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200kbps Officially No Longer Qualifies As 'Broadband'
Only took the FCC a decade to stop making decisions based on bad data....
10:20AM Friday Jun 13 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: legal · prices · competition · fcc · business · bandwidth
I've been complaining about the way the FCC tracks broadband penetration in this country for years. The agency has long considered 200kbps to be a broadband connection, and believes that if one person in a zip code has broadband, that entire zip-code is wired for service. That's a fairly big deal, given they've made massive, sweeping changes to the industry over the last decade based on completely inaccurate data.

We can write reports that conclude that Americans are receiving broadband in a reasonable and timely fashion. But the facts are always there, glaring and staring us in the face, showing us where we really stand.
-FCC Commissioner Michael Copps
Given that more accurate data would highlight a lack of competition and coverage in many markets, the largest broadband providers have fought tooth and nail to prevent any change in this fairly convenient political scenario. Last March the FCC voted to finally change the way they track broadband after a decade of criticism.

The FCC has shifted the definition of broadband from 200kbps to 768kbps, probably not as high as it should be, but a vast improvement. The agency says they'll also start tracking both downstream and upstream speeds and will scrap the zip code tracking methodology for more substantive census-track level reporting. Carriers still won't be required to release data on the prices they charge for different speeds.

Today that order officially went into effect. But ironically, just as when the changes were announced in March, the news was accompanied by a yet another of the agency's infamous rose colored glasses reports (pdf) claiming all was well in the U.S. broadband market. While Commission boss Kevin Martin took time to pat himself on the back for ideas like deregulating the increasingly irrelevant powerline broadband industry, Commissioner Michael Copps was considerably more critical:
Based on a paucity of data – mostly primitive and generally-unhelpful – these reports claim progress that simply did not reflect reality. The data lacked a plausible definition of broadband, employed stunningly meaningless zip code measurements concerning its geographic distribution, ignored the prices people paid for broadband completely, and for years failed to look at what other countries were doing to get broadband deployed to their people.
And given the fact that this latest report used that same data methodology, Copps wasn't impressed:
We can write reports that conclude that Americans are receiving broadband in a reasonable and timely fashion. But the facts are always there, glaring and staring us in the face, showing us where we really stand. The fact is that your country and mine has never had any cognizable national broadband strategy to get the job done.
Actually mapping penetration is the first step. While much-needed changes finally arrived, they arrived only after a decade of in-fighting, during which industry lobbyists convinced Congress and the FCC to engage in sweeping deregulation of the industry, using flawed FCC data as a cornerstone. Perhaps the next time the FCC makes a decision that impacts the broadband market, they might actually know something about it.

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TK Junk Mail @ 13th Jun 10:10AM:
My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

agency's infamous rose colored glasses reports (pdf)
If you try to open the fcc.gov pdf file linked at this story, it shows up as malware. It may be a false positive and again it may not. So be cautious.

I also went directly to the fcc.gov web site and tried the download there as well and got the same malware alert.

The 706 report in both word & acrobat versions is showing the problem. The Broadband R&O report is ok:
6/12/08
FCC Expands, Improves Broadband Data Collection.
Broadband Data R&O: Word | Acrobat
706 Report: Word | Acrobat
[att=1]Link to explanation of vulnerability:
»nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2007-3896

P.S. I emailed the webmaster at fcc.gov and hopefully he checks out the situation.
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dslwanter @ 13th Jun 10:26AM:
I don't have broadband anymore then



Pretty far from the central office, AT&T will not put any new RTs in around here, no sign of U-Verse, and our "new fiber optic cable system" from Armstrong Cable isn't active yet. The 107kbps is due to the face I'm constantly broadcasting 64kbps with my internet radio station...but still.
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neosolace @ 13th Jun 10:32AM:
Better...

but still doesn't change the fact that noone serves our area!
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tshirt @ 13th Jun 10:37AM:
This is excellent news

"The FCC has shifted the definition of broadband from 200kbps to 768kbps, probably not as high as it should be, but a vast improvement. The agency says they'll also start tracking both downstream and upstream speeds and will scrap the zip code tracking methodology for more substantive census-track level reporting."

This is excellent news, Not only is the "entry level" broadband minimum speed moving up to a more resonable number, by moving census tracts (about 4000 individuals, less than 140 households per tract) we will see much representive value of coverage (something actually map-able)
Unfortunately, the delay means these question won't make it in the 2010 census (finalize questions were just submitted to congress)but shouldn't stop them from doing a yearly survey.
This certainly seems as an important a metric as how many toliets (as long as you have at least one) or tv sets per household.
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tshirt @ 13th Jun 10:43AM:
Re: Better...

said by neosolace :

but still doesn't change the fact that noone serves our area!
But at least they would be offically aware of it, and perhaps direct some of the some of the funding intended for rural improvements to your area.

BTW satellite coverage is available in your area
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Skeedatl @ 13th Jun 10:44AM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

Maybe it's a false positive. NOD32 didn't see anything.

Or perhaps, like me, your AV thinks everything the gov't does is Malware LOL
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TK Junk Mail @ 13th Jun 10:55AM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

said by Skeedatl :

Maybe it's a false positive. NOD32 didn't see anything.

Or perhaps, like me, your AV thinks everything the gov't does is Malware LOL
It could very well be a false positive, but I won't push my luck by opening it anyway. Avast works for me, but it has been accused of having false positives in the Web Monitor module when set on the "High" setting. But this is the 1st hit I have gotten in months, so I won't push my luck.
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anon @ 13th Jun 11:12AM:
hmm

so im guessing this 256/64(So Called DSL in my Country) is like Dial-up for me,


which we'r paying $33/month with a 3GB Download/3GB upload cap(Ya i know it sucks)+paying a $10/GB if u pass it, and last month, the bill came at $33+$56.5(extra)=$89.5 TOTAL :mad:

yet there u guys can't call 200kbps with no limits Broadband

Fuck my Country's Damn Internet

wish i could "Atleast" Have a 768 "Broadband" Connection, little lo a "Real" 1Mbps+ Unlimited DSL connection :(

you Guys Are Lucky :huh:
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TK Junk Mail @ 13th Jun 11:15AM:
Suggestion for BBR broadband report on speeds

The FCC has a new grid for providers to report their speeds download & upload by census tracts.
[att=1]

Maybe someone at BBR could write a program to take the speed database info( »/archive?f=g ) BBR collects and plug counts in to this grid and then show the report based on BBR user speed tests. It could show how many speed test results fall in to each of the grid locations. And if some BBR programmer is really ambitious, they could then show a separate grid for each ISP provider in the database.

I realize that BBR does supply speed distribution graphs, but it would be helpful to see how the test results map in to the new FCC categories.

I put this suggestion in to the non-forum feature requests forum here at BBR. Add your thoughts there if you are interested:
»New online report showing speeds in new FCC report format
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anon @ 13th Jun 11:20AM:
+

+ i asked one of my friends how fast his connection was, he told me


:uhh:

and i was like :o
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neosolace @ 13th Jun 11:25AM:
Re: Better...

Ok....let me rephrase that. Noone that can provide a reliable, halfway useful connection that doesn't completely suck beyond all belief, serves my area. So, satellite doesn't count! :D
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tshirt @ 13th Jun 11:42AM:
Re: Suggestion for BBR broadband report on speeds

Actually, the federal gov. has a lot of that covered with th TIGER map system intended for census mapping, that is once all the info is reported, checked, compiled, and entered. This won't happen overnight, and I could see eventually showing not just what is available per provder, but being able to see what the actual population chooses to use. (they will need to add the pricing info, at some point)
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anon @ 13th Jun 12:08PM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

You should send the details to the anti-virus people.
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Boogeyman @ 13th Jun 12:11PM:
Re: hmm

A large portion of the US is in the same boat you are. Which is why we want reliable broadband penatration stats and no more of this one connection per zip code means the whole zip is wired.

When I lived in Colorado, I would have killed for the speeds you are getting now. We were lucky to get 24k. Our average connection speed was 19k. (Yes, dial up).

What country are you in btw?
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TK Junk Mail @ 13th Jun 12:24PM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

said by Hehe :

You should send the details to the anti-virus people.
I forwarded the info to Avast. What they do with it is up to them. Maybe they will find it is a false positive and will modify their Virus database and push out a new update later on.
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lorennerol @ 13th Jun 12:32PM:
Just excluded iPhone 3G

Stevie J better watch the hype-machine around the 3G iPhone, as it just got excluded from the broadband club.

:)
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jc100 @ 13th Jun 12:33PM:
Re: hmm

I think he's in greece. I googled the server he used to do the speed test.
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TK Junk Mail @ 13th Jun 12:37PM:
Re: Just excluded iPhone 3G

said by lorennerol :

Stevie J better watch the hype-machine around the 3G iPhone, as it just got excluded from the broadband club.

:)
I understand that the 3G iPhone does better than 768 kbps download. And the new std doesn't have an upload component. They will collect upload numbers, but have set no minimum on upload speeds to be broadband.
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mrchris @ 13th Jun 12:49PM:
Re: +

Not any more different than Cablevision!
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quebecsurfer @ 13th Jun 12:51PM:
Re: hmm

it looks more like Lebanon. Liban in the ISP name means Lebanon in French, and Limassol is in Cyprus.
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DownTheShore @ 13th Jun 01:03PM:
Michael Copps

...can't we get this guy named as head of the commission? He seems to have a brain and knows how to use it.
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jc100 @ 13th Jun 01:12PM:
Re: hmm

Yea it said cyrpus. I was thinking cyrpus was greece but it's independent. My fault.
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jc100 @ 13th Jun 01:13PM:
Re: hmm

Yea it said cyrpus. There's a greek Cyrpus and Turk Cyrpus. However, I guess as a country it is independent. My fault.
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insomniac84 @ 13th Jun 01:26PM:
Not enough

They need to set a minimum upload speed and a maximum latency. Because a fast service with dial-up or higher latency shouldn't be considered broadband.
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wahoospa @ 13th Jun 01:27PM:
I No Longer Hve Broadband Also

My modem says my fastest possible connection is 762 (Kbits/Sec). So I can never get "up 768" promissed by BellSouth.
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Kfedka @ 13th Jun 01:31PM:
768kbps is barely Broadband

When I go from my 8mbps comcast to my 1.5mbps qwest line. Its SO much slower. I can't image anything under 1.5mbps being broadband, let alone 768kbps!
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patcat88 @ 13th Jun 01:43PM:
Re: +

said by mrchris :

Not any more different than Cablevision!
But Cablevision is faster.
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EPS @ 13th Jun 02:07PM:
Why

Why do we need a national broadband definition anyway? Most providers I see don't even use the term "broadband" in their advertising, preferring the generic and undefined "High Speed Internet".
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jmoz2989 @ 13th Jun 02:50PM:
Fallen Behind

My cable company, Adams Cable, still charges $25 for 256kbps download speeds. Yet the next package up, that I am on, is 5Mbps down and 768kbps up for $35. Quite a gap there that $10 makes.
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openbox9 @ 13th Jun 03:02PM:
Re: Not enough

Why? Latency from where to where? First hop? Your ISP's peering point? Too many variables that are out of the control of the ISPs.
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openbox9 @ 13th Jun 03:04PM:
Re: Why

We don't. The definition of broadband does nothing but inflame debates around forums like DSLR.
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Rob @ 13th Jun 03:12PM:
Re: Fallen Behind

said by jmoz2989 :

My cable company, Adams Cable, still charges $25 for 256kbps download speeds. Yet the next package up, that I am on, is 5Mbps down and 768kbps up for $35. Quite a gap there that $10 makes.
5/768 for $35/mo. is pretty good though. Your cable company wants everyone on the higher tier.
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Rob @ 13th Jun 03:12PM:
Re: I No Longer Hve Broadband Also

said by wahoospa :

My modem says my fastest possible connection is 762 (Kbits/Sec). So I can never get "up 768" promissed by BellSouth.
Are you on ADSL2?
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jmoz2989 @ 13th Jun 03:25PM:
Re: Fallen Behind

Yeah, they do push the 5Mbps quite a bit in their advertising. For $35, it satisfies me at least. Its a good thing Adams covers my township, because about a half a mile down the road (on the other side of the county line), there are Comcast lines :p.
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Rob @ 13th Jun 03:26PM:
Re: Fallen Behind

said by jmoz2989 :

Yeah, they do push the 5Mbps quite a bit in their advertising. For $35, it satisfies me at least. Its a good thing Adams covers my township, because about a half a mile down the road (on the other side of the county line), there are Comcast lines :p.
haha. Well, while Comcast does have a reputation for being bad, I'm very happy with them. The Internet speed of 8/2 at $57 is steep, but it's fast. The 6/1 is $42.95/mo.
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robertfl @ 13th Jun 06:17PM:
Re: hmm

then he's better on dial up. what's the point of braodband if you can't use it!

talk about greed

-rob
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Madtown @ 13th Jun 06:32PM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

I have Avast too and I got the same thing too, wonder what's going on too.
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lvlorpheus @ 13th Jun 06:49PM:
Re: Not enough

They need to encourage build-outs in locations that a large percentage of Americans go too. I understand that we can not expect a service provider to build-out a rural network in a county that has a low population density year around. But in a rural county, like the one I live in that has around a million tourists a year, the argument that rural areas are not profitable is pretty weak. Here is a link if any of you are interested.

»www.eurekaspringschamber.com/eco···ment.asp

I know many of you will say I should move if I want broadband, but why should so many people 1/300th of the population of this Country not be able to get the benefits broadband build-outs offer while they are on vacation.
There are large towns in this country that will not see a million people go through them in years much less every year that have more miles of built-out broadband. There are ways to get a return on the investment where I live with remote WiFi login locations. Beaver Dam Site Park which is the fifth busiest Corps of Engineers Park in the United States and 2 miles from my home is just 1 such location.

forgot this link

»www.arkansas-outdoor-adventures.···2007.htm
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insomniac84 @ 13th Jun 07:33PM:
Re: Not enough

I'd start with the fist hop. Because that is in essence what the minimum bandwidth requirement is checking. The connection between you and the ISP. Dialup and satellite have ridiculous first hop latencies and therefore are not broadband.
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Core0000 @ 13th Jun 08:07PM:
Interesting

I have 2megs down and about 300kbps up..

What would this be considered? half broadband? Almost there broadband? lol.

Anyways, this is good new's none the less. I don't expect much of anything out of the government, out of any of the branches..(Anything good that is) but every now and then they manage to take a step forward. And I figure its like a re-tarted dog, you just gotta compliment it and hope it can repeat its self. :D
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benc @ 13th Jun 08:25PM:
About Time! But still not good enough.

200kbps is a joke.

So is whether or not at least one person in a ZIP CODE has at least 200kbps.

However, I still think there needs to be more standards:

- Minimum 3GB/day cap equivalent (90GB/mo).
- Maximum latency, either first hop or second hop.
- Minimum upload speed, say 192Kbit/s or 256kbps.
- Minimum download should be 1Mbps, if not higher.
- Maximum $/Mb, adjustable for inflation. A good number would be $34/Mb. So 3Mbps down could cost $100/mo. and still count. Price maximum must be satisfied with no longer than a 1yr. contract.
- Limits must be without line bonding. Test downloads and uploads by using a single file and a single chunk.

This way, it will exclude options that to me, are clearly NOT broadband or otherwise fail, such as:

- Satellite (latency too high)
- Dial-Up (this is what we wanted to ditch)
- ISDN (though it didn't count even before)
- T1, T3, and higher (costs too much)
- OC3 and higher (costs too much)
- Most Mobile Phone Internet (5GB/mo. cap is a joke; latency sometimes high).

One more thing is to test availability. Oftentimes, people won't buy the fastest speed available.
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ltjordan @ 13th Jun 08:51PM:
Re: Broadband changes.

I guess implementation of any actual changes will only take another ten years. At least this is a start.
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openbox9 @ 13th Jun 11:13PM:
Re: Not enough

So, why should latency be considered in the definition of broadband? I personally believe that tying the definition of broadband to an arbitrary number is pointless in the first place, but I'm curious why you believe latency needs to be in the mix.
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insomniac84 @ 13th Jun 11:40PM:
Re: Not enough

Well high delay means you cannot do anything real time. Such as VoIP, Video conference, play games, remote desktop, etc. Considering online gaming is big and VoIP is getting big, it's stands to reason that someone signing up for broadband expects to be able to do those things over their connection. It does not make sense to set a minimum speed and not set a maximum latency. Both are equally important. Would you really want to call a service with 15mbit download speeds and 1000ms latency broadband? With a 1000ms latency all that connection is going to be good for is torrents, which a lot of companies don't even want you using.
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Skeedatl @ 13th Jun 11:50PM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

As an aside, when I got home I tried with with NAV 11 for Macintosh (which will flag malware for windows) and it passed muster.
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openbox9 @ 14th Jun 12:09AM:
Re: Not enough

VoIP and VTC are fine even with a relatively significant latency. FPS definitely will be impacted by latency. Remote desktop can be more challenging with larger latencies. I don't think it makes sense to define broadband relative to bandwidth so therefore I don't think it makes sense to define maximum latency as part of broadband. Also, ICMP is typically relegated to the bottom of priority so it's challenging to obtain a fair assessment of latency anyway. I just don't see the relevance or benefit.
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insomniac84 @ 14th Jun 12:16AM:
Re: Not enough

You admit that remote desktop and gaming are effected, but then say you don't see the relevance or the benefit. Why?
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openbox9 @ 14th Jun 08:05AM:
Re: Not enough

I don't see the relevance in arbitrarily defining broadband when it's only a definition and has minimal impact on the marketplace. The FCC's definition of broadband only serves to fuel debates in environments like DSLR.
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insomniac84 @ 14th Jun 02:37PM:
Re: Not enough

No it ensures areas without broadband are actually going to get it instead of getting some quasi-braodband service that isn't good enough to do the things one normally wants to do on a broadband connection. Right now the metric is 768kbps download, so a cable company offering 768kbps download via a cable modem and 56kbps upload via dial-up would be considered broadband? I in 2002 my cousin had a service like that. I am not sure if such a service is still around, but if it is, I wouldn't want it being called broadband. It about setting minimum standards so those areas without broadband aren't labeled as having it before they actually do.
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openbox9 @ 14th Jun 05:32PM:
Re: Not enough

How does the FCC defining the word "broadband" ensure service to under served markets?
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EPS @ 14th Jun 05:59PM:
Re: About Time! But still not good enough.

This is a silly argument- it seems like you just want to redefine "broadband" higher and higher until you can say that no one anywhere has access to broadband...

What does that do for you? Most of the stuff you're talking about seems more that you want government regulation to require such features- defining "broadband" means nothing when companies can just call it something else... Comcast's VOIP service isn't POTS, so they can't call it "Phone" service, but how does it really matter that they call it "Digital Voice" instead?
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inteller @ 15th Jun 04:54PM:
So what does this mean for the "High Speed Internet" adverts

Does this mean that thugs like CenturyTel advertising 256k High Speed Internet wont be able to do so any longer?
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insomniac84 @ 16th Jun 12:08AM:
Re: Not enough

That's not what I care about. I really could care less how they use the definition. All I care about is that if they are going to define it, they take into account download, upload, and latency. As all three of those matter when it comes to the services people want to use on broadband. Who knows what will end up using the definition to define their service, but at the very least when people hear the term broadband that should mean they can play games or use their VoIP.
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anon @ 18th Jun 07:40AM:
Lack of competition

Sorry if it seems that I don't feel your pain. But I've been paying about $100 a month for a hard capped 3GB 256kbps line for the last 3 years. A service that that unreliable at best and just absent half the time.

Living in South Africa we have no option but to use Telkom who refuse to upgrade lines. And with no other telecom supplier, why should they?

Think you have it bad?
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cairo @ 2nd Jul 03:01PM:
Zipcode

The article states: "The agency.... believes that if one person in a zip code has broadband, that entire zip-code is wired for service."

13316 is Camden & Florence, NY. Florence has 0 cable & 0 DSL customers yet is counted as having broadband because Camden does have broadband.

Verizon has fiber & DSL cards in Florence but refuses to activate the service. I'd like to know why they won't turn it on.

Starting a WISP is impossible due to the mountains. Verizon refuses to demarc a T1 using their fiber in Florence. Instead they want to charge $800 a month using copper. Elliot Spitzer where are you now that we need you?
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AnonProxy @ 24th Jul 11:53PM:
Re: My virus scanner found malware at FCC link you provided

You need to get your stuff right...
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digitalfreak @ 4th Aug 10:18AM:
Re: Why

said by openbox9 :

We don't. The definition of broadband does nothing but inflame debates around forums like DSLR.
Blah blah blah. We know you and your corporate overlords are against anything the benefits the consumer.
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openbox9 @ 4th Aug 10:32AM:
Re: Why

Flashback? The only one looking over me and pulling my strings is my wife. Considering the fact that I'm a consumer, I kind of like things that will benefit consumers ;) Perhaps you can highlight a few consumer benefits brought about by the definition of a word.
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TK Junk Mail @ 18th Aug 09:59PM:
Re: Suggestion for BBR broadband report on speeds

Any decision on this suggestion?
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