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meknow @ 8th Jan 02:18AM:
5 Dynamic IP(s) - what this means?

Competitive Dynamic IP Subscription
1 Year Subscription (Available to first time DSL clients) $21.95/mo 5 Dynamic IP(s)

This is what I saw when I order. I just talk with tech support and they said I will have only 1 dynamic ip.
"I ask them what above sentence means but the only reply I got was ask sales this is tech support section"

I send to sales e-mail today.

If that info is wrong, they should modify it. If anyone know why they list 5 dynamic ip while only give 1 ip, please let me know.
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ylen131 @ 8th Jan 03:02AM:
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someone will correct me if i am wrong

you only have 1 ip unless you have a router that is capable to assigning separate ip to teach computer.
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johram @ 8th Jan 03:38AM:
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hook up your modem to a switch and you can "sign-in" using the PPPoE software on each computer directly connected to that switch (which is connected to the modem).

Each computer would have its own static IP.

And a router connected to that switch could serve other users behind it via DHCP and NAT.

Here is a ROUGH diagram. I'm not good at text art.
                                  l-->computer 1 
                                  l-->computer 2   
-->asdl modem -->Switch (not hub)-l-->computer 3
                                  l-->computer 4 /-->computer 5
                                  l-->router-----l-->computer 6
                                                 \-->computer 7

There you go!
You're using all five IP addys. The drawback I see is that your LAN isn't so simple to set-up. The computers directly connected to the modem (via switch) would see the router and not the computers behind the router.

A lot of routers, like mine for example, let me assign a PPPoE sign-in to a MAC address.

But I don't think most linksys, netgear etc. routers do this.

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djrobx @ 8th Jan 12:29PM:
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Yep, you can do up to 5 PPPoE sign-ins and get 5 dynamic IPs at the same time.

It's a great feature if you've got more than one geek, gamer, or video-chatter in the house, since two people can get their own distinct IP and not have to fight over inbound ports.

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prestonlewis @ 8th Jan 08:43PM:
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I agree this is a good feature. Take mIRC for example, it's hard enough for an experienced person to figure out which ports have to be forwarded to your computer behind a router. If you're a newbie, port forwarding can be just too much to figure out. Having 5 dynamic IP's is great (as long as you have ZoneAlarm or some firewall protection if not using a router). Also, if you have a VOIP device that you don't want to be behind a router, this would be handy.
I definitely think it's a plus to be able to use a switch before a router in some cases.
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meknow @ 9th Jan 05:34PM:
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Dear djrobx,prestonlewis,

Do you have DSL EXTREME?
5 pppoe was what I thought and want to know how to do it.
But when I chat with tech, he said I have only one dyn ip and told me that statement is wrong. When I ask why, he told me ask to sale cause he can not answer it...
Weird but that's what DSL Extreme tech told me. I send message to sale but no reply yet...

I only care good connection and 5 ppoe is not important if I can not get it but the chat with tech was very disapointing... I thought DSL EXTERME tech very friendly base on the review...
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meknow @ 9th Jan 05:35PM:
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double post by accident...
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dslx_gm @ 9th Jan 06:04PM:
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Hi Meknow -

Most of our dynamic IP packages come with the ability to have 5 dynamic IPS. Although most people do not do it this way if you plugged a switch into your modem and put WinPoet on up to 5 computers you could authenticate and pull a dynamic IP address on each of those machines.

Most people use a router behind the modem to run multiple computers but if you do not want to use a router and just a switch that option is available to you.
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meknow @ 9th Jan 07:29PM:
Re: 5 Dynamic IP(s) - what this means?

Dear dslx_tech,
Thanks for the reply.
The answer you gave was what I was expect from your tech when I chat. Unfortunately what I heard was I only have 1 dyn ip assigned.
He stated that the 5 dynamic ip statement was wrong when I ask what that mean. When I ask why your company post that ad if you are not provide 5 dyn ip, he refuse answer it and ask me to talk with sales. He simply said he is not sales so he can not commnet the statement.

At that point I have to clear what the 5 dyn ip means.

I'm new customer and my activation day is not up yet. I just need information what kind of equipmet to prepare to use more then 1 ip. my user id is "younggap".

Could you check wether I can use more then 1 dyn ips and what kind of information available for me to set up like that. I'm willing to buy new router or switch etc if necessary.... Thank you.
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dslx_gm @ 9th Jan 08:49PM:
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Your account does come with the option of 5 IPS. Personally I like the option of have a router behind the modem that does the PPpoE authentication and assigns an internal IP. I find that it is a more simple configurations and a router adds a level of protection to your computers from the Internet. Most routers will support PPPoE authentication so if you have one it will probably work. If not a cheap Linksys would work well.

If you want to use the 5 dynamic IPs you would just need a hub or switch to put behind the modem. You would then install the software that comes with the modem on all computers and have to login on each computer individually to get online.
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Bill @ 9th Jan 09:31PM:
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Or you could have multiple routers plugged into the switch/hub :) That's how I have mine setup. Each router logs in with PPoE and there's no PPoE software to run on the computers.
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meknow @ 10th Jan 09:40PM:
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Cool. I have 3 router indeed. I will try to use them and see how it go. I had problem with chatting and forwarding port etc with multiple computer. If it work it will be great... Just waiting patiently for activation days...
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meknow @ 12th Jan 02:54AM:
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I got modem synced. Somewhat early then activation day.
I have horrible speed for now ( 400K ) and line filter does not work. Since my activation day is not up yet, I have to be patients... no problem I can wait :)
Just hope things work out after activation and few more day to ramp up the speed and new filter install.

The multiple dyn ip work like charm but I can not fully utilize yet by speed issue.

Thanks all of you. Wish me a luck to get smooth ride with all this trouble...
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vm5 @ 12th Jan 04:14AM:
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I have 3 static ips with my plan and a Linksys BEFSR41 router/4 port switch. Can I do this with the router I have?
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dslx_gm @ 12th Jan 01:01PM:
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said by vm5:

I have 3 static ips with my plan and a Linksys BEFSR41 router/4 port switch. Can I do this with the router I have?
I am not fully familiar with that router but I do not think it supports the use of more than one static IP.
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Bill @ 12th Jan 01:02PM:
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The only way to use the BEFSR41 w/ more than 1 IP, would be to use the router like a switch.

Plug the modem into a LAN port (not WAN) on the router, then have each client connect using PPoE software (or onfigure each computer to Static IP, assuming you have the Static IP plan).
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dslx_gm @ 12th Jan 01:07PM:
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said by meknow:

I got modem synced. Somewhat early then activation day.
I have horrible speed for now ( 400K ) and line filter does not work. Since my activation day is not up yet, I have to be patients... no problem I can wait :)
Just hope things work out after activation and few more day to ramp up the speed and new filter install.

The multiple dyn ip work like charm but I can not fully utilize yet by speed issue.

Thanks all of you. Wish me a luck to get smooth ride with all this trouble...
I took a look at your line readings and they do not look very good. How many phones do you have in the house? Do you have a fax machine or satellite dish that connects to the phone line? Do all of those have filters on them? Do you have an alarm system or anything else that connects to the phone line?

We may want to try to plug in the modem at the MPOE to see what speeds you get from there.

Here are the line readings.

•DN STREAM SPEED The line is running at 672 kbps, which is 56% below the maximum bit rate of 1536 kbps.
•UP STREAM SPEED The line is running at the maximum bit rate of 384 kbps.
•DN STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 4dB, which is below the target noise margin 6dB and above the minimum noise margin of 0dB.
•UP STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 15dB, which is above the target noise margin of 6dB.
•DN STREAM POWER The line power is 16dBm, which is below the maximum of 20 dBm, but it cannot be increased because individual tones are operating at their maximum level.
•UP STREAM POWER The line power is 12dBm, which is below the maximum of 13dBm.
•DN STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is already running at 92% of relative capacity on downstream transmission path.
•UP STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is running at 61% of relative capacity on upstream transmission path.
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meknow @ 12th Jan 02:26PM:
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Thank you, dslx_tech.

One things I know is the filter does not work. Whenever I pickup the phone, modem lost sync. I suppose to receive new filter next few days and hope this help me out.

I have 2 phones. Also have alarm but it has it's own dedicated line. Everything through filter but seems like filter does not work at all. My house is farely new( built 2000) and wire is very clear.

I will try to connect modem on the line where our phone start wired if that is what MPOE means. Maybe I can try pot filter also..
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dslx_gm @ 12th Jan 02:54PM:
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When you get time can you unplug all of the phones or anything else that connects to the DSL line and just plug the modem directly into the wall jack.

I would like to run a line test with nothing else on the line. Let me know when you do this and I will run the test.
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meknow @ 12th Jan 03:30PM:
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Dear dslx_tech,
I just did disconnect all the phone.

Could read my line?
as you know my account id is younggap
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dslx_gm @ 12th Jan 04:04PM:
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The SBC tool that shows the line readings is currently busy. If there are too many tests on it at one time it will not allow anyone to run anymore test for a specific time period. I will try it again in a little bit and get back to you.
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meknow @ 12th Jan 05:00PM:
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Thank you.
I will leave it as phone disconneted for at least 1 hour.
Meanswhile let me know if there is other things I can do improve situation. I have to stay with you guys at least for 12 month avoid early termination and the current speed is not acceptable for me but over the minimum requirement.

I have three dedicated line intalled when I have 3 sdsl from northpoint. Install customer side POT spliter and use those lines is my next resource I can try I can think of at this point...

Thank you for your help.
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dslx_gm @ 12th Jan 05:13PM:
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Line readings look a little better but not too much.

DN STREAM SPEED The line is running at 672 kbps, which is 56% below the maximum bit rate of 1536 kbps.
UP STREAM SPEED The line is running at the maximum bit rate of 384 kbps.
DN STREAM S/N The line noise margin equals the target noise margin of 6dB.
UP STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 15dB, which is above the target noise margin of 6dB.
DN STREAM POWER The line power is 16dBm, which is below the maximum of 20 dBm, but it cannot be increased because individual tones are operating at their maximum level.
UP STREAM POWER The line power is 12dBm, which is below the maximum of 13dBm.
DN STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is running at 79% of relative capacity on downstream transmission path.
UP STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is running at 60% of relative capacity on upstream transmission path.

Do you have the ability to plug in at the MPOE or install a POTS splitter? Testing it at the MPOE would show if install a POTS splitter would help.
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meknow @ 12th Jan 05:24PM:
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I'm not sure about MPOE. I'm living community house or PUD, we have single power hous all the line come from like building or apartment. There is another access point in my house where all the line come from in the middle of powerhouse to my house.

So I can interrupt in the middle of incomming line before it come to my house. I think I can install POTS spliter at that point. I will cut the line and put the modem at that point and test it tomorrow. Hope this will do the trick.

Is there any recommendation on POTS splitter.
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djrobx @ 12th Jan 06:38PM:
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The part about picking up the phone and losing sync sounds like there may be an MTU on the line...might have SBC check for that, if the test is still bad.

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Bill @ 12th Jan 06:39PM:
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I used to have a problem with if I made an outgoing phone call, I would loose sync. It turned out I didn't have the alarm system filtered properly.
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meknow @ 12th Jan 07:42PM:
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djrobx,Sw Bill,
Thanks for the suggestion.
Both suggestion is worth to take a look.
djrobx, Sorry but I'm not quite sure what MTU on the line mean here. Should I ask about it to DSLExtreme or SBC directly?

Sw Bill, I'm not quite sure wether I had problem when I have incomming call, I will check out. I believe the alaram was installed it's own dedicated line but at this point I can not assume anything. Actually I just ask alaram company to ignore any activity in my house since I will disconnect alarm also to make sure my line is clean.

Could you tell me how do I properly filter alaram system? In worst case, I will cancel alaram if this was a problem :) Right now I can see the line goto alarm system and the alarm box is inside house. I notice 4 line is related to phone in the box. But I will unplug all the line and power down alarm system including backup battery to make sure...

If all of this in vein, I will just trash this DSL line and reactivate cable which was horrible but better then current line. :) I just notice that the early termination fee was almost equal to my remaining commitment. Worst case I will have nice backup internet line... :D
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Bill @ 12th Jan 07:54PM:
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I just called the alarm company up and they came out and installed the filter for free :) The connector on my alarm wasn't RJ-11, so I couldn't use the filters DSLX provided, I'm not sure what your alarm system looks like though.
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meknow @ 13th Jan 03:50AM:
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Good news.

I cut line and make dedicated line to modem. The other line is open for now so no phone service.

I just did speed test. Now I'm getting 600K (200K increase)
Not sure this will be the maximum I will get or will be increased if I wait few more day.

I'm search ebay for pots filter now. BTW I found faq about how to make pots filter with self install kit. I will try it today.

dslx_tech: If you saw this, could you do line read one more time? Many thanks.

Thanks.
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djrobx @ 13th Jan 04:18AM:
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If you have/had an alarm system it's very important to get the DSL filtered out and a line run *before* the alarm system gets involved with the line. Just "shutting off" the alarm won't do it.

The way an alarm works is the line coming into the home runs straight into the alarm. It then runs back from the alarm to the rest of the phones in the house. This way the alarm system can still make its call if the theif picks up a phone in the house.

Typically this means you'll have wires coming in at the NID, then from there, a bundle running to the alarm. The 1st pair in the bundle will be connected to the real phone line. The the 2nd pair (coming FROM the alarm) will be connected to the rest of the wiring in the home.

The MTU check would be something DSLExtreme would have SBC check. Getting the DSL filtered properly so that it can work with the alarm is definitely the first priority though.
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meknow @ 13th Jan 05:05AM:
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djrobx,
Thanks for the advice. I may ask about MTU as a last resource since splitting from pot seems like working.

The alram system supposed to run from cummunity phone line not mine and that's why I thought it's on dedicated line. Still your statement could be possible since now I'm not sure what was going on in my house and splitting pot line work.

I received new phone filter today and it work also. No sync lost by pickup the phone.

I was happy with their support but disapointed with speed. Now I may able to give them high score.. :)
Now I'm hitting 700K... hope it go further more. :)
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meknow @ 13th Jan 02:27PM:
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I'm stuck at 700K now. Will this be my maximum?
A lot better then 400K before still not enough.:(
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dslx_gm @ 13th Jan 03:56PM:
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Line readings got a bit better and the sync rate did go up.

DN STREAM SPEED The line is running at 992 kbps, which is 35% below the maximum bit rate of 1536 kbps.
UP STREAM SPEED The line is running at the maximum bit rate of 384 kbps.
DN STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 4dB, which is below the target noise margin 6dB and above the minimum noise margin of 0dB.
UP STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 16dB, which is above the target noise margin of 6dB.
DN STREAM POWER The line power is 17dBm, which is below the maximum of 20 dBm, but it cannot be increased because individual tones are operating at their maximum level.
UP STREAM POWER The line power is 11dBm, which is below the maximum of 13dBm.
DN STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is already running at 93% of relative capacity on downstream transmission path.
UP STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is running at 56% of relative capacity on upstream transmission path.
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meknow @ 13th Jan 04:24PM:
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dslx_tech,
Will it be my maximum?
Any chance to go up after few days? I saw post stating wait 10 days to get maximum speed. Does my line also apply this rule?

Any other suggestion to get better performance? I just order POT spliter but not sure how much this will improve my line. Currently I just split and put filter which came with self install kit on phone line and the other directly to modem.

Thanks
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dslx_gm @ 13th Jan 04:49PM:
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The ramp up wouldn't apply for you since the problem is with the line readings themselves not being good. At this state that is the best you will get from the line. I would venture to say that installing the POTS splitter will probably help though.
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meknow @ 14th Jan 01:58AM:
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thank you.

I just give up at this point that I saw the max I can get is 600L when my modem is directly connected to pot line without phpne line. And now it drop to 200K for unknown reason.

I think dslextrem support was excellent. I can not imagine how they can keep up good support with those cheap price. I would recommend them whoever ask me.

DSL wise, I think my area is not ready for them yet.I sign up DSL after I heard there was provision etc... on the line in my area. I will not recoomend DSL in my area if anyone interested.

There was another cable provider in my area. Eventhough they are expensive, I heard they have good network so I'll sign up with them. Now I have very expensive backup internet line but almost same amount I paid dialup few years ago. So I should not compalin.

This was nice experience to talk over forum.
Thank you all of you. Especially dslx_tech.
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meknow @ 15th Jan 03:08AM:
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After trouble in my area, now I'm in 300K down....
Now I wish to get 700K...
I hope there is way to cancel this line without early termination fee... :(
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dslx_gm @ 15th Jan 01:08PM:
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I checked your line readings and you are still synced at just above 900. Based on the testing you have done thus far it looks like you are having internal wiring problems. Not to beat a dead horse but a POTS splitter would probably help.

Here are your current line readings.

DN STREAM SPEED The line is running at 928 kbps, which is 39% below the maximum bit rate of 1536 kbps.
UP STREAM SPEED The line is running at the maximum bit rate of 384 kbps.
DN STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 4dB, which is below the target noise margin 6dB and above the minimum noise margin of 0dB.
UP STREAM S/N The line noise margin is 15dB, which is above the target noise margin of 6dB.
DN STREAM POWER The line power is 17dBm, which is below the maximum of 20 dBm, but it cannot be increased because individual tones are operating at their maximum level.
UP STREAM POWER The line power is 11dBm, which is below the maximum of 13dBm.
DN STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is already running at 93% of relative capacity on downstream transmission path.
UP STREAM LINE CAPACITY The line is running at 58% of relative capacity on upstream transmission path.
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