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woowah @ 18th Jul 06:06PM:
rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
I'm using Safari which automatically adds www. and .com to the end of a word when it's typed into the address bar. For example typing 'rogers' would take me to rogers.com. Now I get sent to some bull advertising page from rogers. WTF is up with this?
Anybody else notice this happening?
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olesz @ 18th Jul 06:16PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
Hey
If you want to get rid of those advertisements
just go to the bottom of that page and click learn more and there you can disable the service
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woowah @ 18th Jul 06:35PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
thanks, but it's very very obnoxious to do this. One more instance like this and I'm outta rogers.
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anon @ 18th Jul 08:10PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
Found this on Michael Geist's blog:
Rogers Implements New Approach On Failed DNS Lookups
This means that ALL domains now EXIST for Rogers' customers and if your application relies that non-existent domain DO NOT EXIST (e.g. filter spam from non-existent domains), all domains now EXIST.
Looks very similar to Verisign Sitefinder fiasco; customers should protest.
said by Wikipedia (emphasis mine) :Issues and controversy
There was a storm of controversy among network operators and competing domain registrars, particularly on the influential NANOG and ICANN mailing lists, some of whom asserted:
• that the redirection was contrary to the proper operation of the DNS, ICANN policy, and the Internet architecture in general;
• that VeriSign breached its trust with the Internet community by using technical architecture for marketing purposes;
• that the redirection broke various RFCs and disrupts existing Internet services, such as e-mail relay and filtering (spam filters were not able to detect the validity of domain names);
• that the redirection amounted to typosquatting where the unregistered domain being resolved is a spelling mistake for a famous registered domain;
• that VeriSign abused its technical control over the .com and .net domains by exerting a de facto monopoly control;
• that VeriSign may have been in breach of its contracts for running the .com and .net domains;
• that the Site Finder service assumed that all DNS traffic was caused by Web clients, ignoring the fact that DNS is used by other applications such as network printer drivers, FTP software and dedicated communications applications. If users of these applications accidentally entered a wrong host name, instead of a meaningful "host not found" error they would get a "request timed out" error, making it look like the server exists but is not responding. (No statement by VeriSign in support of Site Finder even acknowledged the existence of DNS traffic not caused by web clients, although they published implementation details which mentioned this traffic. [2]
• that Site Finder contained an EULA which stated that the user accepts the terms by using the service--but since mistyping an address automatically caused the service to be used, users could not refuse to accept the terms.
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dtsang @ 18th Jul 10:44PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
Totally retarded.... :mad: Rogers
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metalhawk @ 18th Jul 11:12PM:
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Simply stop using Rogers' DNS servers.
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anon @ 18th Jul 11:27PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
Rogers can force you to use Rogers' and only Rogers' DNS servers, remember that.
Providers not letting you use the SMTP server of your workplace or hosting company are far too common. Why not do the same with DNS?
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anon @ 18th Jul 11:35PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
said by Wikipedia :
EarthLink - EarthLink redirects nonexistent hostnames to www.earthlink-help.net, a site similar in functionality and purpose as Site Finder. EarthLink customers can opt out of this service by using alternate unsupported DNS servers provided by the company.
And this is the proper opt-out procedure, not some cookie bullshit, as cookies are erased in my case when the browser closes.
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Exidor @ 18th Jul 11:37PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
said by Anon Nam :
Rogers can force you to use Rogers' and only Rogers' DNS servers, remember that.
Please elaborate. :hmm:
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woowah @ 18th Jul 11:43PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
I just found this for those who experience this and want to complain:
»How to Complain to Rogers
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anon @ 18th Jul 11:45PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
It's called firewalling (a) certain port(s). Or even being intrusive and peeping your traffic looking for a DNS query and blocking it by a variety of means. In this case they can claim to not infringe privacy since they (presumably) wouldn't be looking into the actual query proper. They could also block known open DNS servers.
I'm certain that other methods exist, but the above are the options that I could think of off the top of my head.
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anon @ 19th Jul 02:13AM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
I've recently noticed this as well. I use rogers DNS as a secondary dns and 4.2.2.1 as my primary. Either way 30 seconds after seeing this I got annoyed and in firefox 3 typed in...
"about:config" in the address bar, accepted the "This will void warranty" message and proceeded to type in "browser.search.search" into the filter bar
you should see "browser.search.searchEnginesURL" come up after typing it, all i did was replaced the default value to "www.google.com" and instantly every time i type something in it will goto google instead wooo!!!
Hope this helps anyone having the same problem that uses Firefox 3
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woowah @ 19th Jul 12:42PM:
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slashdot is talking about this now.
»tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/07/19/158208.shtml
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starlndn @ 19th Jul 02:19PM:
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said by olesz :
Hey
If you want to get rid of those advertisements
just go to the bottom of that page and click learn more and there you can disable the service
All that does is set a permanent cookie, which is not the ideal workaround, more like adding insult to injury.
If you delete the cookie, you'll start getting the "special" page again.
Also, that Rogers page attempts to set cookies by doubleclick.net (no thanks).
I called Rogers this morning about this. They told me to change my DNS servers to 204.60.0.2 & 204.60.0.3; they also said they have been getting a lot of calls about this.
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sbrook @ 19th Jul 02:21PM:
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Interesting ... AT&T (SBC) DNS servers!
ns1.snet.net [204.60.0.2]
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clewis4u91 @ 19th Jul 10:57PM:
Re: rogers inserting advertisements into my browser - WTF?
Good thing I'm using OpenDNS ;)
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Quake110 @ 20th Jul 02:28AM:
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said by clewis4u91 :
Good thing I'm using OpenDNS ;)
It's the same thing with OpenDNS. Bad domains are redirected to their search pages.
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Daphoid @ 20th Jul 02:37AM:
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Exactly. While annoying, this isn't anything new - multiple ISP's do it now.
There's nothing big brotherish about it though, your requests for websites (i.e www.google.com) are going through their network, so they see where you go, as long as they don't try and stop you from getting there, it's just fine.
All they've done is added a rule that says "if a website doesn't exist, offer search results" instead of a "404 Not Found" address.
However, a 404 WILL showup if the domain is correct but the subfolder is not, i.e www.google.com/WACKYFUNTIME/ does not exist, so that'll give you a not found.
CHeers,
- D
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anon @ 20th Jul 12:48PM:
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Rogers is outsourcing this to an American company called Paxfire. Their servers are in America.
This is a privacy issue here, as your typo traffic is sent to a company in America. Canadian privacy laws no longer protect you, as your typo traffic is now in American hands.
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quickbeam @ 20th Jul 01:12PM:
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I want to know how Rogers will spin this once the media gets ahold of it.
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quickbeam @ 20th Jul 01:14PM:
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said by sbrook :
Interesting ... AT&T (SBC) DNS servers!
ns1.snet.net [204.60.0.2]
LOL I'm sure the appreciate the extra traffic.
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TKJunkMail @ 20th Jul 01:15PM:
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said by Quake110 :said by clewis4u91 :
Good thing I'm using OpenDNS ;)
It's the same thing with OpenDNS. Bad domains are redirected to their search pages.
YES. Unless you sign up for a FREE account and then set up the option to Turn off typo correction. You go in to the Dashboard at www.opendns.com and select settings and the typo corrections and then uncheck the box enable typo correction.
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quickbeam @ 20th Jul 01:19PM:
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Tracert search.rogers.com and it goes to Washington.
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a_large_rock @ 20th Jul 02:47PM:
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I'm getting the rogers redirect search even tho i'm using open dns.. how is that possible?
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sbrook @ 20th Jul 03:08PM:
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You're not actually using opendns? Make sure you put it in the right place (windows and/or your router.) And you did restart networking?
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TKJunkMail @ 20th Jul 03:13PM:
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said by a_large_rock :
I'm getting the rogers redirect search even tho i'm using open dns.. how is that possible?
You can verify that you are using opendns servers by going to »www.opendns.com and verifying the web page shows the following:
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a_large_rock @ 20th Jul 03:36PM:
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Yep, my mistake. I had open dns as primary, and rogers as secondary... and it must have gone to the secondary.
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MikeRCMP @ 20th Jul 08:45PM:
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There are some advantages to this service, I was speaking to a tier 2 this afternoon on the issue.
»blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0···age.html
»technorati.com/posts/d8RJnCKdA97···i6zbE%3D
By altering content, they are no longer "common carriers" and are legally responsible for all content they convey, including kiddie porn and terrorist plots...
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Cab···_content
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MikeRCMP @ 20th Jul 08:48PM:
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If you want to really complain to rogers call during the business day during business hours and demand to speak to "office of the president" If they con you into saying the issue is "technical" they can outright refuse to transfer. If you explain clearly you need to talk to them about "POLICY" then arguably at least the agent's t2 will agree with you to "warm transfer" you to office of the president.
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anon @ 20th Jul 10:42PM:
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Wow, people really get worked up about nothing. So big deal, you make a typo and it directs you to a Rogers search page.
BIG DEAL.
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anon @ 20th Jul 11:02PM:
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I didnt have an issue with this at first either; however, my beef is that I did not agree that rogers can give my surfing information - even if it's only typos - to an outside (read: foreign) company.
As far as I know, under PIPEDA, we would have to specifically agree to this - it can't be hidden in the TOS and be assumed, nor can it be an opt-out kind of deal.
I plan to raise hell about this and I hope a lot of others do as well.
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elwoodblues @ 21st Jul 05:40AM:
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said by Kahless2k :
I didnt have an issue with this at first either; however, my beef is that I did not agree that rogers can give my surfing information - even if it's only typos - to an outside (read: foreign) company.
As far as I know, under PIPEDA, we would have to specifically agree to this - it can't be hidden in the TOS and be assumed, nor can it be an opt-out kind of deal.
I plan to raise hell about this and I hope a lot of others do as well.
If it is under the privacy act (wait for the republ.. err conservatives) to change the act to allow Rogers to do this .
Out of all seriousness, then you should contact the privacy commissioners office: »www.privcom.gc.ca/contactUs/index_e.asp and see if it is indeed an issue.
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elwoodblues @ 21st Jul 09:29AM:
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Looks like they are using a CO Locate service on the Level 3 network.
They could have put their servers there for the extra bandwidth
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anon @ 21st Jul 10:21AM:
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I occasionally do some security testing with computers on my LAN at home and had some interesting results over the weekend before I was aware of what Rogers had done. I was using a product called DoSHTTP, a copy can be found here: »www.socketsoft.net/ When I pointed the tool at a machine on my network and set it to run, I eventually noticed that I was not attacking the machine on my private network but instead was attacking the Rogers search server. I have since discontinued this testing, but I am curious as to what the legal implications of this might be. Since my DoS session was targeted at one of my computers, but Rogers gave back bad DNS info that sent the traffic to their server, it does not seem like I could be found responsible. Just something to think about.
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nekkidtruth @ 21st Jul 11:20AM:
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I happily use OpenDNS and they have been doing it since as far as I can remember.
This doesn't bother me one bit. It's simply searching for the correct site. I don't see any ads anyway as most are being blocked ;)
Sometimes I even misspell sites on purpose because I can't remember the actual site, and this helpful tool points me to the right direction ;)
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anon @ 21st Jul 02:48PM:
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VPN into your office. Browse to a company server and get a Rogers/Yahoo search result page, WTF and yes it's a big deal. Because of this, VPN users can't access servers by name over the VPN.
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anon @ 21st Jul 03:06PM:
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Switch them to a non-rogers dns and they will be fine. Did that for all our employee's over the weekend. No problems now.
said by FreakWillie :
VPN into your office. Browse to a company server and get a Rogers/Yahoo search result page, WTF and yes it's a big deal. Because of this, VPN users can't access servers by name over the VPN.
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anon @ 21st Jul 11:01PM:
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I just set my firewall to block all outbound traffic to search.rogers.com and problem solved :)
And the wonderful error message in all its glory:
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i286 @ 21st Jul 11:45PM:
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just go to the bottom of that page and click learn more and there you can disable the service
You are not disabling the service, basically they give you a fake page and one might think that browser did really render it, but it is still theirs.
Look, the favicon is there and some pictures are missing: refresh.gif (82 bytes) :D.
Plus this is IE style error screen and I am using FF.
The idea is the same as with phishing web sites, where a user thinks that this is a legit page, when it is not. Here it is less serious but they still lie to people and keep sending your search phrase to Washington.
Now I am blocking search.rogers.com with my firewall.
Ted truly knows how to make money. And they call me and send garbage to sign up for more services (currently I am internet-only) but I have lost all my respect for this company. Mentally I am ready to go back to dial-up - I am not using internet as much anyway with those 2GB caps. :huh:
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rudeboy24 @ 22nd Jul 12:02AM:
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said by FreakWillie :
VPN into your office. Browse to a company server and get a Rogers/Yahoo search result page, WTF and yes it's a big deal. Because of this, VPN users can't access servers by name over the VPN.
i had the same issue ..i solved it by setting up a WINS Server (Windows Internet Name Service) now the vpn users can see the local servers
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anon @ 22nd Jul 12:52AM:
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Although you dont have a static IP with rogers, you can still have a static IP with rogers.
If you take the information currently in your "status" of your router and use that as your "static" information instead of a "dynamic" ip, and use OPENDNS as your DNS , then you can say goodbye to the Ads, and hello to faster webpages and whatever webpages you want :)
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rudeboy24 @ 22nd Jul 01:26AM:
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well if you change to static ip when ips get changed someone else gets your ip and you get a ip conflict and just causes problems ...plus the rogers ip's stay the same for months at a time. so setting it as a static ip is just a waste.
and for the OpenDNS all you have to do it set the dns ips on your router ..or your PC
»https://www.opendns.com/start
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elwoodblues @ 22nd Jul 09:56AM:
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Because they are using IIS as their webserver
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rudeboy24 @ 22nd Jul 08:09PM:
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i used ID Serve from GRC.com and it shows as apache
i think they just put IE looking error pages.
»www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm
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buschic @ 23rd Jul 03:36AM:
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Hey, Thank You for giving me this info :), I can finally fiddle with my FIREFOX settings manually, MUCH easier to do with a screenreader!! ;) ;) ;)
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noway1 @ 23rd Jul 11:37AM:
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said by snakeyez11 :
I just set my firewall to block all outbound traffic to search.rogers.com and problem solved :)
Thanks for the tip. In my case I blocked outbound TCP to the IP Address 8.15.7.107 (or to www20.search.rogers.com), since my firewall won't allow blocking just the (partial) search.rogers.com
Also blocked 63.251.179.17 which is wwww20.search.rogers.com
Kinda strange having to block outbound to my ISP. The only other outbound stuff I block is to some hacker/malware sites like Gromozon, etc. Guess it shows the level that Rogers has stooped to in order to make a buck at the expense of its paying customers.
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Nemo888 @ 24th Jul 08:48PM:
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Easy enough to fix for now. I just changed which DNS server I use. Anyone still feel net neutrality legislation is not needed? You can't buy a dumb pipe for home use in my area.
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midfingr @ 25th Jul 03:15PM:
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Another 'workaround' is to use your host file in Windows. Of course, this depends on how many computers you need to configure. In any case, here's what I've done. You can either block this address or redirect to Google or wherever.
:: BLOCKING ROGERS SEARCH
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rudeboy24 @ 25th Jul 04:38PM:
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did you guys see this?
»www.doxpara.com/
read the box to the Right titled "DNS Checker".
just another reason to switch to OpenDNS ..lol :)
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mau108 @ 26th Jul 11:40AM:
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I just setup the dns server for my buddy as he found it annoying too.
Changed to opendns and found opendns is doing the same type of stuff, so I found these servers are they work fast and no issues like rogers and opendns
4.2.2.1
4.2.2.2
4.2.2.3
4.2.2.4
4.2.2.5
4.2.2.6
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TKJunkMail @ 26th Jul 11:47AM:
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said by mau108 :
I just setup the dns server for my buddy as he found it annoying too.
Changed to opendns and found opendns is doing the same type of stuff, so I found these servers are they work fast and no issues like rogers and opendns
4.2.2.1
4.2.2.2
4.2.2.3
4.2.2.4
4.2.2.5
4.2.2.6
OpenDNS can be setup to not provide a search page with ads when a mistyped domain name is entered. It can be setup to just return the std error msg.
Just turn off typo correction by making sure the box is unchecked.
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koolin @ 30th Jul 09:48PM:
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this is utter bullshit. ive just gone through the process of fixing a couple of our vpn users because of this issue. You guys think switching dns servers is a simple answer and yes for many of us it is, but for your average user they dont even know what DNS is or how to change it. can you imagine how many business VPN users just got fraked here like really.
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KraZe @ 30th Jul 10:38PM:
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Here's a simple answer.... CALL AND SPEAK TO THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT ABOUT IT!
To my knowledge, the outcry so far HAS been noticed by Rogers. The more they get, the faster they will react.
Give them examples of issues you've encountered since this introduction, and they will be able to do more with it. Don't just give them the "this sucks" speech, tell them WHY you don't like it, things you've had to do to correct the issues, and voice your concerns.
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