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AkFubar @ 25th Oct 05:39PM:
CRTC Throttling R&V Decision Rant Here!
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/decisions.htm
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Arbalister @ 25th Oct 05:53PM:
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So is the decision on the ownership structure for Globalive (windwireless.ca).
It'll be intersting to see if they apply their vaunted "framework" to the R&V decision...perhaps thats why last weeks decision was released earlier...
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needFiber @ 25th Oct 05:59PM:
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Lets the speculation begin!
I am gonna guess that Bell will be ordered to stop throttling.
And end world hunger.
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mlerner @ 25th Oct 06:08PM:
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I am gonna guess that Bell will wire 50 million into the CRTC's bank account and the CRTC will release decision B.
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gamer515 @ 25th Oct 06:24PM:
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i thought there was a decision saying that bell can throttle with a 30 day notice, and that the cap is set at 60?
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anon @ 25th Oct 06:45PM:
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said by mlerner :
I am gonna guess that Bell will wire 50 million into the CRTC's bank account and the CRTC will release decision B.
CRTC's Razor:
Never attribute to avarice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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anon @ 25th Oct 06:45PM:
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said by gamer515 :
i thought there was a decision saying that bell can throttle with a 30 day notice, and that the cap is set at 60?
Newton's Law Of Canadian Government Commissions:
For every decision, there will be equal and opposing indecision.
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andyb @ 25th Oct 06:38PM:
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said by gamer515 :
i thought there was a decision saying that bell can throttle with a 30 day notice, and that the cap is set at 60?
You need to reread.
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AkFubar @ 25th Oct 06:47PM:
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Hopefully when the CRTC releases the decision and Peter Nowak covers it that will put the Dissolve the CRTC petition over the 10k milestone.
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Abattoir @ 25th Oct 07:14PM:
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said by gamer515 :
i thought there was a decision saying that bell can throttle with a 30 day notice, and that the cap is set at 60?
There was nothing nearly so explicit as setting a bit rate cap for throttling, nor is such an explicit limit likely to be made. The decision describes a framework by which the CRTC will judge all future net neutrality-related issues, including the Bell throttling issue.
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The Flash @ 25th Oct 07:25PM:
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I thought they already decided? Clarification please?
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globus999 @ 25th Oct 08:17PM:
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We know what is going to happen, but it is too painful to contemplate; so I'll just say it: Throttling will stay with few paper-tiger-type caveats. There is no escape. :(
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anon @ 25th Oct 09:21PM:
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If throttling as we know it now is allowed, will anti throttling measures, such as single link mlppp be explicitly not allowed?
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Jack17 @ 26th Oct 06:26AM:
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will anti throttling measures, such as single link mlppp be explicitly not allowed?
That's what i am afraid of.....
Pretty shure BELL will tell everyone to stop any kind of anti-throttling practice.....
So will be screw again.....
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AkFubar @ 26th Oct 07:03AM:
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My Prediction:
I agree that that the recent timing of the NN decision was deliberate. It would seem appropriate that throttling will now be decided based on the new framework. The first test of the new framework. Under this scenario no immediate decision on throttling this week but announcement of a period of deliberation and then a decision based on the outcome after applying the new framework and process.
Just my 2¢
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El Quintron @ 26th Oct 08:54AM:
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I don't think you can effectively legislate against a throttle bypass.
The only thing that can happen is that they (Bell) start throttling the offending traffic, and then the generator of said "offensive" traffic makes a complaint.
At which point it may be struck down, seeing as p2p is increasingly becoming a legitimate means of transferring video, and piracy is moving to other avenues like flash, http and NNTP.
Ahoy mateys!, abandon thar P2P battle, bluer waters await near the NNTP jungles!
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DabberDan @ 26th Oct 10:57AM:
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said by El Quintron :
Ahoy mateys!, abandon thar P2P battle, bluer waters await near the NNTP jungles!
Hrm... those so called NNTP jungles, aren't they centralized thus making them easier than P2P to shut down?
Sure, at this point, NNTP is still somewhat more complex to operate in regards to end users (those unraring and par files steps), but at some point it'll be more easier (only 100% complete content without the need for pars?) and become main stream.
You have pretty sophisticated portals out there that already index NNTP content into NBZ files which makes it that more easy to access.
If P2P were to suddenly drop off the map, NNTP would probably flourish and have to fend off the enemy too. IMO, it wouldn't fare as well as P2P since it's centralized.
But I do love SSL access to said NNTP though! :)
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InvalidError @ 26th Oct 01:15PM:
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said by DabberDan :
If P2P were to suddenly drop off the map
Although it hasn't "dropped" off the map, P2P usage is accounting for an increasingly small percentage of total internet usage: from the 50+% usage P2P commanded a few years ago, the latest numbers I have seen say P2P is down to about 38% of global internet usage. This relative reduction happened not because P2P usage is going down but because Youtube and other similar applications have faster growth rates than P2P.
With an increasing number of TV channels and studios offering more of their shows straight off their web sites, non-P2P traffic is bound to continue going up. BDUs are probably quaking in their boots thinking about this unavoidable medium-term future that will render them obsolete.
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chronoss2009 @ 26th Oct 01:25PM:
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i love that
increasingly small
38% is small?
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Arbalister @ 26th Oct 01:35PM:
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said by The Flash :
I thought they already decided? Clarification please?
YOu're confusing rulings. :-) Last weeks ruling only affected UBB - they overturned their own interim approval, and ruled that since they had decided not to grant interim approval, that the TSI R&V was moot...which it was. They *did* however, go as far as to define a framework under which they would judge ITMPs...which they did *not* rule on...
This ruling is the result of the R&V from 2+ years ago, in which TSI and CAIP asked them to tell Bell to remove the throttle...IIRC the only ruling we had on it was that they could continue throttling because the initial complaint was that the throttle was "unfair" and the CRTC managed to narrow their focus to one specific case and decide that it wasn't fair...and then called for further studies and public hearings....etc. This ruling is the result of all that rigamarole.
Clear as mud right?
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El Quintron @ 26th Oct 01:41PM:
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said by DabberDan :
If P2P were to suddenly drop off the map, NNTP would probably flourish and have to fend off the enemy too. IMO, it wouldn't fare as well as P2P since it's centralized.
But I do love SSL access to said NNTP though! :)
There are a lot of NNTP providers out there, specifically set up in countries where efforts to take them down would be difficult. (think tulips... :p )
And yes it's insanely easy with tools like SABnzbd you're rockin' in no time.
The larger point though, is the piracy protocol argumets are mostly moot because it just moves on.
NNTP is now mainstream, they were talking aboutt it on CBC Radio one a couple of weeks ago.
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DabberDan @ 26th Oct 01:50PM:
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said by El Quintron :said by DabberDan :
If P2P were to suddenly drop off the map, NNTP would probably flourish and have to fend off the enemy too. IMO, it wouldn't fare as well as P2P since it's centralized.
But I do love SSL access to said NNTP though! :)
There are a lot of NNTP providers out there, specifically set up in countries where efforts to take them down would be difficult. (think tulips... :p )
Interesting. I wonder if I could catch a deal somewhere taking into consideration the exchange rate? :D
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El Quintron @ 26th Oct 02:05PM:
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Astraweb for $11/USD they're based in Holland...
No complaints here. :D
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jackie999 @ 26th Oct 02:09PM:
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Astraweb $11pm here as well and no complaints. Speed, retention all good. I hope throttling doesn't effect that in the near future...if that were to happen it wouldn't be worth keeping DSL...dial up and a library subscription would suit me.
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DabberDan @ 26th Oct 02:18PM:
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said by El Quintron :
Astraweb for $11/USD they're based in Holland...
No complaints here. :D
Hrm... $11 USD? Oh, you're on Unlimited? I'm on Unlimited DSL.
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El Quintron @ 26th Oct 03:35PM:
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I'm on the speical offer which is the same as unlimited DSL but for 11$ US
»www.news.astraweb.com/specials/k···-11.html
Again no complaints
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shepd @ 26th Oct 04:26PM:
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»www.news.astraweb.com/specials/9···rly.html
:)
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erik2250 @ 26th Oct 05:40PM:
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Omr @ 26th Oct 10:31PM:
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I've been with them for two years, and I have had no problem ever. The are fast, cheap and the retention is growing. I believe they resell Highwind's service, which gives them a lot of reach and resource. I recommend them, and I was coverted by another member in this here forums.
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AkFubar @ 29th Oct 08:07AM:
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Well since the CRTC has said there will be a decision this week, it's either today or tomorrow. Haven't heard anyone getting advance notice that the decision is imminent today so most likely tomorrow? :hmm:
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andyb @ 29th Oct 08:41AM:
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Globalive decision is at 4:30,so I would think tomorrow.Unless they try to bury it beneath the hoopla that the globalive ruling will bring.
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R0CKY @ 29th Oct 08:47AM:
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said by andyb :
Globalive decision is at 4:30,so I would think tomorrow.Unless they try to bury it beneath the hoopla that the globalive ruling will bring.
Believe it is due on the 29th, so today would be D-Day for them.
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AkFubar @ 29th Oct 09:03AM:
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Just checked the CRTC website again and they have just posted an announcement this morning indicating that all of today's releases will be at 4:30pm Ottawa time.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 09:12AM:
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I think only the Globalive decision is due today, otherwise there should have been a notice about the R&V yesterday.
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El Quintron @ 29th Oct 10:56AM:
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*crosses fingers for Globalive*
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TOPDAWG @ 29th Oct 11:19AM:
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Whats the Globalive thing about?
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El Quintron @ 29th Oct 11:20AM:
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One of the providers is under an ownership review, I don't know how the CRTC could affect their launch but the incumbents are basically using the CRTC to try and stop the launch.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 11:23AM:
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said by El Quintron :
One of the providers is under an ownership review, I don't know how the CRTC could affect their launch but the incumbents are basically using the CRTC to try and stop the launch.
Last ditch effort to save their sorry excuse for cellular service.
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Omr @ 29th Oct 11:26AM:
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Whether or not they meet Canadian Ownership levels. So today they get the the clearance to begin, or they get told the things they need to revise in order to launch Wind Mobile.
The cliffhanger is that most of the debt and investment is made by Orascom, and Egyptian/ Worldwide carrier. Even though Globalive's structure is designed to uphold the Canadian Ownership limits. This is what is under test, and has a very wide implication if it goes through in that foriegn investors get the sign they have been waiting for.
Personally I hope they get it, outside intervention is a good thing when it comes to these Carriers who've gotten used to charging the likes of SAF for so many years.
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Gruesome @ 29th Oct 11:31AM:
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Oh but didn't you hear, 2 of those carriers are now eliminating SAF because they've listened to their customers
Just a coincidence new competition is coming .....had nothing to do with it ...nope ...
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andyb @ 29th Oct 11:31AM:
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It has other effects also.If allowed it will allow foreign investment into things like broadband infastructure.
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An_Onymous @ 29th Oct 11:36AM:
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There is going to be an appeal by the losing side anyways. With the lucrative cell phone market at stake, it is not like this is a done deal until it hits the courts or the cabinet.
The best the incumbents can do is to delay this until the foreign investment gives up and pulls back.
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El Quintron @ 29th Oct 12:51PM:
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said by An_Onymous :
The best the incumbents can do is to delay this until the foreign investment gives up and pulls back.
Unlikely, Tony Clement and IC set this one up to guarantee we get competition.
Tony from Globalive stepped up by changing the structure before the hearing as well so there's a lot of good will from the newcomers as well as a strong desire to see some competition in the Canadian cellular market.
They can spin spin spin the internet question to their heart's content because most Canadians haven't spent enough time in a foreign market to compare ISPs...
No one however, can argue that our mobile phone and data plans are overpriced.
Hell even Goldberg was on board with more competition a couple of weeks ago.
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andyb @ 29th Oct 01:25PM:
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said by El Quintron :
Hell even Goldberg was on board with more competition a couple of weeks ago.
I didnt see that.Would be funny to see because he likes kissin the incumbents ass' so he gets more work.
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El Quintron @ 29th Oct 04:13PM:
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said by andyb :
I didnt see that.Would be funny to see because he likes kissin the incumbents ass' so he gets more work.
He was going on about Globalive's problems at the CRTC and how it would be better for everyone if we let foreign ownership in,
I'm assuming he was in agreement so Bell and Rogers could engineer some type of sell off for themselves to a larger foreign player; equaling instant shareholder bliss.
We screw Canadians for years and then ride off into the sunset.
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andyb @ 29th Oct 04:29PM:
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Thats all right anyway.CRTC turned globalive down
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andyb @ 29th Oct 04:30PM:
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They also turned down the R&V.Fuckers
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evil_gusgus @ 29th Oct 04:37PM:
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Once again the CRTC fucked us Canadians over....
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Farchord @ 29th Oct 04:40PM:
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said by evil_gusgus :
Once again the CRTC fucked us Canadians over....
Want a shot at my leather whip? .
Hate the CRTC. Really do.
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evil_gusgus @ 29th Oct 04:42PM:
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The CBC need to do one of those things on the CRTC and show how stupid the fuckers are. This is getting ridiculous.
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Arbalister @ 29th Oct 04:48PM:
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They turned down the R&V - but made a point to state that Bell's current ITMP *must* meet the new framework.
Which it doesn't.
Which means we need to file a new complaint, not based on anything *other* then the new framework, and make them apply the framework to the question of whether the current ITMP meets the criteria.
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TOPDAWG @ 29th Oct 04:49PM:
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R&V?
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Arbalister @ 29th Oct 04:51PM:
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Review & Vary. An application to the CRTC to have them take a second look at a decision, and alter it.
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TOPDAWG @ 29th Oct 04:52PM:
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oh what was the decision on sorry having a hard time following all this.
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InvalidError @ 29th Oct 04:53PM:
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said by TOPDAWG :
R&V?
Review and Vary.
The painfully slow, inefficient and ineffective process of getting the CRTC to (pretend to) do something to fix problems. The R&V wars on speed matching, throttling and UBB started nearly a year ago and there has been little tangible progress so far.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 04:55PM:
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This is stupid and I have more colourful words but I won't use them. What they should have done with the R&V is evaluate Bell's traffic management practices under the new framework. Now either we have to file a complaint or CAIP/TekSavvy has to waste their time and come up with another damn submission to do the job they were supposed to do in the first place!!!! Idiots.. and yes I'm also pissed about the Globalive decision.
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evil_gusgus @ 29th Oct 04:57PM:
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I wonder how much von finkenstien got for turning down the r&v and wind....
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Arbalister @ 29th Oct 04:57PM:
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Its the CRTC operating with blinders, as per usual. They were asked to review the decision to allow Bell to continue throttling, specifically focussing on 2 or 3 key arguments.
Based on looking specifically at those few arguments, they decided that no case against was proven.
That being the case, the R&V is closed.
But they noted in the decision that the current throttling must be in compliance with the new framework. Typically, they won't just apply that new framework, since that *was not* the grounds for the R&V.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 04:59PM:
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Well yes but that's stupid. This is *not* a court room proceeding or another political debate. Just do the $%#$%#$ work!!!
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Arbalister @ 29th Oct 05:01PM:
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said by evil_gusgus :
I wonder how much von finkenstien got for turning down the r&v and wind....
What he'll get for turning down Wind is going to be a court challenge, if not appeals to cabinet, etc.
Wind has hired hundreds of people, spent millions on storefronts and facilities, call centers, towers...only to be stalled dure the month they wanted to launch, by a bogus complaint by the incumbents, and a moronic decision by the CRTC.
But their screwing with someone that has the financial backing to make a stink.
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Arbalister @ 29th Oct 05:03PM:
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said by mlerner :
Well yes but that's stupid. This is *not* a court room proceeding or another political debate. Just do the $%#$%#$ work!!!
Unfortunately, as far as the farce of "impatiality" goes, they only rule on the specifics of the complaint. If those specifics don't say "based on the new framework" they won't even look at it.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 05:08PM:
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said by Arbalister :said by mlerner :
Well yes but that's stupid. This is *not* a court room proceeding or another political debate. Just do the $%#$%#$ work!!!
Unfortunately, as far as the farce of "impatiality" goes, they only rule on the specifics of the complaint. If those specifics don't say "based on the new framework" they won't even look at it.
Yeah and that's just laziness. There's no rules that say they have to act on proceedings in a formal legal manner in the determining process.
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anon @ 29th Oct 05:12PM:
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said by mlerner :
Well yes but that's stupid. This is *not* a court room proceeding or another political debate. Just do the $%#$%#$ work!!!
Well, the only good that I can see in this and the Globalive decisions is that this should push your petition well over the 10k sigs!
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Arbalister @ 29th Oct 05:11PM:
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Well, we both no that. But this is typical CRTC - we're wrong, but if we can delay, stall, and put off people eventually they'll stop pressing.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 05:21PM:
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said by NetReality :said by mlerner :
Well yes but that's stupid. This is *not* a court room proceeding or another political debate. Just do the $%#$%#$ work!!!
Well, the only good that I can see in this and the Globalive decisions is that this should push your petition well over the 10k sigs!
I need more than that now though. I need something to really piss them off. At the rate this is going, the CRTC will keep sinking in regulation and the big 3 will control the internet and wireless and the petition won't do any good.
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Omr @ 29th Oct 05:35PM:
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I'm confused, when Bell brought UBB in the Speed Increase case ... even though UBB wasn't the topic ... and it has gotten more traction in the year then throttling.
Seriously what can be done about the CRTC? It is stifling innovation and progress every which way :( .
They are beyond the point of not getting it; they are actively pursuing some strange motives, I just don't get it. It isn't in the best interest of Canadians, not the industry, and even the likes of Bell will lose out in the long run because of these choices.
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mlerner @ 29th Oct 05:39PM:
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Seriously, why do we even have the CRTC? These kind of things could be done without their intervention. And we're *paying* them to do this on our taxes.
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AkFubar @ 29th Oct 05:43PM:
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Pffft... what a waste of time and effort. Just finished reading that abomination of a decision. They just blew it off, insufficient evidence presented by the right side. :o
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This agency is doing all it can to ensure Canada remains under the thumb of the incumbents and consequently at the bottom of the technology barrel and at the height of prices. Deserves another :o
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AkFubar @ 29th Oct 05:52PM:
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CBC has Globalive and the Throttling decisions covered:
»www.cbc.ca/technology/
Open for comments on both articles!
Push the »dissolvethecrtc.ca/ petition in your comments!
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An_Onymous @ 29th Oct 06:12PM:
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I am hoping that GlobalLive! would appeal to the cabinet on CRTC's ruling. As it is written, the CRTC have no choice but to follow the Telecom Act to the letter with some help from their buddies at Bell/Rogers.
The only sensible thing they can do is to convince the cabinet to revise the Telecom Act to allow for foreign companies to come in. Once that's done, then it would also open up the possibilities for more competitions for internet providers that this country sorely needs.
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shikotee @ 29th Oct 07:08PM:
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From the CRTC website:
"The CRTC’s mandate is to ensure that both the broadcasting and telecommunications systems serve the Canadian public. The CRTC uses the objectives in the Broadcasting Act and the Telecommunications Act to guide its policy decisions."
In order for any changes to come, this issue needs to become political.
Clearly, the CRTC is not able to fulfill its mandate, as the public is getting hosed as a result of their various decisions. While they no doubt cling to both Acts as justification, they need to be more aware of the needs of the Canadian people, and thus pressure the Ministry of Industry to make the needed changes.
The Harper gov't should be held to account for their inability to take a stand on this. In the US, the FCC approaches issues from a position of strength because the Obama gov't has been clear that this is what they are pursuing. In Canada, only the NDP has stood strong on this issue, with a wimper of support from the Liberals, and pretty much silence from the PC's.
Amazingly, in the world of current Canadian politics, this issue is not anywhere near the radar screen. This is a shame....
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Thislilfishy @ 29th Oct 07:11PM:
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I think we need to revise anything that prevents foreign investment. It's foolish beyond belief, has anyone heard of the 'world' market? Holy cripes, like someone said on the CBC site comments section, does that mean we shouldn't be able to sell Ford's becuase they're an american company (albeit mostly made in Mexico)? Anyhow, made my comments on Facebook, and the CBC comments section, including the disolvethecrtc.ca website links, although I think the CBC site will delete any website addresses.
Ian...facebook friends invited.
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AkFubar @ 29th Oct 07:13PM:
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Thanks for voicing your opinion in open forum. BTW the CBC leaves the website in user comments (at least for »dissolvethecrtc.ca/ they do).
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Thislilfishy @ 29th Oct 07:28PM:
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said by AkFubar :Thanks for voicing your opinion in open forum. BTW the CBC leaves the website in user comments (at least for »
dissolvethecrtc.ca/ they do).
OK good, I wasn't sure as it comes up saying that all posts will be moderated or some such. Glad to hear it, I've been trying to convince my friends to sign up as well, but they really don't understand the problem, and can't be bothered really reading into it. Typical Canadian apathy.
Ian
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An_Onymous @ 29th Oct 07:31PM:
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>does that mean we shouldn't be able to sell Ford's becuase they're an american company
I see this more like letting Walmart to come to Canada. During a bad economy, it is silly not to let a company to come in with huge amount of investments and jobs. I see no problems if the government force them to only hire people in Canada and not to outsource jobs like Bell/Rogers.
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Vomio @ 29th Oct 07:32PM:
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said by mlerner :
Seriously, why do we even have the CRTC? These kind of things could be done without their intervention. And we're *paying* them to do this on our taxes.
Even the most dimwitted, non-techno folks have cell phones and wallets, things are going to gather momentum fast.
So what do you think?
10,000 signatures by midnight?
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andyb @ 29th Oct 07:36PM:
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I also posted dissolve the crtc link several places.The total has gone from 9163 to 9275 in the last couple hours I've been looking at it.Good work people.
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AkFubar @ 29th Oct 08:45PM:
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I just sent Jesse Brown's interview with Konrad Finkydink to Charlie Angus complaining about Konrad. :D
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Oinktastic @ 29th Oct 09:05PM:
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said by An_Onymous :
I see this more like letting Walmart to come to Canada. During a bad economy, it is silly not to let a company to come in with huge amount of investments and jobs. I see no problems if the government force them to only hire people in Canada and not to outsource jobs like Bell/Rogers.
I thought the problem with Walmart was that it destroyed more business/jobs than it created... maybe that's just propaganda, but it's the word on the street.
I do agree that it really depends on the company's policies. Do we trust Globalive to hire local and keep the money local to stimulate our economy, or will they probably just leech off of it? Globalive could be helping the Canadian economy much more by hiring locally than Bell's current outsourcing to India does for sure.
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El Quintron @ 29th Oct 09:39PM:
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Hmm I had a bottle of Tequila saved up for this occasion, and I'm about half way through it.
*Feels like walking down some quiet suburban street while mumbling loudly about Bell and the Anti-Christ*
It isn't that cold either... maybe I could go naked for some extra umph.
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olebiker @ 30th Oct 01:16AM:
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said by El Quintron :
Hmm I had a bottle of Tequila saved up for this occasion, and I'm about half way through it.
*Feels like walking down some quiet suburban street while mumbling loudly about Bell and the Anti-Christ*
It isn't that cold either... maybe I could go naked for some extra umph.
Depending on the street you could certainly end up with more umph. Lmao
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AkFubar @ 30th Oct 06:58AM:
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I see at this time we are approaching 9,400 sigs on the petition! :)
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mlerner @ 30th Oct 07:42AM:
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hehe. I see a number of ad clicks for Globalive search requests.
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AkFubar @ 30th Oct 08:40AM:
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I am wondering what TSI's and the Coalition's next steps are in all of this?? I would like to think there is a "Plan B" with all of this.
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El Quintron @ 30th Oct 11:09AM:
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I think competitive broadband should have a link on how to protest the CRTCs decision on Globalive.
Or Better yet, maybe Globalive and Teksavvy team up to pass the Canadian smell test?
:p
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andyb @ 30th Oct 11:37AM:
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Liberals looking to get some more votes over internet/cellphone competition
»www.liberal.ca/en/newsroom/media···rnet-use
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AkFubar @ 30th Oct 11:40AM:
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Good find! That's encouraging to some degree. Maybe some lights are beginning to turn on in Ottawa. :)
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TOPDAWG @ 30th Oct 12:31PM:
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»www.thestar.com/business/article···ss-entry
from this link
Conservatives, historically, have been frigid to the CRTC, which they see as a blight on the free market.
Seems nobody likes the CRTC.
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AkFubar @ 30th Oct 03:18PM:
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9608 sigs currently on the Dissolve the CRTC petition!! :)
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MaynardKrebs @ 30th Oct 04:36PM:
D-Link will make us all 'bandwidth hogs'
Watcha gonna do about this Konrad? Maybe one of Konrad's kids will get one of these for Christmas and send his internet access bill through the roof.
»www.dlink.com/products/?pid=695
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AkFubar @ 30th Oct 04:39PM:
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It'll probably be blocked from being sold in Canada. :p
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MaynardKrebs @ 30th Oct 04:51PM:
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said by AkFubar :
It'll probably be blocked from being sold in Canada. :p
Think of the children.......the horror, oh the horror.
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Arbalister @ 30th Oct 08:13PM:
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If Harper personally rakes the Commish over the coals and gets us some respect...
I'll swallow my bile at the thought and actually vote for him. Once.
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TOPDAWG @ 30th Oct 08:31PM:
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Well as much as we here may care about the net and all the bell BS with caps and tiring to rape 3rd party's it's very very low on the radar of big government and that goes for any government that would be in power. Very few people in Canada give a damn about this stuff.
This issue is big cause it means a lot of money to Canada and many jobs.
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olebiker @ 31st Oct 01:28PM:
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said by Arbalister :If Harper personally rakes the Commish over the coals and gets us some respect...
I'll swallow my bile at the thought and actually vote for him. Once.
I voted conservative once in my life and it is not a mistake I intend to ever repeat.
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AkFubar @ 1st Nov 08:38AM:
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Currently 270 sigs to go on the petition!! :)
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Omr @ 2nd Nov 12:21AM:
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180 to go ;)
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R0CKY @ 2nd Nov 01:54AM:
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said by Omr :
180 to go ;)
Holy crap....
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jranger63 @ 2nd Nov 02:06AM:
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what petition, where do i sign?
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AkFubar @ 2nd Nov 05:19AM:
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Petition ----> »dissolvethecrtc.ca/
Who will be number 10, 000 ???
Please ask your family and friends to sign! We are very close to reaching our minimum goal of 10, 000!!
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mlerner @ 2nd Nov 07:49AM:
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170 :)
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AkFubar @ 2nd Nov 03:16PM:
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116 sigs to go!
»dissolvethecrtc.ca/
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mlerner @ 2nd Nov 03:56PM:
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heh. I guess now is the time to figure out how I'm going to get this to the right people. I really didn't think I'd get this much so quickly.
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An_Onymous @ 2nd Nov 04:03PM:
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You want to make sure that the rest of the parties i.e. NPD, liberals and the Bloc are also notified on this. If the whole government get involved across the party lines, then we might get something great out of this.
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andyb @ 2nd Nov 06:28PM:
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101 now
Edit:Changed allready
Petition Counter
There are currently 9900 signatures!
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MaynardKrebs @ 2nd Nov 06:33PM:
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said by mlerner :
heh. I guess now is the time to figure out how I'm going to get this to the right people. I really didn't think I'd get this much so quickly.
Issue a press release - »www.newswire.ca/en/ and Reuters, call the Globe & Mail, Toronto Star, Canwest, and Montreal newspapers.
Call the TV & radio news and schedule a press conference (CBC, CTV, Canwest) - borrow a flak jacket in case some deranged CRTC commissioner shows up wielding a knife or gun.
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AkFubar @ 3rd Nov 06:58AM:
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Currently 65 sigs to go on the petition!!
»dissolvethecrtc.ca/
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anon @ 3rd Nov 12:15PM:
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said by MaynardKrebs :said by mlerner :
heh. I guess now is the time to figure out how I'm going to get this to the right people. I really didn't think I'd get this much so quickly.
Issue a press release - »
www.newswire.ca/en/ and Reuters, call the Globe & Mail, Toronto Star, Canwest, and Montreal newspapers.
Call the TV & radio news and schedule a press conference (CBC, CTV, Canwest) - borrow a flak jacket in case some deranged CRTC commissioner shows up wielding a knife or gun.
And right after you do all that... Try real hard not to crap your pants! :D :D :D
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olebiker @ 3rd Nov 12:22PM:
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Mike I believe your original intent was to somehow have this presented to the Federal Government in the house. I would still persue that option just be careful not to let one party hijack the damned thing. As I don't think that would help.
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An_Onymous @ 3rd Nov 05:00PM:
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17 more to go...
Can't wait to see the headline: "10,000 Canadian Can't be Wrong. CRTC Failed Canadian-ness Test!" or something like that on CBC.
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Noname @ 3rd Nov 05:53PM:
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Only 8 more to go :P
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nigrunze @ 3rd Nov 06:05PM:
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said by Noname :
Only 8 more to go :P
6 more...
EDIT: 2!
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anon @ 3rd Nov 06:08PM:
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said by An_Onymous :
17 more to go...
Can't wait to see the headline: "10,000 Canadian Can't be Wrong. CRTC Failed Canadian-ness Test!" or something like that on CBC.
What will happen is the following:
1. The CRTC won't understand why this petition exists
2. They will hire Goldberg consulting to have pools and analysis done.
3. The analysis and polls will conclude Canada is the best in the world along with it's frame work.
4. CRTC and industry Canada will dismiss the petition coming from bandwidth hog geeks.
5. A story will appear on the Goldberg blog detailing how great his own analysis is, while chiding Geists take of it.
6. End of Story. Petition becomes unknown history.
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BryceS @ 3rd Nov 06:16PM:
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I just signed at member 9998 :P
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AkFubar @ 3rd Nov 06:19PM:
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1 to go
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An_Onymous @ 3rd Nov 06:20PM:
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10K signatures!
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AkFubar @ 3rd Nov 06:21PM:
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Congratulations Mike and thanks for your commitment to this. Congratulations to all those who signed! :)
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nigrunze @ 3rd Nov 06:22PM:
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said by AkFubar :
Conratulations Mike and thanks for your commitment to this. Congratulations to all those who signed! :)
I think we should all celebrate by going to Timmies. If they're closed now, we could go tomorrow.
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mlerner @ 3rd Nov 06:40PM:
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Thank you. It's not quite over yet but certainly reached the biggest goal.
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BryceS @ 3rd Nov 07:51PM:
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said by nigrunze :said by AkFubar :
Conratulations Mike and thanks for your commitment to this. Congratulations to all those who signed! :)
I think we should all celebrate by going to Timmies. If they're closed now, we could go tomorrow.
Timmies are open 24/7
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justsomeguy @ 3rd Nov 07:58PM:
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congrats! I signed it 2000 times, took forever but wanted to get you over the hump.
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mlerner @ 3rd Nov 08:10PM:
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LOL. Nice try. You'd need 2000 valid email addresses and I don't think the script will allow over 3 signatures from one IP address.
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Omr @ 3rd Nov 09:09PM:
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So what is next for the petition, when will the exchange occur and whatever you do please make it bi-partisan approach ... like send it to all parties even the Green ... whomever is listening is doing a lot already. The problem has always been getting the audience to even listen so that they can even make an informed decision.
EDIT: Wanted to also say this has been read in the wrong light all this time. Lets get this on message, Dissolve the CRTC is not to dissolve the entirety of the system but rather to dissolve the current regulators who are not doing there job. It is about reforming the current system, and making it work as a catalyst for improving the state of competition and innovation in this country ... not stifling the public and end result being increased monthly payments.
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mlerner @ 4th Nov 09:41AM:
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said by Omr :
So what is next for the petition, when will the exchange occur and whatever you do please make it bi-partisan approach ... like send it to all parties even the Green ... whomever is listening is doing a lot already. The problem has always been getting the audience to even listen so that they can even make an informed decision.
I'm coming up with a strategy. What I don't want to do is just get a meeting with some minister, a brief exchange of "we'll look into it" and then it dies down and filed away in some warehouse.
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MaynardKrebs @ 4th Nov 10:19AM:
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said by mlerner :
I'm coming up with a strategy. What I don't want to do is just get a meeting with some minister, a brief exchange of "we'll look into it" and then it dies down and filed away in some warehouse.
In the interim, people keep signing....in fact, sign early and sign often ;-)
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An_Onymous @ 4th Nov 12:10PM:
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May be something along the line of contacting all the parties with the soft copy of petitions + signatures. Arrange for a press conference to hand over a hard copy to the minister involved?
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Omr @ 4th Nov 03:24PM:
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Well for one thing you have all petitioners emails, you can always communicate a clear coherent plan when the time is right.
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AkFubar @ 4th Nov 04:40PM:
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said by mlerner :
LOL. Nice try. You'd need 2000 valid email addresses and I don't think the script will allow over 3 signatures from one IP address.
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mlerner @ 4th Nov 05:15PM:
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said by An_Onymous :
May be something along the line of contacting all the parties with the soft copy of petitions + signatures. Arrange for a press conference to hand over a hard copy to the minister involved?
Yeah.. if someone will pick up the tab...
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