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VDSL Technology Gaining Ground
This Rocky Mountain News article explores one user's experience in a pilot program of Qwest's VDSL (Very High Speed DSL) technology: "Chris Britton can get dozens of channels of television, high-speed Internet service and telephone service from Qwest -- all over ordinary copper phone wires." While the economics don't quite add up yet, Qwest is still hoping to bring VDSL to the masses within the next few years. (Decades?)
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Anon

Pie in the sky?

I'm happy for Chris Britton, but I'll believe it when I see it.
2farfromCO7
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total pipe dream

Wake me when it's 2 years away. I've completely given up on Americrap to ever deploy an RT. I just ditched Ameritech for local phone service in favor of MCI with a free first month and complete service including call waiting and all taxes and fees for just $19. Yeah, I know only losers living 18365ft from the CO brag about local phone service deals. I'm happy to stick it to Americrap. I'm no longer paying any monopolies. I hate them all and mortally despise all who work for them. I can safely say that almost all of my money goes to the Democratic party and none to the Republican party.

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Re: total pipe dream

said by 2farfromCO:
I can safely say that almost all of my money goes to the Democratic party and none to the Republican party.
Check that story on Daley becoming the next president of SBC? It's getting to be that you don't know who you can trust, any more. VDSL could negate the entire "Copper is Dead" story from last week.
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

I was never a fan of Clinton/Gore who were just as much of suckups to the monopolies as the Republicans. I voted for Ralph Nader for pres last year, so frankly, it doesn't suprise me that Daley would take this position anyways. No pro consumer democrat is an ally of Daley and this clearly won't make them allies with SBC/AmeriCrap.
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Both parties are guilty of protecting the monopolies, whenever they get the chance. The Tauzin-Dingell bill is a perfect example.
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Yeah right, like MCI doesn't contribute to both parties.
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

Why would WorldCom(MCI) contribute the Republicans. They are dead set on passing TD. They in favor of gutting all the regulations that are the lifelines that keep MCI in business. This isn't like abortion where there is some desent in the party and a party split. Every Republican from gay log cabin Republicans to right-wing Christiaon conservatives are in agreement that the government has no place regulating business any business. There's no money that would change that so why would MCI throw out money that will only help hasten their downfall(TD).
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I wish I could get that kind of a deal here in NY. After taxes, bundled features and all, I still pay around $30 minimum with MCI. I don't trust MCI anyway. I signed up for MCI WorldCom wireless a year ago now. Not only did I never receive a bill, but I was always called with collection notices, and even once my phone was turned off. Funny thing is that I stuck it out until the contract expired so I didn't have to pay an early termination penalty, and now that the contract has expired the collection phone calls stopped, and the cell phone hasn't been turned off. Way to go WorldCom!! I see how they pay their bills!!

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said by 2farfromCO:
Wake me when it's 2 years away. I've completely given up on Americrap to ever deploy an RT. I just ditched Ameritech for local phone service in favor of MCI with a free first month and complete service including call waiting and all taxes and fees for just $19. Yeah, I know only losers living 18365ft from the CO brag about local phone service deals. I'm happy to stick it to Americrap. I'm no longer paying any monopolies. I hate them all and mortally despise all who work for them. I can safely say that almost all of my money goes to the Democratic party and none to the Republican party.
No offense but are you ever going to get over not being able to have broadband? I have seen numerous posts by you where all you do is rant about how everyone sucks because you can't get it. Yeah yeah I know you live in a wealthy suburb....but come on GET OVER IT. Write your congressman and express your dissatisfaction. Maybe he/she can help.

You comment "mortally despise all who work for them...." leaves a lot of room for maturity. These people work just as hard as any other industry. And keep in mind, only a handful of people would make the decision on an RT installation. Holding "all who work for them.." accountable is just ignorant.

I agree with you... go to the CLEC's. I am sure Ameritech, and their reps for that matter, are delighted not having you calling them daily inquiring "Is the RT up yet?"

Sorry all, I guess I get tired of hearing the Bell's suck. I guess people need to realize it is not always cost effective to make CO's broadband compatible. The same applies to cable. That is why many went to satellite dishes when cable was not available. Not all cable areas today are broadband compatible.

As far as VDSL is concerned, it is just another technology that will be awhile to implement. Highlands Ranch is a great test area though. I am surprised by the price though. I would think it would be higher. Especially in that area where the income levels are relatively high.

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Re: total pipe dream

I agree with Blue, stop complaining and shell out the bucks for DirectPC, or cable (if available). Anyone who wants broadband bad enough has an option.
2farfromCO7
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Farmington, MI

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Re: total pipe dream

Cable modems in my city are $85/month one way or another. That's a complete outrage. Not everybody has reasonable options even in wealthy INNER suburbs.

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Re: total pipe dream

OK so the bottom line is broadband is available to you, but not at a price you are willing to spend. Is that $85 including a monthly modem rental? If so, you could buy one cheap on eBay that would probably drop that monthly price by $15-$20 a month. That also sounds like a stand alone rate. Are you a current cable subscriber?
xxx8
join:2000-10-15
Falls Church, VA

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Re: total pipe dream

Question - Has anyone tried to "multilink" 2 modems to get better speed? Does it work?

anon_5224
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Re: total pipe dream

i've heard of that for dialup. if you were to subscribe twice for cable, then i guess you could. The only thing is, how are you gonna do it> wasn't it you connect the out from modem #1 to the in of modem #2 with dial? Well with cable there is only USB/Ethernet-out. Maybe you'd have to use a hub/switch, etc. modified maybe and connect both cable modems to that, then use the uplink to go to your pc? im sure there's some major $ and time involved- so maybe in the end it's better to go with your cable co's biz service or an SDSL with similar speeds...

also let's not forget that the bandwidth on cable is shared, so no doubt the increased speed won't be all that noticeable. and one last thing- most cable co's (and ISPs) won't sell you two services- they'll just talk you into an extra IP since to them (in their limited point of view) that's all you 'need' to be online...you really have to dig deep to get info out of some of those people...

purplejello
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Re: total pipe dream

Multilinking, especially for broadband, is a nice idea; with DSL, it would be a fairly simple concept... If you have 2 phone lines in the house (different numbers), get DSL for both and connect both to the computer... However, Microsoft (if you are using Windows) prevents this by only allowing one Broadband connection to the internet at one time (even if they are bridged). Whether this started with Windows XP or not, I do not know... I have XP Pro and know for a fact it is impossible to use 2 broadband connections at once with it. If there is another operating system where this is possible, please respond in the forum.
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Time Warner doesn't allow you to buy your own cable modem. The $85/month rate is for non-cable subscribers. Every other city in America gets charged less than $60/month for non-cable customers. The $85/month rate is abou 42% higher than anybody else in America is charged for a cable modem. That's not capitalism. The reason we are getting ripped off is because they are passing on their mistake of buying our cities to us abusing their monopoly power. You're obviously a Republican who thinks there's no such thing as a monopoly unless you're forced to buy a product from only one company or die. Face cable is a monopoly. Socializing cable would increase productivity 10 fold. I'm so sick of people not challenging this Republican big government is always bad mantra. The Republicans are dead wrong on this issue.

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Re: total pipe dream

said by 2farfromCO:
You're obviously a Republican who thinks there's no such thing as a monopoly unless you're forced to buy a product from only one company or die. Face cable is a monopoly. Socializing cable would increase productivity 10 fold. I'm so sick of people not challenging this Republican big government is always bad mantra. The Republicans are dead wrong on this issue.
Actually I am someone who works in IT that needs broadband access. If it were a $100 a month, I would still order it. But that is me. I am sure many others agree with me.

And as far as monopolies are concerned....isn't America based on capitalism? Isn't it the dream to create something that everyone will buy from you to make you wealthy? I guess when it comes to cable companies, the Baby Bells, Microsoft etc. they do not have that luxury? My feelings are if we can re-sell the bell equipment or utilities because it is a "monopoly" I want to re-sell Microsoft, Oracle, Mcdonald's and Starbucks. Bottom line is the technology is available to anyone. You or I could build a cable company or electric/gas company. I just do not think we should be able to jump on someone else's business, use their network, utility poles etc. to basically become a re-biller. You want their customers....build your own facilities. That is called competiton.
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

Your're sounding like a Republican. You're the typical young IT guy who thinks he's being liberal, but is really being right wing conservative. San Francisco is full of them. YOU CAN'T COMPARE McDonalds to infrastructure. It's in nobody's best interest to have to infratructrure systems in any city. Your sharing argument even demonstrates that. Sharing poles???? I don't know what your city looks like, but in mine there's only 1 system of poles runnning along the roads. These contain, cable, telephone and electricity. Maybe we should have 3 pole systems running along the roads because companies should build their own poles. The fact is infrastructure is something that the city has a vested interest in. Plus, as far as cable TV competition, all of the cable companies(RBOCs offering cable service in select markets are not cable companies) have signed illegal and unwritten, but ironclad non-competing agreements. We begged on our hands and knees to all of the other cable companies and none of them would budge even though they could charge higher rates than all of their cities and still undercut TWC, because they had non-competing agreements with TWC. THIS ISN'T CAPITALISM!!!!! This is 10,000 times worse than anything Microsoft was ever accused of. Microsoft bullied computer manufacturers, not consumers. Time Warner is bullying consumers using it's monopoly power.

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Re: total pipe dream

said by 2farfromCO:
Your're sounding like a Republican. You're the typical young IT guy who thinks he's being liberal, but is really being right wing conservative. San Francisco is full of them. YOU CAN'T COMPARE McDonalds to infrastructure. It's in nobody's best interest to have to infratructrure systems in any city. Your sharing argument even demonstrates that. Sharing poles???? I don't know what your city looks like, but in mine there's only 1 system of poles runnning along the roads. These contain, cable, telephone and electricity. Maybe we should have 3 pole systems running along the roads because companies should build their own poles. The fact is infrastructure is something that the city has a vested interest in. Plus, as far as cable TV competition, all of the cable companies(RBOCs offering cable service in select markets are not cable companies) have signed illegal and unwritten, but ironclad non-competing agreements. We begged on our hands and knees to all of the other cable companies and none of them would budge even though they could charge higher rates than all of their cities and still undercut TWC, because they had non-competing agreements with TWC. THIS ISN'T CAPITALISM!!!!! This is 10,000 times worse than anything Microsoft was ever accused of. Microsoft bullied computer manufacturers, not consumers. Time Warner is bullying consumers using it's monopoly power.
You realize of course the utilities and cable companies get billed to use the telco poles right?
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Time Warner doesn't allow you to buy your own cable modem. The $85/month rate is for non-cable subscribers.
A. Get Cable tv
B. Stop bitching that you can't get it when you CAN, but don't wanna pay for it
C. Get that damn STICK out of your ass
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

We are charged the highest cable TV rates in the Metro Detroit area: $35.57/month. Why should I pay that when I get more channels far clearer with DishNetwork for just $30.99? Every other city gets charged just $49.95 if you have satellite TV. IF THIS WAS SOCIALIZED EVERYBODY WOULD GET THE SAME FAIR DEAL!!! Socialism is far more productive, efficient, accountable, and responsible to monopolies. NOBODY HAS DISPUTED THAT YET!!!! I GUESS ALL REPUBLICANS AGREE WITH THAT

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Re: total pipe dream

said by 2farfromCO:
We are charged the highest cable TV rates in the Metro Detroit area: $35.57/month. Why should I pay that when I get more channels far clearer with DishNetwork for just $30.99? Every other city gets charged just $49.95 if you have satellite TV. IF THIS WAS SOCIALIZED EVERYBODY WOULD GET THE SAME FAIR DEAL!!! Socialism is far more productive, efficient, accountable, and responsible to monopolies. NOBODY HAS DISPUTED THAT YET!!!! I GUESS ALL REPUBLICANS AGREE WITH THAT
So what you are saying then is there is competition in your area! You state you have a Dish. Cable is also available. I see no monopoly there. I would say your issue is with your dish provider not offering broadband, not anyone elses.

If I sound like a right wing conservative....you sound like someone who finds conspiracy everywhere! Cable companies, like local phone companies, will provide discounts to existing customers for using some of there other products. This is called a marketing strategy!! Do you think Dish Direct and Dish Network do not have similar offers?

I guess being in America, you made a choice. You chose a Dish over Cable for certain reasons. That also cost you broadband service. I say you have no one to blame but yourself. Stop blaming everyone else when the choices are available to you.
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

They aren't a cable company and don't have cable modems. That's what I'm complaining about. There is no excuse for Time Warner to charge $85/month for cable modems for non cable customers when every other city gets charged $50 for non cable customers including probably yours. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE GETTING THE SAME PRICE!!!! PERIOD Why should they charge us $85 and you $50. I mercilessly terrorize Time Warner over this issue.
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Sorry onblue, but not everything is like internet retailers where you can just start up your own company. Infrastructure IS different. It's not competitive and won't ever be competitive. Face it. IF AN INDUSTRY ISN'T AS COMPETITIVE AS COKE AND PEPSI OR THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE, IT'S NOT CAPITALISM. IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN.

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Re: total pipe dream

said by 2farfromCO:
Sorry onblue, but not everything is like internet retailers where you can just start up your own company. Infrastructure IS different. It's not competitive and won't ever be competitive. Face it. IF AN INDUSTRY ISN'T AS COMPETITIVE AS COKE AND PEPSI OR THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE, IT'S NOT CAPITALISM. IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN.
So your entire arguement is "you're a republican" so I am wrong? lol.....

Infrastructure is different, no doubt about it! Let me educate you a bit.... In order to use ROW's (Right of Way's) you need to pay someone to have access to them. Sprint built the first 100% Fiber Optic Network. Everyone said it could not be done. What did they do? They hooked up with the railroads and used their ROW's. Do you think the Government backed Sprint? No, they did not. They got investors to back them. Also look up a company called McLeoud USA. They have their own network as well. My point...it can be done and has been done. The Government does not need to be involved. If the CLEC's had built their own networks, many may still be in business. Relying on someone else to provide your customers service is not only dangerous but stupid.
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

said by OCNBLUE:
said by 2farfromCO:

The Government does not need to be involved. If the CLEC's had built their own networks, many may still be in business. Relying on someone else to provide your customers service is not only dangerous but stupid.
Well, that's too late because the Government is already involved. In fact they subsidized AT&T when they first built their telephone network which is now the baby bells. Why shouldn't CLECs get the same advantage then?? Obviously it can't subsidize everybody whos says they want to make their own network. What we need to do is either let RBOC have a total monopoly and intensely regulate it or seperate the infrastructure and create competition. There is either total competition or there isn't. Clearly this middle ground isn't working, but it sure does give Republicans lots of soft money. I call people Republicans who I suspect are more ardent Democrats and more socially liberal than I am. If they realize who favors their viewpoints they are likely to switch their opinion.

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ever hear of municipal taxes? and franchise fees? that's the reason that even within a city you'll have different rates for cable...it's just how it is.

note to any mod reading this: please move entire topic to the politics forum cause this was originally an article about VDSL, correct?
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

I know all about this. My life revolves around my sheer hatred of Time Warner Cable. It's all I think about. It shapes my political views. Our pre municipal rates are $2 higher than every other city in the Metro Detroit area. If you are a Republican all you think about is accountability and responsibility. Those are the core beliefs of the Republican party above all else. The reason Time Warner is overcharging is because they have bad economies of scale here. THEY MADE THE MISTAKE OF BUYING US. THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PASS ON THE COSTS TO US. ANY REPUBLICAN WOULD AGREE OR ELSE THEY ARE HYPOCRIT. Since none of them agree, they are all hypocrits and that's why I'm not a Republican. They will raise hell any time some bumb is on welfare one day longer than they think he should be, but when a huge unregulate monopoly abuses its power in order make innocent customers pay for mistakes that it made, Republicans give it the pass. That's hypocrisy. No Republican can honestly debate that issue.

DSL987
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Helotes, TX

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Re: total pipe dream

said by 2farfromCO:
I know all about this. My life revolves around my sheer hatred of Time Warner Cable. It's all I think about. It shapes my political views. Our pre municipal rates are $2 higher than every other city in the Metro Detroit area. If you are a Republican all you think about is accountability and responsibility. Those are the core beliefs of the Republican party above all else. The reason Time Warner is overcharging is because they have bad economies of scale here. THEY MADE THE MISTAKE OF BUYING US. THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PASS ON THE COSTS TO US. ANY REPUBLICAN WOULD AGREE OR ELSE THEY ARE HYPOCRIT. Since none of them agree, they are all hypocrits and that's why I'm not a Republican. They will raise hell any time some bumb is on welfare one day longer than they think he should be, but when a huge unregulate monopoly abuses its power in order make innocent customers pay for mistakes that it made, Republicans give it the pass. That's hypocrisy. No Republican can honestly debate that issue.
So you would rather have everything socialized, where all services are available to everybody at a reasonable rate because of Government subsidies and end up paying double what you pay now in taxes ?
Seems to me that it would be cheaper to pay the $85/month for the cable than go the other route. Believe me, I've lived in Socialized countries and it wasn't that great.
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If that's for full basic ANALOG cable, then it's barely more than the $ 34.95 I pay Comcast for similar service.
2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

Yeah, but the $85 is $35 or 70% higher than what you get charged if you don't have cable tv for non-cable customers. Give me one example of any product anwhere that's 70% higher in a city surrounding city with otherwise similar demographics and I'll give you somebody who is losing their job. People don't stand for paying 70% more for the same thing in the capitalistic system. There is no excuse for this whatsoever. Time Warner's cost per customer is far higher than Comcast's, but that's their fault. They should be held accountable. ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY THOSE ARE THE WORDS I LIVE BY!!!! CABLE TV IS FURTHER FROM CAPITALISM THAN CUBA!!!!!!!

belawrence
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Re: total pipe dream

Very true. If an RBOC surcharged people who use another DSL ISP instead of them the regulators would be all over them. But cable monopolies are basically allowed to do whatever they want with no where near the amount of regulation as a RBOC.

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I argee with you, why paying high price for few channels through cable service, Since I get Everything Pak America Top 150 that's including preimum movies channels for only 48.00/with I like 9.00 a month promotion for commit 12 consecutive months(Reg price 69.99), but DirecTV or the Cable for everything package they do usually charge more than 85.00 to 100.00 per month so If I were you I'd stick with DishNetwork, by the way DishNetwork does offer high speed internet, but it's goes over with Starband! You know I see DishNetwork advertisment trying to make previous cable user to switch over Dishnetwork that's good thing =)!

DSL987
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said by 2farfromCO:
We are charged the highest cable TV rates in the Metro Detroit area: $35.57/month. Why should I pay that when I get more channels far clearer with DishNetwork for just $30.99? Every other city gets charged just $49.95 if you have satellite TV. IF THIS WAS SOCIALIZED EVERYBODY WOULD GET THE SAME FAIR DEAL!!! Socialism is far more productive, efficient, accountable, and responsible to monopolies. NOBODY HAS DISPUTED THAT YET!!!! I GUESS ALL REPUBLICANS AGREE WITH THAT
If you like socialism so much then why don't you move to a Socialist country ?

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is rush limbaugh even on right now? when did this become an open forum for D vs R politics anyway? I guess i've been wrong all this time watching the democrats produce the biggest government- healthcare, etc. all run by them and thinking they were 'big'- all along it's been the republicans? i'm not even that interested so nevermind.

anyway i agree that the cable co, as well as all the major utilities need to be regulated- on a city-by-city basis. and in theory we can make this happen- all we need to do is attend a city council meeting and add it to the list. we all sit back and watch companies and even government(s) get bigger and bigger and never bother to see if we may be of partial blame. this is our country/state/city/street people- take action right now. otherwise shut up and take it along with all the other lazy cake-eaters
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2farfromCO7
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Re: total pipe dream

Yeah, they can get as big as they want, but when they screw up and your city ends up getting charged 25% more than surrounding cities for worse service somebody will be voted out of office. It's called democracy and accountability. With the monopolies we have now, the cable companies face no accountability, they can pass on whatever excess costs they encur for whatever mistakes they make without consequences. People have been bitching out the head of Time Warner Cable in our city in his face at cable commission meetings and he could care less. They can't do anything to him or Time Warner so he doesn't have to listen to them. That's not accountability.

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I have Time Warner Cable RoadRunner and my cable bill is $39.00 a month and thats including the modem........Better call your local office and ask why such a high rate...You only live a few hours north of me so there shouldn't be such a high increase in the price

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dude, just move to where the access choices are!!! you don't live in greenland and expect to grow cactus...the environment won't support it.

you sound like the businesses I used to pitch SDSL to...they'd complain endlessly about how they know they can get x-service when their location qualifies them for y-choices, and how they're too cheap to pay for a T-1 thru the LEC. i don't know your situation, but moving is always an option, or shill out the bucks to get a T...just stop whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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okay first of all 2farfromco, please, for the live of god, shut up about not being able to get broadband because you can. Secondly, why don't you move if you hate them so much? Thirdly, I pay 100 a month for broadband. 85 is not that much. either stop whining about it and keep your mouth shut, or pay the price and get the broadband. because i'm sorry but nobody wants to hear about how their wrong because they are a republican. you have no base for your arguments. basically its you want what u want when u want it or their a republican and you curse them off. please, just leave if you are just going to whine about it. really.
System

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No incentive for bells to deploy it

With those nasty CLEC's out of the way, the bells (especially SBC) are laying off employees left and right. ASI (SBC's DSL in house provider) has been hit especially hard.

I've harped on this for a while now, and this only applies to Ameritech: Get out of the residential DSL biz. This entire region is a wasteland of inactive RT's that now have no staff to support them. You obviously aren't committed so get out before you trash your reputation further. Concentrate on the things you do well and make money on- nothing else.

Brendan
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Deployment

Keep in mind Qwest is only deploying VDSL to the Tier-1 metro markets within its service area- Phoenix, Greater Denver (which includes Castle Rock, Boulder, and other parts of Northern Colorado), and Omaha. I'm sure Minneapolis / St. Paul will be next. Point is, VDSL is still *way* off in the future for the rest of us in Qwest's service area. I can't complain (now)- at least they're deploying RDSLAM's, to an extent, for ADSL access.
lesopp
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Land O Lakes, FL

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Re: Deployment

said by PIC:
- at least they're deploying RDSLAM's, to an extent, for ADSL access.

If they're deploying remotes to meet an ADSL standard chances are you'll never VDSL. Since ADSL can go a greater distance, usually 12000 to 15000 feet, they will not deploy enough remotes to blanket the same area being served by ADSL. SO unless you're within 4500 feet of the remote don't hold your breath. Several years ago GTE (now Verizon) tried it in Pinnellas county Florida (Tampa Bay area). It wasn't a money maker and it took them several years just to sell it off. AOL Time Warner is the predominant cable provider so I guess it goes to show that an ILEC can't compete (or doesn't know how to compete) in the real world.

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Re: Deployment

said by lesopp:
If they're deploying remotes to meet an ADSL standard chances are you'll never VDSL. . . . AOL Time Warner is the predominant cable provider so I guess it goes to show that an ILEC can't compete (or doesn't know how to compete) in the real world.
Sorry, you comment about VDSL deployment over an existing RT DSL infrastructure is just plain wrong. Its true that if you are more than several thousand feet from the RT where the fiber terminates, the telco is going to have to extend the fiber to the curb or cabinet. And that's what they'll likely do. It either that or FTTH. Telcos such as SBC that are deploying RTs in the neighborhoods (at least until last month), have designed their infrastructure to accommodate future deepening of the fiber along the loop. If you don't realize this, then are very misinformed.

While your comment about AOL-TWX has some merit, as it is among the top MSOs out there with plenty of advanced infrastructure, particularly in Central Florida where the plant was installed brand new as subdivisions were developed, your comment also wreaks of bias as well as being misinformed. The telcos can compete . . . but only if the Federal gov't would relieve them of excess regulations that severely restricts their ability to compete with the MSOs, which happen to enjoy the most favorable regulatory environment in years.

C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Tempe, AZ

C0deZer0

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Curious...

Let's suppose that this does go through...

What are supposed to be the speeds one can receive on VDSL?

How do they compare to G.SHDSL?

From what I know, G.SHDSL can give about 5Mbps total bandwidth (2.5Mbps down/up, or 4.5Mbps down/~600K up); also, from what I understand, G.SHDSL would be cheaper than current ADSL, and could reach farther (up to 19 miles from the nearest actual CO, as long as you have the proper repeaters).

Wouldn't it be more practical to go w/ SHDSL?

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alanhdsl
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Phoenix, AZ

alanhdsl

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One of the lucky few

I'm in central Phoenix, and I do actually have VDSL right now. I've got a full review in the Qwest reviews area. I'm actually quite pleased with the service, but I realize that the limited availability is a big problem.

The VDSL connection itself is 55Mb, but most of that is taken up by three MPEG video streams. I have the 1Mb up/down internet service, though they offer a slower one for less money. The three video streams allow you to watch or tape three different channels at once. The channel switching is done at the head end, so they don't have to send you all 100+ channels at once. I'm about 800 feet from the VDSL cabinet. Every cabinet must have a fibre feed, so this requires a major investment by Qwest. I think the normal remote DSLAMs can be serviced by T1s.

Uptime has been good. The only problem I've had is the box getting its times confused when daylight savings ended; Phoenix doesn't go on DST, but it adjusted everything by an hour anyway.
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Anon

Quest is finally seeing the light !!!

Why Would a Telco Want TV?
Telephone companies are facing intense pressures in today's market. Fierce competition, coupled with the proliferation of digital and wireless telephony, is having significant effects on telephone companies' long distance revenue streams. Cable companies are beginning to offer cable telephony, making inroads into telephone companies' customer base. Beyond that, research suggests that today's consumer expects enhanced service packages and prefers the convenience of bundled services from a single provider. Research also suggests that bundling communications services decreases churn, allowing multi-service providers to establish significant and long-lasting relationships with their customers. Given all of these developments, it is becoming imperative that telephone companies expand their service offering to include not only data but also the most popular source of entertainment in the United States - television.

The main reason a telco would want to deploy the TV, beyond the fact that it can significantly increase per subscriber revenue by expanding a telcos' service platform, and ignoring that it can greatly reduce customer churn rates.

The idea to provide TV over dsl has been around since the 80's, but when the internet came around. Companies focused on providing web connections then TV.

There are a # of companies trying to provide the service of TV, PHONE, and DSL internet access.

But in my research I have only come across one company that I believe is the only leader in this field, and has the most experience so far.

mPhase Tech. has so far three testing beds in the world, and the fourth should be up soon. This makes them far ahead of there competition.

mPhase has more detail information on the company, and who they are working with and have deployed there technology to. Look at there web page for info.
»www.mphasetech.com/index.html

jwilkerson
@den1.dsl.speakeasy.n

jwilkerson

Anon

Re: Quest is finally seeing the light !!!

The problem with Quest/U.S. West is not a problem with technology. It is a complete lack of customer service. ANY service they advertise (they do a lot of advertising) is limited my their pathetic inability to deliver, support, and bill for those services.