100Mbps Wireless By 2010 - At least according to Nokia's marketing department...

100Mbps Wireless By 2010 - At least according to Nokia's marketing department...
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100Mbps Wireless By 2010
At least according to Nokia's marketing department...
(old news - 09:28AM Wednesday Nov 07 2007)
tags: business · wireless · hardware · alternatives · bandwidth · networking

3GPP LTE (Long Term Evolution) technology looks to be the leading candidate to dominate true 4G wireless broadband connectivity, with both AT&T and Verizon Wireless (in conjunction with Vodafone) likely setting their sights on the standard. Nokia today announced that the first round of testing is going well,

and they're on the way to offering 100Mbps wireless broadband:

From a technical perspective, 3GPP LTE technology aims to provide improved spectral efficiency, increased radio capacity, lower latency, lower operating costs for operators, and ultimately new high-performance mobile broadband end-user services. 3GPP LTE is specified to enable downlink/uplink peak data rates above 100/50 Mbps in initial deployment configurations.

The company insists that the the technology should see deployment in "the 2010 timeframe," which likely means 2012 or later before you'll get your hands on it.

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John Galt @ 7th Nov 09:39AM:
Say...

Isn't the world supposed to end on Sunday, December 23, 2012...?

»www.greatdreams.com/end-world.htm

Sounds like they will only have to make half a dozen phones or so.
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Matt @ 7th Nov 09:46AM:
Actual Throughput?

I wonder what the latency and actual throughput numbers will look like with an overloaded cell tower and protocol overhead?

Regardless, this could be interesting as I'd like to take a reasonably middle-ground latency, high bandwidth connection with me on the go.
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nasadude @ 7th Nov 09:48AM:
if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell ya

we're not going to have wired 100Mbps by 2010, much less wireless.

even if these speeds are offered, we're talking ATT and Verizon here - it will probably be capped and one can only access telco offered content at the full speed. What do they expect people to do with these speeds with the restrictions they will likely require?

I'm not even going to speculate on price.
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BabyBear @ 7th Nov 10:01AM:
Re: if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell ya

You forgot to add 100Mbps BPL to that too. ;)

And something about a Space Odyssey too! :)
"You've gone over your cap, dave!"
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telcolackey @ 7th Nov 10:42AM:
Unlimited flat rates

With speed growing towards 100Mbps do people really think that unlimited flat rate is a business reality?
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Vamp @ 7th Nov 10:53AM:
Re: if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell ya

said by nasadude :

we're not going to have wired 100Mbps by 2010, much less wireless.

even if these speeds are offered, we're talking ATT and Verizon here - it will probably be capped and one can only access telco offered content at the full speed. What do they expect people to do with these speeds with the restrictions they will likely require?

I'm not even going to speculate on price.

I will bet you $1000 (check back to this post in 2010) that Verizon FIOS will offer 100Megabit package at a decent price by the end of 2010.

However, since we both live in MD, they will still be lagging with Verizon's discriminative deployment.

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karlmarx @ 7th Nov 11:08AM:
And verizon will sell it as 'unlimited'

Well, as long as you don't use more than 5GB/month
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Edward1978 @ 7th Nov 11:15AM:
Will it be here?

In Extrreme Southern Illiniose, the few very botton counties are still dial-up. I always thought the world would end before real broadband got down to "them parts"
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kaila @ 7th Nov 11:37AM:
Re: Will it be here?

Not sure where it will end up, but where I live in the middle of Chicago suburbia, 2012 is the year AT&T says we should finally get DSL. Go figure....
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ShadezeRO @ 7th Nov 11:38AM:
Re: And verizon will sell it as 'unlimited'

Hmm, and Comcast might put some Throttling on that as well

..I mean, they might just want to manage the network a little better.
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anon @ 7th Nov 11:42AM:
What is the point?

I am not sure what it is like in the States but here in Canada it cost 25 bucks for 4 megs on my treo 700wx with telus mobility, 100 Mbps would let me reach that in record time.
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anon @ 7th Nov 12:14PM:
Re: if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell ya

The problem in Maryland isnt that Verizon doesnt want to deploy the system, its that the state wants a 5% sales tax added to all the fios/dsl hubs from verizon and they screw that. Main pressure is coming from Comcast lobbyists here in Montgomery county where Comcast is king with the county.
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bassnguitar @ 7th Nov 12:33PM:
Re: Will it be here?

At the very least, at&t is giving you a date. My dates from charter and at&t is maybe, sometime, we don't know, maybe never etc.... BTW I'm not that far off the grid from either.
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xenophon @ 7th Nov 12:40PM:
Re: Actual Throughput?

The challenge will be providing enough backhaul to every site to supply that much to each user. Is a major challenge already with EVDO/HSDPA to just get 2-3Mbps.

BTW, WiMAX 802.16m is spec'd to go to 1Gbps but we'll probably never see it. Sprint actually has enough spectrum to do 1Gbps. Might be used for backhaul.

»www.dailywireless.org/2007/02/20···00-mbps/

WiMAX is way ahead of LTE.
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en102 @ 7th Nov 01:28PM:
Re: Actual Throughput?

True... while WiMAX is way ahead of LTE and UMB, WiMAX is still a relatively new product out there, and isn't compatible with anything else.
I suspect the GSMA will ensure that LTE is backward compatible with UMTS/HSDPA/GSM networks which already have +2.5 billion subs.
Similarly, CDMA has +375 million subs in multiple countries. UMB would most likely fail back to CDMA 1x/EVDO networks.

WiMAX would fail back to ?? WiFi?
WiMAX needs to deploy lots of gear globally with lots of retail equipment.
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anon @ 7th Nov 01:30PM:
Proxim?

I see the stuff by proxim on their site for Wi-max is any of this stuff real true Wi-max... Like if I were to set up a Tsunami MP.11 Model 5054-R Base Station Unit how far could i expect to get away from the base station and for it to work? Price is hefty too will we see it drop...

If it drops to a reasonable 500-800 dollars I could see spending for it as long as it does truely put out decent range...

And what other brands of Wi-max are out there. I don't really want to pay a subscription (i.e. sprint) if i can pay for it and set it up... lol will Wi-max get to that point of Wi-fi?
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xenophon @ 7th Nov 01:37PM:
Re: Actual Throughput?

I'm not certain but I don't think LTE itself will technically be backward compatible to HSPA, but it is likely that an LTE device will include an HSPA radio as well.

WiMAX radios will likely include a WiFi radio in most cases. And is some cases, some of Sprint's WiMAX devices will have EVDO, like combo laptop cards.

But as we've discussed, LTE devices will likely be limited to cellphones and laptop cards and devices controlled by LTE carriers. WiMAX devices are specifically targeting consumer electronics devices, uncontrolled by carriers, so has a chance of much broader penetration. In terms of getting the consumer electronics industry on board, WiMAX is way ahead and will have product out next year.
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dvd536 @ 7th Nov 02:28PM:
Re: if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell ya

said by Vamp :

However, since we both live in MD, they will still be lagging with Verizon's discriminative deployment.

discriminative deployment is better than no deployment[what qwest areas are getting]
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matrix3D @ 7th Nov 11:25PM:
Re: Say...

Yeah, and according to Terminator 2 the world should've ended in August of 1997.
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anon @ 14th Nov 03:04PM:
dailup!

I think the whole Idea of long range dial up modems ;)
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ditka_b @ 20th Nov 02:05AM:
Re: if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell ya

Do any of you realize what it would take to offer more than 3-5mbps for cellular carriers?
95% of cell sites run off a single or multiple T1's that cost 1000's a month in many locations. To offer 100mbps would entail multiples of billions of dollars that frankly could never be recouped as noone would pay the 500 (450 for inet, 50 for 1000 minutes) a month for access that would be needed to even consider breaking even.
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