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anon @ 5th Nov 09:37AM:
GV has competition

hurry up and get in the beta!

»www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/04/sa···invites/

what i like so far is i can call out using a SIP device with my regular cell number as caller ID. what i do not like as much is that callers get 'the person is being located' in place of a ring tone. this can be confusing. i do not care for the people calling me to know they are callling anything other than a very normal phoenn number.
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Pinan @ 5th Nov 10:40AM:
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said by tom thomas :

what i do not like as much is that callers get 'the person is being located' in place of a ring tone.

This only happens the first time they call, and only if they're not in your Contact list.

Also: Blocking my CID is why I mostly love GV.

Several people who have called me comment that they think the service (GV) is pretty cool. Very private. Indeed....

I'll happily beta this new one though.
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anon @ 5th Nov 11:20AM:
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said by Pinan :

said by tom thomas :

what i do not like as much is that callers get 'the person is being located' in place of a ring tone.

i was talking about RM not GV!
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neftv @ 5th Nov 10:49AM:
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I just wonder where this Virtualization is headed toward?
GV and now ribbit.
I think soon we won't be carrying phones we will be carrying netbooks.
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nitzan @ 5th Nov 02:27PM:
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said by neftv :

I just wonder where this Virtualization is headed toward?
GV and now ribbit.
I think soon we won't be carrying phones we will be carrying netbooks.

Honestly? I think it's going nowhere.

Think about it - can you imagine your parents using this stuff? can you imagine your non-techie friends using any of this? it's all a niche market - one that costs the provider an arm and a leg. IMHO it won't be soon before they either start charging OR they close shop.
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neftv @ 5th Nov 02:34PM:
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Can they be funding this kind of service by tapping into the USF fund? Somehow?
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nitzan @ 5th Nov 02:47PM:
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I don't see how that would be possible. To tap into the USF you'd need to be a rural CLEC with rural subscribers.

I think Ribbit is running this as a trial towards paid-service - unlike GV they apparently have no illusions about the need to charge. I'm still not quite sure how GV is planning to actually make money though.
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AVonGauss @ 5th Nov 02:56PM:
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One way that comes to mind is highly targeted ads based on the transcription of the voice mail. You login in to hear the message, it's about groceries, see an ad for a local grocery store.
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josephf @ 5th Nov 03:23PM:
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said by nitzan :

I'm still not quite sure how GV is planning to actually make money though.

They aren't. They plan on offering it free without expecting GV to be independently profitable. It is a loss leader for them, like some of Google's other products.
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nonymous @ 5th Nov 04:09PM:
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said by josephf :

said by nitzan :

I'm still not quite sure how GV is planning to actually make money though.

They aren't. They plan on offering it free without expecting GV to be independently profitable. It is a loss leader for them, like some of Google's other products.

They can get you addicted to it though. Then maybe still give free incoming and charge a little for outgoing. Plus charge for any enhanced extras they come out with. Plus things like google apps and gmail which are free for home use they can charge large business for. So they do not give everything away. Businesses pay for use things we as home users get free. We are a free beta testing ground.
So even as a loss leader they can tweak it enough other ways. Think they have your phone number, email, google apps, chrome browser and other things you will be absorbed. Even with just slight tweaking and charging some for extras all that potential marketing data alone is a small fortune.
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nitzan @ 5th Nov 04:15PM:
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said by josephf :

said by nitzan :

I'm still not quite sure how GV is planning to actually make money though.

They aren't. They plan on offering it free without expecting GV to be independently profitable. It is a loss leader for them, like some of Google's other products.

A loss leader for WHAT though? where is the profit? where is the future profit? a loss leader has to lead to profit somehow...
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josephf @ 5th Nov 04:16PM:
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For the Google brand and other Google products.

Perhaps they'll even add voicemail advertising down the line.
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nitzan @ 5th Nov 04:27PM:
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Let's be realistic here:

Google has how many million (billion?) users currently?

Does tiny (in their terms) Google Voice REALLY matter/helps them in gaining brand recognition? even if it did - which it really doesn't - it doesn't to a degree that justifies the cost.

If they add advertising to GV - I can see the potential in their mind - won't work though IMHO. While a few techheads are going to be OK with being spammed on voice too - I don't see any of my friends caring for it.
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josephf @ 5th Nov 04:40PM:
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I guess Nitzan and Google have a difference of opinion. :-)
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OmagicQ @ 5th Nov 04:53PM:
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I think Google likes having its fingers in many pies watching to see what will gain critical mass and take off. a million users on Voice isn't much but if/when it becomes 10 million or some number that catches Google's attention, they'll figure out a way to monetize it. If they price it $2.95 like Skype's "unlimited" US/Canada calling plan..they might lose the "not paying a cent" crowd but they'll have some revenue to offset their costs. Out of 10 million users, how many would pay? even if only 10% then that's what they have now and they would be paying users.
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josephf @ 5th Nov 05:00PM:
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Google made a filing with the FCC about a week ago where they clearly stated they have no near term plan to charge for any GV feature or function that is currently free.
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fareedf @ 5th Nov 09:53PM:
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GV makes some money from LD/ Overseas calls specially from people who only have mobile phone and I am sure this category of people not going to use their providers LD calls since it costs 10 times or more from AT&T, T-Mobile or Verizon.
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josephf @ 5th Nov 10:29PM:
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Google stated in an FCC filing that only 4% of GV users call international.
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RockyBB @ 5th Nov 10:49PM:
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said by nitzan :

Does tiny (in their terms) Google Voice REALLY matter/helps them in gaining brand recognition? even if it did - which it really doesn't - it doesn't to a degree that justifies the cost.

Perrhaps you have missed my other authoritative posts in other threads on the topic of why GV is and will continue to be free. It's to associate Google with phone calls, especially timely in light of tomorrow's release of Verizon Wireless Android OS system phone, the Droid. It's my belief (though I did say above "authoritative") that Google's strategy is to create a natural and positive goodwill association with their brand and using a phone. Watch for GoogleVoice being "enabled" or somesuch on Android OS handsets. They are pushing the phones, by giving away the calls (the reverse of giving away the razor and charging for the blades). Google's jackpot will be royalties on the sales of the Android handsets, royalties on the sales of "apps" through Google's "app store," and royalties on Google Payments as users purchase the apps. Google doesn't care about making a half a cent per minute marking up phone calls ... that missed opportunity cost is simply investment that will allow them to rake in ~$150 each on millions of handsets. And remember that cell phones are consumables ... remember the "new in 2" deals where subscribers are encouraged to get a new phone every two years? It's a self perpetuating money machine.
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josephf @ 5th Nov 11:16PM:
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said by RockyBB :

royalties on the sales of the Android handsets

Google gives away the Android OS free, and does not receive royalties from cell phone manufacturers.

Which, also, further demonstrates Google's commitment to the "free" pricing model.
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jeremyv @ 6th Nov 02:19AM:
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Okay I've sign up but it looks like I still have to wait...maybe a few days? How long did you wait till you got your account details?
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RockyBB @ 6th Nov 02:35AM:
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ooo ooo ooo! check out a review of the Droid. »latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol···iew.html See if you can find the phrase, "It integrates seamlessly with Google Voice."
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jeremyv @ 6th Nov 02:57AM:
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Okay maybe a little OT but what is exactly the difference between Google Talk and Google Wave?
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XP1 @ 6th Nov 04:15AM:
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Aren't there privacy issues for human voice transcription?
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mazilo @ 6th Nov 07:33AM:
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said by jeremyv :

How long did you wait till you got your account details?

I signed up on 7/29/9 and am still on its waiting list. :(
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deskjockey @ 6th Nov 07:42AM:
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I don't have a cell phone. 1) Can I use Rabbit as an outgoing sip service using a Callcentric ID without cost. 2) Can I have Rabbit calls to my Callcentric # ring my GV # and avoid Callcentric charges.

If that is not doable can I use my girlfriend's cell ID to at least make free outgoing sip calls without charges.
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anon @ 6th Nov 09:07AM:
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said by deskjockey :

I don't have a cell phone. 1) Can I use Rabbit as an outgoing sip service using a Callcentric ID without cost. 2) Can I have Rabbit calls to my Callcentric # ring my GV # and avoid Callcentric charges.

If that is not doable can I use my girlfriend's cell ID to at least make free outgoing sip calls without charges.

they do appear to allow incoming SIP connections. if your girlfriends cell is set up as one of the device in ribbit than yes you can make outbound calls from a SIP device with that number as caller ID. you can also get a new 'ribbit number' and answer calls to that number on your SIP device free or answer on any phone, gtalk, msn, or skype.
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anon @ 6th Nov 10:48AM:
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EDIT:

i meant to say above 'they do NOT appear to allow incoming SIP connections.' but you can answer incoming calls on a SIP device.
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dcurrey @ 6th Nov 10:56AM:
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Register for an account here. At the very least you can edit your post. :)
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anon @ 6th Nov 12:44PM:
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said by dcurrey :

Register for an account here. At the very least you can edit your post. :)

i might be a bit old fashioned. but with all the data mining and social networking focused on relationships I really like an somewhat anonymous internet that has a focus more on sharing information than personalities. this thinking leads me to never register on forums, blogs, etc unless there is no other way to post.
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DrModem @ 6th Nov 03:05PM:
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Your IP is still being logged by just going to sites you know.
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anon @ 6th Nov 04:58PM:
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said by DrModem :

Your IP is still being logged by just going to sites you know.

i am not going out of my way to hide my tracks. its just that i believe in a style of communications where a bunch of people share information in an informal/non personal manor. when i started out on AE lines, RCP/M and other BBS's in the early/mid 80's everyone used handles and no one know much about the actual identity of the other forum members. i guess i kind of mis those days a bit. but what i really dislike is the modern social networks like facebook that revolve around personal relationships predominantly. it is not that i dislike those relationships but i believe in keeping them exactly that. IN PERSON RELATIONSHIP's. i do not need computers for that sort of thing. this has pretty much put me in favor of not formally registering on forums or blog comments if not required. i just like it the more casual way of non registered contribution.
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deskjockey @ 6th Nov 06:27PM:
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said by tom thomas :

they do appear to allow incoming SIP connections. if your girlfriends cell is set up as one of the device in ribbit than yes you can make outbound calls from a SIP device with that number as caller ID. you can also get a new 'ribbit number' and answer calls to that number on your SIP device free or answer on any phone, gtalk, msn, or skype.

Tom regarding the free plans, does forwarding cell calls to a land line avoid cell phone charges? Do outbound sip calls avoid cell charges? Does rabbit charge for a new "ribbit number"?

Thanks
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OmagicQ @ 6th Nov 06:29PM:
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Use multiple email accounts and multiple user names if you have a privacy concern. On the internet, you can be as many "persons" as you want to be, as long as you can keep them straight.
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jeremyv @ 6th Nov 08:02PM:
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said by mazilo :

said by jeremyv :

How long did you wait till you got your account details?

I signed up on 7/29/9 and am still on its waiting list. :(

That's more than 3 months now :(
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anon @ 6th Nov 09:01PM:
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said by deskjockey :

Tom regarding the free plans, does forwarding cell calls to a land line avoid cell phone charges? Do outbound sip calls avoid cell charges? Does rabbit charge for a new "ribbit number"?

Thanks

most likely your cell provider will charge airtime for the call forwarding. but check with your carrier to be sure.

the ribbit beta accounts are free now will be $30.00 month after beta. the free 'out of beta service' seems to be strictly a voicemail thing. for now you can get free ribbit numbers, it seems like you can get as many as you want. you can call out for free from a flash phone in your web browser or any SIP device. you can set your caller ID to one of your ribbit numbers or any connected number such as your cell phone.

i am currently out of invites but will if i can get one back from someone i invited and help out some of you who want accounts. everyone gets to invite 10 others.
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mazilo @ 6th Nov 09:27PM:
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said by jeremyv :

said by mazilo :

said by jeremyv :

How long did you wait till you got your account details?

I signed up on 7/29/9 and am still on its waiting list. :(

That's more than 3 months now :(

Yup. I re-apply for another account a couple of days ago and let's see when will I be able to get the beta account.
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deskjockey @ 7th Nov 07:19AM:
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said by tom thomas :

i am currently out of invites but will if i can get one back from someone i invited and help out some of you who want accounts. everyone gets to invite 10 others.

Would like one.

Thanks
Michael
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Pinan @ 7th Nov 11:56AM:
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said by tom thomas :
i was talking about RM not GV!

Sorry for the confusion. Sounded like GV. I signed up and received notification two days later.

For others to see what a notification looks like:

"Thanks for your interest in Ribbit Mobile. You've successfully reserved a spot in our exclusive beta program. Soon, you'll be able to experience a brand new way to manage your calls, messages, and phones.

We'll be sending your account confirmation soon - in the meantime, we invite you to share your ideas on our idea wall. Let us know how we can help you stay connected to the people and information that matters to you. Our developer community is hard at work building new apps, and you can participate in changing the future of communication!

Check out our blog, and invite your friends to sign up, too - the beta program is free, but it won't last forever!

We'll be in touch soon.

Sincerely,

The Ribbit Mobile Team"
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deskjockey @ 19th Nov 02:09PM:
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I'm trying to get my Sunrocket AC-211SR ATA to work with my Ribbit ph # so I can call out and take calls with Ribbitmobile. I used my Ribbit ph # and the username and proxy address I received when I added the sip device to my list of phones. However, I'm not registering and wonder if I need an IP address or different dial plan, etc.

Gizmo config···tion.pdf
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ptrowski @ 19th Nov 02:23PM:
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said by AVonGauss :

One way that comes to mind is highly targeted ads based on the transcription of the voice mail. You login in to hear the message, it's about groceries, see an ad for a local grocery store.

If that is the case I would hate to think what ads they would show. I think their transcription has quite a ways to go to be accurate enough.
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