FCC Data Under Fire - Commissioner Copps raises questions
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FCC Data Under Fire
Commissioner Copps raises questions
(old news - 09:22AM Thursday Aug 07 2003)
tags: fcc · stats
The quality of data used by the FCC to predict broadband trends and make widely impacting decisions is under scrutiny by critics and FCC commissioners alike. A report released by the FCC last month indicated that rates for basic cable packages soared 8.2%, ($40.11 a month on average), while the cost of living was up 1.5%.

FCC Commissioners Copps and Adelstein (links to statements in Word format) at the time claimed the FCC's report on the industry offered much less information than in years past, impacting their decision making abilities.

Gene Kimmelman of the Consumer's Union agreed, claiming that the FCC was simply "refusing to gather data that illustrates more thoroughly how cable is entrenching its monopoly." Much of the data provided by cable companies isn't audited, and figures in recent reports have been taken at face value, without much concern for accuracy.

The question of accurate FCC data is being raised again this week, after the FCC's Wireline Competition Bureau released findings that were questioned by Commissioner Michael Copps, who again disputed how the FCC was proceeding with data analysis.

Copps took particular issue with the way the report calculates geographical development, noting that ISP's need only have one single connection enabled in a zip-code in order for that zip code to be considered "serviced" by that ISP.

That measuring stick was used in a June report that claimed that broadband was now available in 88 percent of the nation's zip codes. "We must dig deeper," Copps says of the methodology used. "Finding one high-speed subscriber in a zip code and counting it as service available throughout is not a credible way to proceed."

Copps also takes issue with the WCB's definition of 200Kbps (downstream) as a broadband connection. "I mentioned the 200-kilobit figure that we use to someone the other day, and the response I got was: 'How 1997,'" Copps noted at the WCB's presentation to the FCC on Wednesday.

Michael Powell isn't terribly concerned. "Better data is needed," Powell admits. "But the data we have is still valuable." Who most benefits from the "value" of that data is the billion dollar question.

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Maxo @ 7th Aug 09:38AM:
$$$$

I think it's those large "endorsements" that are getting in the way.
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shuubz @ 7th Aug 09:42AM:
Why ask why?

This administration, through all its appointees, is acting very openly in the corporate interest. Mr. Powell is the biggest visible corporate whore (except for the twosome at the top, of course), but he is one of many.

It is a plague of locusts on the land. They indulge their greed with no regard for the future or the consequences. I'm sure Mr. Powell is due for a cushy job for the rest of his life, as long as he continues to sell the people to the oligopolies.

The same goes for his comrades in all other branches of government. There is no shock value left in it.

When a dog urinates on a fire hydrant, he's not acting like a vandal, he's acting like a dog.

Same for ethics-free corporate whores. They act in self-interest because they know no other way.
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ronpin @ 7th Aug 09:57AM:
Monkey See - Monkey Doo

What the hell -- the gvmt. lies about reasons for war -- why not lie about broadband rollout -- if it makes you look good. At least Clinton told the lie we all tell.
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ib50MbSoon @ 7th Aug 09:57AM:
Available everywhere!

That measuring stick was used in a June report that claimed that broadband was now available in 88 percent of the nation's zip codes. "We must dig deeper," Copps says of the methodology used. "Finding one high-speed subscriber in a zip code and counting it as service available throughout is not a credible way to proceed."

Since the telcos will run a T1 virtually anywhere if you've got the $$$, it would be accurate to say that broadband is available in 100% of the nations zip codes.


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Goldman @ 7th Aug 10:16AM:
Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

said by ronpin:
What the hell -- the gvmt. lies about reasons for war -- why not lie about broadband rollout -- if it makes you look good. At least Clinton told the lie we all tell.


Maybe YOU have to lie to your wife about having sex with other women...I don't.
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Camelot One @ 7th Aug 10:16AM:
I do not call it available

I don't think you can say broad band is "available" in an area until there are at least 2 home user priced options there.

Having only one is not broadband availability, it is broadband monopoly.

And I agree, there is just no way in hell 88% of the country is wired.
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ronpin @ 7th Aug 10:47AM:
Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

Heh heh -- trust me -- you mean not yet
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Maxo @ 7th Aug 10:49AM:
Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

said by ronpin:
Heh heh -- trust me -- you mean not yet

(Turns head, pretends that wasn't heard)
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Unit649 @ 7th Aug 10:59AM:
Re: Available everywhere!

I can guarentee that not to be the case, where my parents live in the mountains of CA, the nearest dialup is in the next zip code over, so although its close, its not in their zipcode. The odds of them getting one are zero also-the biggest business in their zipcode is the single small grocery store that serves the town of 2,000 people. Luckily the phone company up there allows it to be a local number so they don't have to pay long distance to dial into it.

They probably have the capability but I don't see anyone ever taking advantage of it, just nothing up there that needs that kind of bandwith.
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wentlanc @ 7th Aug 11:12AM:
Re: I do not call it available

I second that one. I only have one broadband option in my area. And there are many places in the same zip code that have none.

I think they should make it over 2/3 of a zip code wired to call it available. At the least.

puritan
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nasadude @ 7th Aug 11:17AM:
we know who benefits

"Who most benefits from the "value" of that data is the billion dollar question."

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who benefits from the method and content of the data the FCC is using to make decisions.

Most likely, the decision are already made, they are just taking the data they need to fit the decisions.
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Camelot One @ 7th Aug 11:22AM:
Re: I do not call it available

And I think anything less than 100% of the homes and businesses in a given area is "limited availability", not available.
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Estragon @ 7th Aug 11:31AM:
Re: I do not call it available

You are too kind. I think you should have to meet all of these criteria to declare broadband "available":

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GuggyFresh @ 7th Aug 12:25PM:
Re: we know who benefits

I think it's more that the telcos and MSOs frame the data the way they want it to be read.


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mr sean @ 7th Aug 12:32PM:
Re: Why ask why?

said by shuubz:
Mr. Powell is the biggest visible corporate whore
Billy Tauzin is bitterly disappointed that the Academy did not consider his contributions in this category.
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Nam Vet @ 7th Aug 12:55PM:
we know who benefits

Yep, all those wired zips are in baby bell areas with the 30%
of non-existent,missing equipment that rates are based on.
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shuubz @ 7th Aug 01:02PM:
N/A

Mr. Tauzin is an elected official, not an appointed one. He's not eligible for this booby prize (I think I'll call it the Kenny award, for Kenneth Lay, the dirtbag from Enron).

While Billy may be a dirtbag as well, he likely begged, borrowed and stole his own way into public office.
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oliphant5 @ 7th Aug 01:08PM:
Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

Nice troll.
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oliphant5 @ 7th Aug 01:14PM:
Cost of living doesn't equal cost of business

Why not tie cable prices to gas prices or to the Euro...they're both as equally irrelevant as cost of living.
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xrobertcmx @ 7th Aug 01:52PM:
Until last 2002

I had one option Sat, then I had Verizon DSL available, now I have a choice Verizon 768/128 or Cable. And if I lived two courts back in the town house development I'm in it would be two options Cox Cable or Sat.
Now this isn't that bad, but if I want to ditch Verizon then I have to take Cox or go back to dial up.
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mr sean @ 7th Aug 02:06PM:
Re: N/A

I should have read the fine print
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Boogeyman @ 7th Aug 04:32PM:
Re: Available everywhere!

My aunt and uncle used to live in rural california and the closest dial up they had was long distance. When they called the phone company, they offered to run a t-1 to they're house for around $40k, then however much it was for monthly service. If you have the $, they WILL run a t-1 anywhere, its just not likely or practical for anyone to do so.
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Unit649 @ 7th Aug 04:39PM:
Re: Available everywhere!

I'm sure my parents have fiber passing nearby-lord knows that they run it everywhere now for backbone for phone, but I don't see anyone in that town with the kind of coin needed to tap into it :)
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lotsofplstic @ 7th Aug 04:43PM:
You can't get broadband everywhere!!

If you live in small town you feel lucky if you can get broadband.
A small town 20 miles from where I live you can't get dsl only an over sold cable modem service.
There are so many little town near where I live you can only get sat.
I am lucky I can DSL or cable where I live.
We have Dsl in this town for over two years cable modem service has only been live for almost 5 months.
What really bad one of the towns has a central switching office but SBC does not want to offer DSL there.


[text was edited by author 2003-08-07 18:13:13]

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npyoung @ 8th Aug 01:19AM:
Re: You can't get broadband everywhere!!

Why don't you become a WISP and fix that problem?
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vic102482 @ 8th Aug 03:09AM:
Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

said by ronpin:
Heh heh -- trust me -- you mean not yet


Heheheh:) good one.
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ikarus1 @ 8th Aug 11:47PM:
Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

said by ronpin:
What the hell -- the gvmt. lies about reasons for war -- why not lie about broadband rollout -- if it makes you look good. At least Clinton told the lie we all tell.


Hello??? Anyone home in that place? Nope did not think so...

Chairman of the FCC doubts the reliability of his own statistics and *YOU* question him? What's dat? DUH?

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ikarus1 @ 8th Aug 11:49PM:
Re: Why ask why?

said by shuubz:
This administration, through all its appointees, is acting very openly in the corporate interest. Mr. Powell is the biggest visible corporate whore (except for the twosome at the top, of course), but he is one of many.

It is a plague of locusts on the land. They indulge their greed with no regard for the future or the consequences. I'm sure Mr. Powell is due for a cushy job for the rest of his life, as long as he continues to sell the people to the oligopolies.

The same goes for his comrades in all other branches of government. There is no shock value left in it.

When a dog urinates on a fire hydrant, he's not acting like a vandal, he's acting like a dog.

Same for ethics-free corporate whores. They act in self-interest because they know no other way.


And when a MORON acts like a MORON, what do we call it... Ummmm Yeah! I got it. We call them a MORON... You sir are a MORON.

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shuubz @ 9th Aug 06:48PM:
Consider the source

Truly a carefully thought-out response.

Or perhaps a nice troll.

Please note, your rebuttal had no more reason or logic than a White House press conference.

Since you don't know the clinical meaning of "moron", and your grammar is as weak as your intelligence, I can only assume you are "slow", or retarded, to use the non-PC term.

Hopefully you can develop into a fully functional person if/when you grow up.

Good day.
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jdir @ 11th Jan 01:22AM:
Hahahahaha

200Kbps is broadband? No wonder we're way behind other nations in broadband speed and price. Maybe those folks at the FCC should stop playing with their HAM radio, and morse code and start playing with ethernet.

Look ma - I can download 100K in a second - must be broadband:D:D
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