but you'll know it was done correctly (and up to code in your locality).
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erikthebean @ 28th Aug 11:13PM:
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Theirs nothing really wrong with the wiring...of course theirs some things i would have done differently like the 66 block with the older phone wiring connected to the jack to the left of it and the electrical tape..but its not horrible...theirs no need to stomp on people
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bobrk @ 29th Aug 02:09PM:
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I mean really. The hate filled vitriol in this thread is amazing. The guy hooked up his stuff in a little more organized manner than most people do. So it's not a CO. BFD. :uhh:
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Dslam @ 31st Aug 07:49AM:
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Ok, I will agree that it is not the neatest install, but jeezus people, anyone ever tried building something just for the sake of seeing if (A) you can and (B)it will work? Obviously the OP must have some sort of knowledge of installs because of what was attempted and if it works, it's a success. Everyone else who looked over the pics might be inspired or get an idea from what this person did. If the posters who dissed the install as un-professional would stop and think that some people on here (myself included) enjoy a good build not for the end result but for the sheer enjoyment of the process.
Thumbs up for me. Way to go.
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bryandj23 @ 8th Sep 05:04PM:
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Kudos to the OP. Nice job.
FU to those bitching cuz they didn't get the call to do the install. I'll bet when the OP was done, he sat back, cracked a beer, and felt damn proud.
How did your very FIRST install look?
I'll await the photos.
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anon @ 10th Sep 12:22AM:
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:\ I think this is where it's coming from
»www.sundance-communications.com/···l#000013
I guess they refer to us as "sparkies" and in a very condescending way
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Dslam @ 14th Sep 07:50AM:
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When I saw the avatar of EV607797 on that site the first thing that came to mind was the WoW player on South Park's Make Love Not Warcraft episode. I guess that site must be some sort of circle jerk for the elite...(deleted) Imagine if you will a Simpson's episode with the professor and the comic book collector discussing the OP's install. The script would write itself..
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LightSpan @ 14th Sep 11:39AM:
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Why don't you go back to you pbx forum and sell some under rated phone system's.At least he did his own install.Oh about the hook's comment,My company has a weight limit of 275pnd's,so i guess you won't be on them :p
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Cixelsyd @ 14th Sep 01:38PM:
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After watching this topic become a source of contention with many people, I thought I might throw my two cents in.
Kudos to him for doing it! It is way more challenging than I would ever attempt. I give him a thumbs up!
To all those professionals out there who are complaining about the quality of his work...remember he didn't get paid to do it. I have to agree that he probably cracked a beer and admired his work.
If I had the ability to that to my house I would. Why pay for something if you can do it yourself. In all actuality I would hire a professional to do that to my house because I don't, in fact, have the knowledge to pull something like that off.
Once again....well done!
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jeffmoss26 @ 14th Sep 08:42PM:
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I am terribly sorry that some of us are professionals who were taught how to do a proper job. It really disappoints me that you seem to think it is okay to do a sub-par job 'just because it is in his house' I'll continue to do my work the right way regardless of where the job is.
I think I am going to go install a new sink with a 1/2 inch pipe for a drain. Remember, it's only my house so it shouldn't matter.
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anon @ 14th Sep 09:08PM:
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OMG. After looking at those pics, I threw up in my mouth a little...
There is NO WAY a code inspector allowed that goat-hump.
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Dslam @ 14th Sep 10:30PM:
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We amateurs have to stick together. WE ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL INSTALLERS! I can't imagine yelling at my kids for making a model in lego that is not to scale or drawing something that doesn't look like much of anything. Shame on those who criticize the OP's work. I would assume that those on the other site that think it is a sub-standard install also have perfectly clean houses, a lawn that resembles a golf green and a herd of Doogie Howser's running about splitting the atom and curing the world's diseases. For Christ's sake, it's an install, perfect, no, his or her own, yes.
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DaMaGeINC @ 14th Sep 11:51PM:
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Here Here!
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jeffmoss26 @ 15th Sep 01:31AM:
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I give up, you guys win. Have fun.
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anon @ 15th Sep 05:28PM:
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Wow, I read that forum link posted and I must say I laughed quite hard at them calling us nerds - I'd much rather be a nerd than an arrogant fool.
I believe in the fact that you live and learn, I installed my own houses structured wiring during a remodel, I made mistakes on my own system, I learned and fixed them, sure - not I'm not a professional, would I attempt to install anything on anyone else's house? no.
But I'm quite happy with how my system turned out, and I've learned a ton from when I did it, and with that I am happy.
I would hope that anyone that does attempt to do anything their self would follow the proper codes and read up on proper methods used, however some times you just live and learn.
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anon @ 15th Sep 08:31PM:
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said by jeffmoss26 :
I am terribly sorry that some of us are professionals who were taught how to do a proper job. It really disappoints me that you seem to think it is okay to do a sub-par job 'just because it is in his house'
Dude people in glass houses shouldn't through stones.
Regarding this thread »www.sundance-communications.com/···544.html, there are major oversights you did, that any professional telecom specialist would not overlook.
First of all, you removed the terminal blocks / surge suppressors (probably for aesthetic reasons), which is not a smart move. Those devices are there for a reason. They may be older, but they still do the job. You just eliminated another protection device.
Secondly, why are you using a 66 block for residential wiring? A 66 block is not intended as a 2-pair distribution block. The "jumper wires" that you have connecting the jumpers together are (I'm sorry) pretty half-assed. Use a proper residential distribution block, intended to distribute 2-pair (RG/BW or WO/WB wiring).
madmax2000 came here to show us his wiring/network setup as he thought we would be interested to see it (as what this forum is for, and which we are). He did not come here saying that his setup was "THE PERFECT NETWORK/TELECOM SETUP EVER AND EVERYTHING ELSE SUCKS". Meanwhile, instead of providing constructive criticism, you tried to become a big shot on your other forum and attack him for nonsense reasons. Just because you may be paid to do this type of work, doesn't mean you are above anyone else.
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jeffmoss26 @ 15th Sep 08:39PM:
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Let's see...
1) the wiring comes in through the cable company EMTA, if you read my post, you would have seen that. There is no need for the old telco protectors.
2) I do not use residential phone wiring blocks. I don't install 1 foot square metal boxes with tiny modules crammed inside. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a 66 block for distributing one line to multiple locations. What happens when you run out of ports on your residential module? Where are you going to put it, outside of the box?
I can fit 50 phone jacks on one 50 pair 66 block. You do the math.
EDIT. I'm sorry, how do you 'through' a stone? I think you meant throw?
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MadMANN @ 15th Sep 09:53PM:
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anon @ 16th Sep 08:47AM:
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as an IT guy who has slowly been moving to wiring and telecom installs (with a company i am NOT a trunk slammer) i have to say, your server rack is a nice setup. The cables, well that is another story. Even in my house when i wasnt doing professional cable jobs i would make sure it was tidier than that. The guys from the other forum, myself included, just want you to know that is just not the way to do things, everyone knows when you feel you have done a job right you can go do other jobs, and that is where the trouble starts. I have gone into places where "the guys brother in law dabbles in cables" and i am met with this. First thing i tell them is its comming out. I will even give them business cards of competitors for the cabling so they know im not trying to rip them off. when the cables are clean then i will install any IT or phone equipment.
just my 2 cents
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MadMANN @ 16th Sep 08:08PM:
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said by sparkie :
First of all, you removed the terminal blocks / surge suppressors (probably for aesthetic reasons), which is not a smart move. Those devices are there for a reason. They may be older, but they still do the job. You just eliminated another protection device.
Not completely accurate. Ask any telephone company tech and he'll tell you that the carbons and ground from those blocks need to be removed if there is an up to date NID installed before it which is already grounded. Two different grounds can result in problems. Most of those carbon protectors were installed while it was still ok to ground anywhere on a cold water pipe as opposed to the common power bond, not to mention the #18 ground wire that would now be against the new NEC code. Therefore, even if his service was coming from the ILEC, which it is not, if there was a NID before it, those blocks would be used only as a connection block with no protection. Now, if the telco hasn't been to the address in years and never installed a NID, you would be correct that there is no protection there.
In his case, however, his service comes from the cable company, which should be grounded at the service grounding block to the power ground and the mta would be grounded via the power outlet. The carbon block is not needed for any further protection and can, in fact, cause problems if left there.
Either way you slice it, one can not deny the after picture looks much better than the before. If you want to leave your carbon protector in your home, then more power to ya.
As far as criticizing about the 66 block, you pretty much contradict yourself in that you are doing the same exact thing that you came here to bash him for. Everyone has different ways of doing things and each have their own professional opinions. His job is now nice and clean as oppossed to a spaghetti mess. Those 66 blocks can be used for multiple purposes and not just what you think they are intended for.
As far as the OP is concerned, as he says, he wouldn't do this in someone else's home, but this is the first time he attempted doing something like this, so I say "not bad". Of course a professional would do better, since hopefully the professional would be getting paid to do a better job, not to mention having the experience and tools to do the job.
As a professional tech that has been in telecom for 10 years who has a lot of experience in structured wiring, including fiber and copper data, voice, and video, along with various associated hardware and software, I have run into hack jobs a lot and I have seen so-called pro installs done a lot worse than what I see in those pictures. If I were at the OPs house for a service call because of something he did there, then I would have no choice but to fix it and educate him a little about what caused it. Other than that, it has no bearing on my life.
The way I look at it is if it doesn't affect you, then STFU. And if you do have an opinion, the least that can be done is make it constructive rather than personally insulting. I can just imagine the reaction some of you people would have if you were doing something for the first time and some asshole would come out and say, "Hey dumbass!! You are doing that all wrong! IDIOT!"
How about, "Hey man, do you mind if I show you an easier/better way?" Of course, that is not in some people's nature. It is much more modern human to arrogantly walk through life and think that your way is the only and best way, while judging and ridiculing those who disagree.
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bchapman @ 6th Oct 12:21AM:
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OP, good for you!
I read the aggravating posts on sundance-communications.com every few weeks -often times it pisses me off because of their combination of idiocy and arrogance. People like hbiss (the nazi looking guy) and mosscomm are real mental midgets.
You tried, and I commend you. Is it perfect? No. But, what is? Your work is much better than many "professionals" in my market.
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jeffmoss26 @ 7th Oct 01:31PM:
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asjamias @ 10th Oct 09:46AM:
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nice...a few velco straps should help in keeping things neat but overall it looks good.
don't listen to the other guys here who still uses CAT3 wire for voice with a pair of 66 block when you can upgrade to CAT5 and a patch panel.
apparently, they're just too shy to show their own work of old school wiring.
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Killa200 @ 10th Oct 03:02PM:
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Only things i could really suggest is thow a patch panel in the rack and do some tidying up of the rear just work future work sake.
All in all, even though its not up to my anal retentive standards... lol, I'd say this is still a lot better than most install i see go up around here by the "pro's".
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