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anon @ 6th Sep 09:17PM:
[Windsor] Cogeco super slow at night.
It's fine in the day, I'll get like 10 mbps during the day time but when it's peak times (7:00pm ish) this is what happens. It gets worst as the night goes on as well. Downloading stuff becomes absurdly slow. It's very annoying.
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Phorkster @ 7th Sep 12:05AM:
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I dunno man. Don't rely on speedtests. I get pretty solid DLs at all times. Other than that look at the FAQs and post the answers so the tech here can help you out.
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anon @ 7th Sep 03:11PM:
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Well the speed test seem right. I'll try downloading patches for my games and I'll be downloading at 100 kbps during peak times. The earlier in the day it is the better the connection.
Im paying for 14 mbps, why do I only get 2 mbps?? Honestly an answer like "we know and were working on it" would be cool. There are other ISPs out there but I've been with cogeco for awhile...
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Phorkster @ 7th Sep 04:11PM:
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Don't expect an answer without the required information.
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anon @ 7th Sep 05:28PM:
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*sigh*
1.)What, specifically, is your issue?
Super slow internet.
2.)How long has this issue been going on?
At least a week.
3.)Is there a specific time of day that this issue is most prevalent? It's seems all day now. My speed right now is apparently at 0.80 mb.
4.)If this is related to internet connectivity (ie: NOT mail, usenet, etc) -do you have more than one computer? Yes
If so, is the problem prevalent on both? Yes
-do you have cable TV? If so, is there any reception degradation..what channels? Nope.
5.)Have you contacted customer support about this problem? If so, what did they say? Reset my modem.
6.)What troubleshooting steps have you taken to resolve this problem? Reset my modem..
Is the the required information? It seems my speed is even slow now. Time to switch ISPs?
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anon @ 7th Sep 05:28PM:
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This is panful.
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hagbard72 @ 7th Sep 05:39PM:
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According to speedtest, mine is way down over normal as well. Lately been averaging 13mb/s, half that now.
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anon @ 7th Sep 05:45PM:
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I wish mine was half of what I get. 0.40 mbps? REALLY?
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hagbard72 @ 8th Sep 12:06PM:
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I got speeds like that through most of the winter. They said it would be fixed soon, by soon, they meant three months. They did fix it, till now.
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JesusBeamz @ 14th Sep 12:25PM:
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I did notice some 500+ pings last night, around 9pm.
Windsor area.
Please fix.
Thanks.
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anon @ 14th Sep 09:11PM:
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Called Cogeco and at first, they were going to send in a guy at like 1:00 pm. I told them I want the guy to be here when the internet is slow so he can see the problem. He'll be coming on the 25th, from 5-7pm. Hopefully he just doesn't replace the modem to make it look like he is doing something. This problem is still persisting and it's getting annoying.
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Advocat @ 15th Sep 09:03AM:
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I'm finding the same issue over the last while (e.g. last night download speed dropped to 2000 kbps; this morning its 15,000).
I've been with Cogeco a long time, and been through this particular mill before. When download speeds drop only during peak use periods (upload speeds remain steady at all times), you know the cause is congestion.
No, I'm not going to call tech support -- who will, by script, not because they see a particular problem -- say a tech has to come out and check my modem/line. I'm not going to waste my time, nor their's, only to be told "Your equipment is fine, it must be a problem downstream". Unless they're going to try and tell me my modem or hardline knows what time of day it is...
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt... many, many times.
I'm posting this simply to let people know that they're not crazy when they see this result in the Windsor region. It's happening, obviously, to multiple people. So long as I'm able to work (I have a business account) I give Cogeco time to implement whatever fixes -- add lines, split nodes, etc. -- they need to make. It's part of the ups and downs of using a growing/developing service.
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anon @ 15th Sep 02:39PM:
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anon @ 15th Sep 03:59PM:
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I knew it was congestion *sigh*
I'm just disappointed how Customer Support has to lie to me on the phone and BS with me. "Oh noo the area isn't congested! What are you talking about?" If it was my modem why would it be amazing at 3:00 am but slow at 3:45? It's getting RIDICULOUS now. Today at 3:45 the speed is at 3 mb/s. It's already becoming slow. I'm supposed to be paying for 14 mb/s. I should get refunded some money. I think I'm willing to stick out for maybe another month tops. Then I'm done with Cogeco.
I should switch to the Lite version. I'm getting 3 mb/s right now. Save some money.
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hsm84 @ 20th Sep 10:22PM:
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I'm on cogeco too in windsor and today was ridiculous trying to play cod on the ps3. Piece of crap kept disconnecting and crappiest most laggy ping ever. And trust me it wasn't the server, it was my connection.
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anon @ 20th Sep 10:59PM:
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mine has always been fast up until a few days ago...... now its so freaking slow i don't have the patience to wait 2min for a website to appear!!! there has to something better than cogeco in the windsor area, anybody use bell ?? how is it ?
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Airwolf @ 20th Sep 11:35PM:
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Where are you people located?
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anon @ 21st Sep 12:06AM:
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hagbard72 @ 21st Sep 07:01AM:
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Try Teksavvy.
»www.teksavvy.com/en/index.asp
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anon @ 21st Sep 08:30AM:
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Bell is a thousand times worse.
Guys when your testing your speed, you should try different test site one right after the other. Don't rely on just one as that site maybe "congested".
As for UL and DL speeds. If you read the "fine print" it says a max of 14mbs.
Trust me I am not defending cogeco, but I have tried most other ISP in our area and at this point there the best option.
Bells phone lines and switching stations are old and crap in this area, so it worse on that front.
For those that say "There are other DSL providers here!", on who's actual lines does the data travel through? Bells, so other DSL providers are going to be just as crapy but they can blame bells lines to there customers.
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Advocat @ 21st Sep 08:41AM:
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said by Airwolf :
Where are you people located?
East side, between Jefferson and Lauzon Parkway.
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anon @ 21st Sep 12:22PM:
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look at my above post, the difference in times of day and speed are ridiculous at best
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anon @ 21st Sep 04:02PM:
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..... speedtest has korea ranked #1 by country for average download speed at 21.43mb/s .. holy crow thats quick !!!! why are we in us/canada so far behind??
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anon @ 21st Sep 05:21PM:
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I have the exact same problem as you luey.
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anon @ 21st Sep 06:19PM:
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ya this really sucks, i'm about ready to switch but afraid i'll run into the same crap elsewhere.... i called cogego and they said they would send a service tech out i said don't bother, pretty sure i already know the problem......congestion...... i got the runaround about nothing being wrong in my area.....what a crock. i have a friend coming into town this weekend who's an IT tech , i'll have him check it out as he knows alot more than i do bout this kinda thing, then i'll be 100% sure its not my pc 98% sure now lol
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hagbard72 @ 21st Sep 09:13PM:
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Teksavvy has a lot of supporters because of the level of customer service. They're are more consistent (from what I'm told) than is Cogeco (from my own experience). Last winter I was getting awful download speeds, and the best Cogeco could offer was "will fix it in three months". No discount, no refund for paying premium prices for lite service download speeds.
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Kamuix @ 21st Sep 11:51PM:
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I was getting the exact same for about a week now, between 2000 and 3000. i reset things and did stuff. nothing. then i reset my router back to default settings and BOOM it works!
Make sure you reset stuff too!
Best wishes!
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anon @ 26th Sep 10:45PM:
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anon @ 27th Sep 09:35PM:
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said by Dwayne :
Bell is a thousand times worse.
As for UL and DL speeds. If you read the "fine print" it says a max of 14mbs.
Trust me I am not defending cogeco, but I have tried most other ISP in our area and at this point there the best option.
Bells phone lines and switching stations are old and crap in this area, so it worse on that front.
For those that say "There are other DSL providers here!", on who's actual lines does the data travel through? Bells, so other DSL providers are going to be just as crapy but they can blame bells lines to there customers.
Although I'm in Sarnia I get the exact same issues. At time during peak hours download rate can be as low as 500KBps.
Even though they list 14MBps as a possible MAX, the real problem is there is no minimum guaranteed rate. I'm sure a lot of people are like me and don't really care if we get 14MBps but would be satisfied with a consistent 4MBps so we can at least use some of the common media services on the Net these days.
I don't know how things are these days but when I had DSL from Bell over 10 years ago I got a consistent 3Mbps and never noticed any dramatic slowdowns this crippling. (Switch to Cogeco when moving and was happy until the last 2 months when the DL rates dramatically starting dropping in peak hours.)
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jeisenberg @ 27th Sep 11:23PM:
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Tonight is the slowest that I have personally observed in quite some time. Not super slow, relative to some other complaints (about 8400 down), but still, when I've grown accustomed to nearly 14000, 8400 seems slow.
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mt99808 @ 28th Sep 09:15PM:
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I feel your pain guys. I moved from Windsor to Chatham 2 years ago and almost immediately started experiencing slow internet. It started out with what you guys are experiencing and got progressively worse to the point where i recorded videos of it taking 11 minutes for a web page to fully load. Cogeco denied, denied, denied there was any issue. They always sent the same technician and finally he spilled the beans to me that they had been experiencing node congestion on my node for almost 2 years.
I know people say it doesn't work but I filed a complaint with the CCTS noting my complete experience and my problem was fixed within 3 weeks of the time Cogeco had to respond to the complaint along with a full 6 month credit. My service has been unreal since then save for the caps.
This is my speed now at 9 PM. I can get d/l speeds of 1.7 mb/s on utorrent in the evenings.
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jetdog @ 4th Oct 09:25PM:
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HOLY CRAP.
(Downtown Windsor here)
I was here ~ 8 months ago, and we had their introductory business package at the time (Business Starter -> 7MBps). Was getting around 1000 kb/s download rate, including torrents.
NOW: We upgraded to the HIGHEST package cogeco has - the Business Enterprise Package - with 15 IP's, supposed to be at 16MB/s @ 200$ per MONTH! I barely ever get anything even close to 1MB/s. Right now, it's about 9:00PM, and we're getting around 200KB/S. I WANT 90% of my money back!!! We're running DD-WRT, with a professionally-configured maximum efficiency-setup (i.e. disabled stateful firewalls, dropped unneeded services like webadmin, etc) - and I'm one of the best network-educated guys that I know of.
:mad: FAIL cogeco. It is now October. You have thrown away ONE MONTH of all of windsor's internet income towards your company since I have returned to this city to find this problem, and the internet is STILL not fixed.
:o (Actually, there was a brief 10-minute all-internet-services downtime today - and their Business VoIP is still down, so perhaps they're fixing something?)
I should ask actually. We're one of their top customers, so they almost always give it to me straight :)
Good luck all!
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jeisenberg @ 4th Oct 10:26PM:
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I'm currently experiencing one of the worst download speeds I've seen in many months (if not years). My last speed test about three minutes ago was 6800 down (I'm usually in the 13000 - 14000 range for most tests).
Very unhappy at the moment :(
Edit: Just checked my testing history. This is the lowest still on record for the previous six months. Next-lowest speed was 8200 (experienced twice within the past six months).
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jetdog @ 5th Oct 02:39AM:
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Wow... epic win... 2:38 AM right now (can't believe it's the same day...), after my earlier post around 9:00PM, I GOT THIS :D:
Let's hope this stays tomorrow evening :p
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JesusBeamz @ 5th Oct 10:21AM:
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epic win? lol... its called congestion, and this does not exist at 2:38 am
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jetdog @ 5th Oct 09:29PM:
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said by JesusBeamz :
epic win? lol... its called congestion, and this does not exist at 2:38 am
(Windsor) I just did this, after an AWESOME nap, and woke up OH heavens! Around 9:00PM. Compared to my earlier post, they must have fixed something during that earlier 10 minute downtime. Muhaha... WIN! :D
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Moussi @ 5th Oct 10:25PM:
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well a month later and the problem persists.
This is pathetic and absurd.
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Airwolf @ 6th Oct 09:11AM:
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Keep calling them. That's the only way you'll get some attention to the matter.
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JesusBeamz @ 6th Oct 10:59AM:
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maybe they did fix something, cogeco went down last night for a couple of mins, then it was fast after my modem reset... hmmm we'll have to wait and see
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ubikz @ 14th Oct 07:15PM:
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I've been reading this thread with interest since it started. I also am in Sarnia (like Headrush69) and not Windsor but have been experiencing the same slowdowns daily during prime time, getting as low as 1-3 Mbps instead of the usual 13-16 Mbps I get during the daytime. I figure I may as well just add in a complaint here, for the record.
I realize we are paying for "up to" a certain speed but IMHO when a customer is receiving under 20% of advertised service capability for weeks on end it's entered the realm of unacceptable. Continued "congestion" should result in reduced billing: a company unable to produce at least, say, 40% of advertised quality for a whole month shouldn't expect to be paid 100% of a bill. Simple.
Of course I don't expect THAT to happen... I'd simply settle for the company acknowledging the problem actually exists.
Still waiting for channel 755 Newsworld HD to be activated in our area too...
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Advocat @ 14th Oct 07:57PM:
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It's getting to the point I have to agree... it's time to start getting customer service to give a refund...
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Brades @ 15th Oct 08:11PM:
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im on pro
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roxx @ 17th Oct 06:32PM:
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Ridgeway is no better ... this is on a Soho business acct....
2am-8am in the morning.... Max speeds.... Come the evening thats what I see everyday.... I agree credit should be in order...
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averagecdn @ 20th Oct 05:06PM:
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Something is definitely happening in windsor... There are too many people all complaining about slow speeds. just a question but what areas of Windsor are you guys in... I am 5 minutes from Fogolar Furlan....
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Moussi @ 20th Oct 06:58PM:
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Well Cogeco tells me that their going to split a node sometime this month and it will all be better. Apparently the area is congested.
NO WAY. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?
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anon @ 20th Oct 07:44PM:
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Here in Wallaceburg, there is a definate slowdown with my Cogeco connection.
I used to buy games via Steam with 1-1.2 MB/s downloads and now it's hovering around 200k. Streaming video is laggin, and gaming is the worst it's been.
I hope they get this fixed soon.
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averagecdn @ 20th Oct 09:27PM:
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Splitting a node again? Damn.... they just did that within the past year or 2 here in Windsor.
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jeisenberg @ 23rd Oct 11:54AM:
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I guess with all the unemployment here these days, more people have more time to sit home and muck about on the internet!
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HeadSpinning @ 23rd Oct 08:22PM:
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said by averagecdn :
Splitting a node again? Damn.... they just did that within the past year or 2 here in Windsor.
Windsor probably has had dozens of node splits over the past 2 years. There are probably hundreds of nodes in the Windsor area alone.
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averagecdn @ 24th Oct 09:30AM:
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Ok so a technician was just here and reported that they were having problems with the node in the area of Fogolar Furlan.... This mornings tests were consistently approximately 14/1
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Airwolf @ 24th Oct 11:38AM:
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said by averagecdn :
Ok so a technician was just here and reported that they were having problems with the node in the area of Fogolar Furlan.... This mornings tests were consistently approximately 14/1
Interesting. I'm near there.
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Moussi @ 24th Oct 01:35PM:
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guys, if I were you right now I'd try to get a refund over the phone. I was able to get credited for a month so far.
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anon @ 26th Oct 12:54AM:
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I am in Sarnia as a couple of these guys on stardard (14mb) and right now at 12:46am I am getting about 1.6mb download and 0.68 upload when it should be 14mb down and 1 upload. I have been dealing with this for over 3 months now and called numerous times, at first the tech said they were working on it and it would be fixed within a month.. a month later I called and the tech said the other tech was misinformed about the date when it should be done and they sent out a guy who tested my modem for all of 2 minutes and left saying the whole area is slowed down. I called back a month later and now the tech is saying they have something planned for november to fix the net in the Sarnia area.
I am getting the feeling I am being jerked around big time and starting to get really really upset about it because during prime time I usually get under 1mb download and if I play any game I am getting ping like im from over seas and its laggy as anything. I am calling in november and if I get the same jerking around I am canceling on the spot and will deal with bell.. I know its probably just as bad but I am sick of cogeco at this point and their jerking me around.
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anon @ 26th Oct 01:08AM:
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said by khronlk :
I am canceling on the spot and will deal with bell..
Go to the Bell forum for a taste of the world of hurt you are in for.
Cogeco may be a lot of things but they don't commit outright fraud on their customers.
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averagecdn @ 26th Oct 10:18AM:
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Yes you appear to be having alot of problems but I need to clarify some information.
1.6mb download and 0.68 upload when it should be 14mb down and 1 upload
Just to clarify if you are on the Cogeco Std you should see 14/1 which would be 1400kb/sec and 1000k/up or 1.4 megabytes down and 1 megabyte up which is what most people get.......now these are just a range and they will tell you that you can get up to those speeds and that they make no guarantees..
Have you tried contacting the office of the president @ cogeco.. If technical support and manager are unwilling or just feeding you crap... take it to the office office of the president and I am sure you will get something done....
Let me know how it turns out.
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Marcer @ 26th Oct 10:54AM:
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said by averagecdn :
Just to clarify if you are on the Cogeco Std you should see 14/1 which would be 1400kb/sec and 1000k/up or 1.4 megabytes down and 1 megabyte up which is what most people get
To Clarify the clarification correctly...
14/1 is 14 megaBIT down and 1 megaBIT up
which is 1.750 megaBYTE down and 0.125 megaBYTE up or 1750/125 kiloBYTE down/up
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anon @ 26th Oct 07:20PM:
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To averagecdn
Yeah I am on standard which should be 14000kb down and 1000kb up not 1400kb down and 1000kb up. I just did a speed test as of 7:05pm here and I got 1550 download and 1000 upload, was testing last night and it wasn't until 3:30am here that I could get at least 8000kb download. Funny thing is my friend who has the exact same service (standard) was getting 8000kb download at 10pm last night while I could only get then 1600kb download and he lives about 6 city blocks from me which really makes me angry about this.
I have only contacted through phone support so far and I really feel they don't care about my problem and are only jerking me around as I stated. How would I go about contacting the office of the president because I feel they are not gonna do anything to help me no matter how many times I call which has been about 4 or 5 now and soon to be one more.
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anon @ 26th Oct 07:20PM:
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said by Marcer :said by averagecdn :
Just to clarify if you are on the Cogeco Std you should see 14/1 which would be 1400kb/sec and 1000k/up or 1.4 megabytes down and 1 megabyte up which is what most people get
To Clarify the clarification correctly...
14/1 is 14 megaBIT down and 1 megaBIT up
which is 1.750 megaBYTE down and 0.125 megaBYTE up or 1750/125 kiloBYTE down/up
This is the correct info I SHOULD be getting with the service I ordered but I am getting about 10% of the speeds if I am lucky over a 18-20 hours basis and the other time I get about 60% of the service at which time I am usually sleeping.
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Brades @ 26th Oct 07:19PM:
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Everyone still getting shitstain speeds?
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Marcer @ 26th Oct 07:27PM:
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khronlk, If you can flip me a PM with your MAC, or street address I can see about providing a more definite time frame
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khronlk @ 26th Oct 07:51PM:
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I am sorry if I am getting people confused by my download and upload speeds, just I have been using speedtest.net a lot and am using their stats. I will just post here to clarify which speeds I am getting and which speeds I should be having or close to.
According to DSLreports as of right now 7:48pm, I am getting 1955kb/s download and 384kb/s upload. The max my ISP service provides is 14000kb/s download and 1000kb/s upload, the stats I posted are about average I am getting for most of the day and into the night which is no where near what I should be near.
Sorry for any confusion about my speeds.
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anon @ 27th Oct 12:03AM:
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I'm in downtown windsor. Feast your eyes on this!
This is twice, TWICE as fast as the test I did a few hours ago.
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anon @ 27th Oct 12:08AM:
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Thats standard "high-speed internet" by the way.:D
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Crash27 @ 27th Oct 03:42AM:
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I have noticed the slow down over the past few months. I am on SOHO and even now the net seems slower than usual and my speed tests still show pretty high, I have tried different computers, with and without router and it is not on my end. My neighbors are even noticing it.
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khronlk @ 27th Oct 09:19PM:
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I called last night again and the tech said they moved it up to the next tier of support, she said they would call me back shortly and update me with more info about it. I got a call back 2 hours later and all they said was they were sending out another tech to check my connections again, I think it's just another stall tactic for right now.. he is coming tomorrow in the afternoon sometime. I have been taking random speed tests from DSLreports and speedtest.net at random times of the day and keeping the records for him to see just how bad it is.
After he leaves I am calling the next day to see what they have planned to help me, and if I have ot call everyday for the next year I will until they fix it.
As of 9:20pm here on Cogeco Standard:
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Brades @ 2nd Nov 04:38PM:
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"Pro" in Kingston
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hagbard72 @ 2nd Nov 06:15PM:
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Great stuff.
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mt99808 @ 2nd Nov 09:04PM:
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Remember that even if you are getting normal speed tests you could still have packet loss issues due to node congestion. If websites you normally visit are taking a long time to load this is likely the issue. I went through all this crap for over a year before i finally got mine fixed. I had the technician at my house i bet somewhere between 5 and 10 times. Don't back down from these clowns.
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a1_Andy @ 5th Nov 04:03AM:
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Painful, If cogeco dose not throttle the who is throttling my usenet downloads? 5pm on th nose my downloads drop to 252 kbps (ish), during the day I get a full 3 meg.
(I know I'm not in Windsor, should I have started a new topic?)
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