100Mbps Cable: Pre-DOCSIS 3.0 - Arris solution being deployed in South Korea, UK
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100Mbps Cable: Pre-DOCSIS 3.0
Arris solution being deployed in South Korea, UK
(old news - 06:08PM Thursday Nov 09 2006)
tags: bandwidth · cable
South Korea's third largest cable provider is now offering 100Mbps connectivity to customers over pre-DOCSIS 3.0 hardware, according to the company press release. The service is using a wideband channel-bonded cable modem platform based on ARRIS' pre-3.0 "FlexPath" technology. The Arris solution here is the same one being used in the NTL UK 50Mbps trials, which we discussed earlier this week.

Earlier DOCSIS networks can only support transmissions within a single downstream 6 MHz radio frequency (RF) channel, limiting maximum throughput to around 40Mbps (shared). DOCSIS 3.0 will allow tuning into multiple 6 MHz channels through packet bonding technology, offering shared downstream data rates of 160 Mbps or higher and upstream data rates of 120 Mbps or higher (per channel).

DOCSIS 3.0 also incorporates Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6), and offers a plethora of performance, security and functionality upgrades (CED ran a good primer on the benefits and timeline last October). Of course many American cable networks, usually in less competitive markets, are still under the shadow of DOCSIS 1.1.

An interim standard known as DOCSIS 2.0b was being pushed by equipment vendors as a stopgap measure before DOCSIS 3.0. The standard would have bonded together two or three 6MHz channels to potentially offer customers 40 to 70Mbps downstream, and 30Mbps upstream. Cable CTOs instead wanted to keep their eye on DOCSIS 3.0.

While DOCSIS 2.0b is dead, ARRIS, Motorola, and Cisco are all pitching pre-standard products (with the focus on wideband channel bonding) that will allow cable providers to compete with FTTH deployments until DOCSIS 3.0 takes off. Standardized DOCSIS 3.0 gear isn't expected to start shipping until the tail end of 2007. The last report we saw pegged DOCSIS 3.0 at a projected 60% penetration by 2010.

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ARGONAUT @ 9th Nov 05:14PM:
Slow Going in America

Maybe in twenty years the US will see DOCSIS 3.0 :huh:
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gate1975mlm @ 9th Nov 05:17PM:
Re: Slow Going in America

Try 3 years tops!
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hayabusa3303 @ 9th Nov 05:25PM:
Yep

Faster to get to your caps. :D

5/384 is getting old.

TW will be 100mbps down and 384k :uhh: up watch it..lol
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RayW @ 9th Nov 05:31PM:
More data please?

How many of the 1.1 million customers are getting or can get this? How many BUILDINGS are getting this? How much is it costing compared to the other speeds? What type of caps are involved? What type of required hardware is on the user side? Is that 100 Mbps available simultaneously in both direction or is it total or is the upstream less than down stream?
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amungus @ 9th Nov 05:35PM:
cool

But how many people here would even get it? Most people are content with their bread crumbs... email works, no dialing, and pages load fast. Them thar yootoobs are pretty durn cool evry so ofen too. ..Whu? I need anuther cable modem?

...Even some folks around here were upset when Cox did upgrades and were told to get a new modem in order for everything to work better... there are still people with ancient cable modems...

Still, that'd be nice if they did start moving towards it a little faster in the U.S.A.
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Karl Bode @ 9th Nov 05:49PM:
Re: More data please?

quote:
How many of the 1.1 million customers are getting or can get this?
It's a trial, so not many. 140Mbps/120Mbps shared.
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viperpa33s @ 9th Nov 05:52PM:
Re: cool

With somethings people are happy with what they got, on other things they are not. They will settle for a 1.5 DSL connection but go out and buy a $45,000 corvette. As long as it's this way, DSL speeds will not increase significantly.
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RayW @ 9th Nov 05:58PM:
Re: More data please?

Not a trial Karl, an apparent done deal. The news release says :

"ARRIS today announced the successful deployment of wideband data service to customers of South Korean MSO Hyundai Communications and Network (HCN), the nation's third- largest cable system operator serving over 1.1 million video customers. The deployment was completed with the aid of ARRIS Korean Value-Added Reseller AJin Techline, and is the second ARRIS FlexPath wideband high-speed data service deployment in Korea."


The speeds you mention are not what the real speeds are, just what the technology has done in the lab, and they do not specify if it was simultaneous up/down or one leg at a time.
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anon @ 9th Nov 06:03PM:
It all comes down to one word:

Deployment.

As Karl points out, there is little incentive for any MSO to deploy this any but the most fiercely competitive market. Hell, why spend the money if the suckers keep paying $50 a month for 8 megs?

We won't be seeing this on any large scale here in the US of A anytime soon. Most cable operators are content with DOCSIS 1.1 as are most of their customers.
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Karl Bode @ 9th Nov 06:06PM:
Re: More data please?

Sorry, was thinking of the NTL implementation of ARRIS technology, which is a trial. The company isn't divulging how many of the 1.1 million customers are getting this implementation....much less the real world speeds. Hopefully a North American MSO deploys some of this pre-DOCSIS 3.0 gear so we can have a look....
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RayW @ 9th Nov 06:11PM:
Re: More data please?

Be nice to know how wide spread it is too, just a couple of buildings in those mega apartment complexes would soak up a large percentage of the 1.1 million.
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Karl Bode @ 9th Nov 06:12PM:
Re: More data please?

We'll keep an eye peeled on the trials and other announcements. Should see some deployment of Motorola and Cisco solutions soon.
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Rick @ 9th Nov 07:05PM:
LOL!

South Korea's got nothing on the U.S.

Soon, we'll all have this available to us!

»www.lightreading.com/document.as···r=&site=

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bbscript @ 9th Nov 07:45PM:
Re: LOL!

itll be like residential dedicated lines go over 1.5TB of data in 30d days and pay so much for bw overages is how itll be done theyll say you have a nice residential 100mbps line but ur limited to 1.5TB to 2TB max of bw usage per month want more than that youll pay extra.
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Rob @ 9th Nov 09:00PM:
Re: cool

said by viperpa33s :

With somethings people are happy with what they got, on other things they are not. They will settle for a 1.5 DSL connection but go out and buy a $45,000 corvette. As long as it's this way, DSL speeds will not increase significantly.
So as long as people keep buying a $45,000 dollar Corvette, DSL speeds will always be slow? Blasphemy!
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dvd536 @ 9th Nov 09:18PM:
Re: Slow Going in America

said by ARGONAUT :

Maybe in twenty years the US will see DOCSIS 3.0
Yeah maybe when 1000000000 / 1000000000 is standard fare everywhere else in the world.
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StealtheR @ 9th Nov 10:26PM:
Re: LOL!

i'm moving to NK tomorrow
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PolarBear @ 9th Nov 11:52PM:
Re: LOL!

If you are moving 1.5 - 2.0TB of data per month, you need to pay for business class service. Period.
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matrix3D @ 10th Nov 12:31AM:
Re: Yep

I highly doubt the cable companies will be that stupid. If you note, it says DOCSIS will be capable of 160 Mbps downstream (shared) and 120 Mbps upstream (shared). That would mean they would theoretically be capable of offering a downstream/upstream ratio of 4/3 where the upstream is 75% of what the downstream is. I think they realize now that upstream is no longer "unimportant" to their subscribers as they've claimed in the past... especially considering where the entire industry is heading with VoIP, video sharing, etc.
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Phattieg @ 10th Nov 07:25AM:
Re: Yep

I have seen it too many times in the past. In the cable realm, end of 2007 means middle of the year to me. I see this standard being released way ahead of schedule, and I doubt it will be anything (spec wise) like what they are predicting/advertising. I do know, however, that it will be a good competition for FIOS for sure. You might not think so, but if there's one thing I've learned from cable, it would be to expect the unexpected. Insert flame here...
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Phattieg @ 10th Nov 07:34AM:
Re: More data please?

said by RayW :

How many of the 1.1 million customers are getting or can get this? How many BUILDINGS are getting this? How much is it costing compared to the other speeds? What type of caps are involved? What type of required hardware is on the user side? Is that 100 Mbps available simultaneously in both direction or is it total or is the upstream less than down stream?
I bet the footprint that would be serviced by this system would be more consistent at attaining it's advertised speed then a DSL system deployed within the same footprint. There is a very limited number of areas with FIOS, and that is because new lines and equipment have to be ran. With this DOCSIS 3.0, no lines are replaced, just a single piece of equipment is added to allow the new capability. This means the deployment of this new technology will be much faster than it would take the telco to deploy fiber.
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RayW @ 10th Nov 09:26AM:
Re: More data please?

Plus the Koreans tend to have a lot more mega high density housing instead of the spread out much lower density like we in the US have. Plus they are building those megaplexes right and left (saw a lot of new 'apartment' construction there), so it is easy to design in the the new technology.
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Karl Bode @ 10th Nov 09:34AM:
Re: More data please?

quote:
There is a very limited number of areas with FIOS, and that is because new lines and equipment have to be ran. With this DOCSIS 3.0, no lines are replaced, just a single piece of equipment is added to allow the new capability.
If I understand the ARRIS solution correctly (which I may not as I'm still digesting), this is actually a software upgrade....
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Ripper @ 10th Nov 12:17PM:
Arris Touchstone Wideband Modem WBM650

Here's a link to the user guide for the modem used with this cable system.There is a number of color photos of the modem in it. »www.arrisi.com/consumer_products···uide.pdf
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robertfl @ 10th Nov 05:59PM:
Re: Arris Touchstone Wideband Modem WBM650

Naa give me 10/10 i'll be happy. Heck I could setup an icecast server here without paying extra for a data centere.

-Rob
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willp1 @ 14th Mar 02:09PM:
Cable or Dsl Companies

:huh: Welcome to the THIRD WORLD COUNTRY OF THE US OF AMERICA.
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