Symmetrical FiOS Will Hit More Markets Monday - Though many states will see symmetrical 15Mbps, not 20Mbps
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Symmetrical FiOS Will Hit More Markets Monday
Though many states will see symmetrical 15Mbps, not 20Mbps
(old news - 01:22PM Friday Nov 16 2007)
tags: Fiber · competition · business · bandwidth · Verizon FIOS · Verizon Online DSL
As if cable providers weren't worried about FiOS already, Verizon last month unveiled symmetrical 20Mbps FiOS service, which takes direct aim at a cable broadband marketing weak spot: upstream bandwidth. Unfortunately, the symmetrical tiers were only available in the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut tri-state area. That's about to change starting on Monday (November 19). According to an anonymous insider posting to our forums, PA, ME, DE, MD, NH, SC, TX, OR, IN, CA, VA and WA users will be able to order symmetrical 15Mbps for for $64.99 monthly with a one year contract. Customers in MA, FL and RI will get symmetrical 20Mbps for $64.99 monthly with a one year contract. These prices are only if you bundle voice -- standalone is $5 more per month. Users in New Jersey received flyers in the mail telling them that existing 10/2 or 20/5 FIOS customers could get $15 off the symmetrical tier for one month (you have to upgrade over the phone, not online). We contacted Verizon to confirm this information, but the company would neither confirm or deny the Monday launch. "When we announced a consumer symmetrical service for New York, New Jersey and Connecticut we said we'd soon roll out something similar to the other 13 FiOS states and that statement still stands," says Verizon spokesperson Bobbi Henson. "I don't have anything additional on it right now," she says. Obviously we'll find out if Monday is the launch date soon enough.
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anon @ 16th Nov 12:55PM:
Yay!
Yay! First post!
Well, enough with that. I live in Lancaster PA, and I do hope we get a shot at FIOS before 10 years goes by. I have seen it and I want it.
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anon @ 16th Nov 12:57PM:
Where's the Love?
Why don't they offer 20Mbps to all FiOS markets?
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neufuse @ 16th Nov 01:00PM:
pizza..
oh my the fios pizza boxes... we have those here and fios is 60 miles away from us!... I dont understand whtere there is so much fios advertising in an area that doesn't even have it... right now we have Thai menus with FiOS ad's on them... pizza boxes... and Verizon Wireless stores with FIOS banners on them... yet its not here
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Nezmo @ 16th Nov 01:02PM:
Would be nice...
just to get the bottom 5/2 tier here in TX upped like the NE has had for ages.
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kilometers @ 16th Nov 01:04PM:
Verizon is awesome
Verizon is such an awesome company. 65 bucks a month for unlimited usage with that much bandwidth is like a dream come true. Surewest out here gives 20/20 but it costs around 80-90 dollars a month and has monthly caps on it.
Meanwhile AT&T FTTH users still enjoy their super fast next generation 6/1 speeds. xD
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BryanOnFiber @ 16th Nov 01:07PM:
ohyeah!
woohoo
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anon @ 16th Nov 01:08PM:
OMG!
Verizon is installing FIOS on my street this month!!!!
»www22.verizon.com/about/communit···ov07.doc
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anon @ 16th Nov 01:09PM:
Re: Verizon is awesome
said by kilometers :
Verizon is such an awesome company. 65 bucks a month for unlimited usage with that much bandwidth is like a dream come true. Surewest out here gives 20/20 but it costs around 80-90 dollars a month and has monthly caps on it.
Meanwhile AT&T FTTH users still enjoy their super fast next generation 6/1 speeds. xD
I currently have 6/1mb with Comcast.
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gatorkram @ 16th Nov 01:19PM:
ME TOO!
I wish every single market in the entire USA had this as an option. I wonder if they do too..
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aaronwt @ 16th Nov 01:22PM:
I'll stick with 30/5
I'll stick with my 30/5 service for $55. Maybe they will raise that to 50/10? that would be sweet.
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ashs2dst @ 16th Nov 01:27PM:
Re: I'll stick with 30/5
It would be nice, if they could figure out why my fios wont do the 20/20 it is supposed too..
Stuck at 20/5 paying for 20/20
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deblin @ 16th Nov 01:27PM:
No luck for business folks
I completely understand WHY they aren't offering this for business lines (don't want to take away from their T1/T3 business?), but it still is disappointing I won't be able to get this on my business line. :)
Hopefully the 15/2 to 20/5 upgrade will happen sometime soon.
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NoOneButMe @ 16th Nov 01:33PM:
IM getting the 15 by 15 ....
im goin to love it :) thay have no idea i called support and thay sead no to the 15mb by 15mb in texas but thay did say this weekend there doin some kinda upgrade so lets see what happens
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JTRockville @ 16th Nov 01:40PM:
Re: Where's the Love?
15/15 is plenty of luv for me (for now)
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Packeteers @ 16th Nov 01:41PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
many small businesses will cheat by getting sym.FIOS anyway.
certainly home Subchapter-S business that do web hosting will.
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JTRockville @ 16th Nov 01:44PM:
Re: OMG!
You're going to love it. Congratulations!!
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UncleDirtNap @ 16th Nov 01:46PM:
Re: Verizon is awesome
Is that the same 6/1 service I used to have that tested at 2.5/500k peak and 128/56k between the hours of 9 and 11pm when I wanted to game? Offered by the same Comcast that made me drive 25 miles six times in less than a year to replace defective modems?
Oh come here Fios and hug daddy, I love you so much! *kiss* *kiss* *kiss*
Die Comcast, die!
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JTRockville @ 16th Nov 01:49PM:
A great big THANKS to fiosguys1 !!
It's nice to have an insider who has such thick skin!
!!! FiOS and fiosguys1 ROCK !!!
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DaveNJ @ 16th Nov 02:01PM:
3 years ago people asked for did cable notice ?
Over and over , article after article. People have asked, and asked cable for symmetric packages. Even businesses served by cable cant get it. Well maybe the cablecos will listen this time.
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Matt @ 16th Nov 02:03PM:
Business Reason?
Verizon isn't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. There has to be a business justification somewhere for this. Does anyone have any ideas?
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JTRockville @ 16th Nov 02:03PM:
Re: Verizon is awesome
* snatches FiOS from UncleDirtNap and dashes off *
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JTRockville @ 16th Nov 02:09PM:
Re: Business Reason?
In the FiOS forum, rebus9 made an observation:
said by rebus9, »Re: NEW ~ FiOS INTERNET PREMIUM SPEED PACKAGES :
...Seriously, I'm betting that VZ will become the neighborhood crack dealer, in a manner of speaking. Get you "hooked bad", then jack up the price.
Who knows? To me, it doesn't much matter. I'll be delighted to have it.
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Matt @ 16th Nov 02:20PM:
Re: Business Reason?
said by JTRockville :In the FiOS forum, rebus9 made an observation:
said by rebus9, »Re: NEW ~ FiOS INTERNET PREMIUM SPEED PACKAGES :
...Seriously, I'm betting that VZ will become the neighborhood crack dealer, in a manner of speaking. Get you "hooked bad", then jack up the price.
Who knows? To me, it doesn't much matter. I'll be delighted to have it.
Which is why I asked the question ... because I am curious for the business knowledgeable folks to chime in.
I'm not knocking it and I hope my provider steps up and offers symmetrical speeds over my connection ... I'm just curious why. There's got to be a business reason for it.
I'm not buying that it'll make a bit of difference to the average user, they don't care or know what upstream is really ... not when you try to explain the difference in 5Mbps and 20Mbps.
I wonder if they are perhaps hoping to exploit the "geek word of mouth effect", whereas the folks who would be knowledgeable about this type of thing will recommend the service, even if it's at a slower speed ... I know I recommend products I use and think work well. My neighbor had an orange fiber cable sticking out of her backyard for 3 months before her and I started talking about it and I got her to switch away from Road Runner.
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kirk1233 @ 16th Nov 02:22PM:
Now they just need to unblock port 80
Now if they would only unblock port 80 like Comcrap does so I can upgrade without having to pay for a business class of service to be able to host my websites...
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Cyberian75 @ 16th Nov 02:25PM:
Upgrade
No free upgrade???
I've 5/2 now for $39.95. It'd be nice if they upgrade this to 15/5 or even 10/5.
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JTRockville @ 16th Nov 02:32PM:
Re: Business Reason?
I had a similar experience with quite a few neighbors, long before this annoucement. But this is so far above what's available elsewhere (around here anyway), there's got to be more to it than just "geek word of mouth".
Maybe they just want to kick the cableco's while they're down.
Would be nice to hear something from the suits though.
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Mitch19 @ 16th Nov 02:48PM:
Blah Blah Blah
Staying one step ahead in actuality puts them 2 steps ahead... Now the Cable company will have to think, rethink and spend to not only get to where Vz is with 15/15 or 20/20 today, but when they roll out their next latest /greatest tier it should be adequately equipped to match whatever VZ will be bumping their speeds up to in response. So, Vz is luring customers away, offering a better product IMO, and when the time comes they have the appearance that they can offer bigger and better without much issue if the need arises.
These are all win/win situations for VZ , now if they could only find someone to fix their billing nightmares.
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ross @ 16th Nov 02:56PM:
&%@#*^ AT&T
I am sooooooo lucky to live in a future AT&T implode-o-verse area (if they ever roll it out, ker-thump, ker-thump). I now get 3Mbps/500Kbps on a 6Mbps/768Kbps Covad/AT&T ADSL line, while two towns over (10 miles away) it's Verizon 20/20/unlimited. Gosh, I love AT&T...
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flyingjoey @ 16th Nov 02:59PM:
Dumped Comcrap Yesterday!
In the past month or so FIOS became available in my area, what's interesting is that I dumped the cable tv service from comcast 3 weeks ago, and then yesterday I had FIOS installed in my house, comcrap wasn't very happy, they were saying well we could give you a discount but you have to be back on the TV service again... I told the rep why would I want to go back to 14 HD Channels, when I now have 72? Does that add up.
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sporkme @ 16th Nov 03:12PM:
Re: 3 years ago people asked for did cable notice ?
said by DaveNJ :
Over and over , article after article. People have asked, and asked cable for symmetric packages. Even businesses served by cable cant get it. Well maybe the cablecos will listen this time.
By "listening" I guess you mean "rip out the HFC network and start over".
Both FiOS and cable are by nature asymmetric (the outside plant has more downstream than upstream available). However FiOS has more overall bandwidth available. Even with a ton of node splitting, cable is at a disadvantage as the system was not designed to offer anywhere near the amount of upstream to support something like 15/15 or 20/20 service.
Not to mention that 90-some percent of interweb users don't give a rat's ass about upstream...
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Cabal @ 16th Nov 03:13PM:
Re: Now they just need to unblock port 80
And 25, and 53, and...
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Tzale @ 16th Nov 03:17PM:
Re: pizza..
said by neufuse :
oh my the fios pizza boxes... we have those here and fios is 60 miles away from us!... I dont understand whtere there is so much fios advertising in an area that doesn't even have it... right now we have Thai menus with FiOS ad's on them... pizza boxes... and Verizon Wireless stores with FIOS banners on them... yet its not here
LOL, BBR posted a picture of my pizza box from 2 or so years ago. :D
-Tzale
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buckingham @ 16th Nov 03:26PM:
Re: Business Reason?
said by Matt :
Verizon isn't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. There has to be a business justification somewhere for this. Does anyone have any ideas?
The only thing that jumps out at me is that it's a definite competitive differentiator...symetrical speeds are darn unusual in the consumer (and even the business) broadband market in most areas. And there actually are many of us would would appreciate and "up" that is more like the "down" for the kind of things we do...like work from home, which is a two-way situation. And given that it's a lot easier to do with the passive fiber network than with other technologies...sounds like a nice play to me.
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tater_gunz @ 16th Nov 04:03PM:
Kudos!
I have to hand it to them, they've really raised the bar with this. I can only hope more ISP's follow suit and the "age of asymmetric speeds" finally dies a long overdue and much deserved death.
FiOS is truly an impressive product... too bad its cousin, Verizon Wireless, is such overpriced crap!
Hahaha... AT&T U-verse... what a joke!
- Tate
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birdfeedr @ 16th Nov 04:17PM:
a marketing slogan is needed here...
20/20, Can You See Us Now? :)
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Ahrenl @ 16th Nov 04:39PM:
Re: 3 years ago people asked for did cable notice ?
Maybe they don't care because nothing has been widely developed to use it because no one has it. It's the same as saying no one will use 100mbps because there's no killer app that would be improved by having that much bandwidth. Of course there's not. Why would you spend you time and effort developing for something that doesn't exist?!
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Ahrenl @ 16th Nov 04:40PM:
Re: Business Reason?
Not to mention more "up" makes your "down" more available.
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DHRacer @ 16th Nov 05:16PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
»smallbiz.verizonmarketing.com/pr···k=topnav
I'm sorry, what?
Clarification: This looks symmetrical to me:
»smallbiz.verizonmarketing.com/pr···/5m.aspx
Even though it's only 5/5...and not 15/15 or 20/20.
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deblin @ 16th Nov 05:20PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
It's over double the price, and that's 5/5 not 15/15. It'd be cheaper to get two business lines for a combined total of 30/4 than to pay that ridiculous price.
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DHRacer @ 16th Nov 05:27PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
So it's the same price as the T1/T3 lines they are trying to protect their resume stream on?
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deblin @ 16th Nov 05:28PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
said by DHRacer :
So it's the same price as the T1/T3 lines they are trying to protect their resume stream on?
Yep, seems that way. Like I said, it makes perfect sense. I'm just damned happy with $100/mo for 15/2. Nothing wrong with wishing I could get 15/15 for $15/mo more (which is the increase for residential hehe).
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gar8182 @ 16th Nov 05:32PM:
When, Dear God, When...
will I see it available in the Ballard area of Seattle???
I'd drop comcrap in a New York minute!!
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DHRacer @ 16th Nov 05:32PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
And yet you can get a 15/2 Static on a 2 year agreement for $100 a month...like you said.
I know the office is paying like $79 a month right now for the 3/768 Static DSL service...Seems like I should bring this up!
It would certainly help the email and webserver we have currently on that DSL link, not to mention the web browsing and Share Point stuff.
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deblin @ 16th Nov 05:34PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
Definitely. You're getting nearly 3x the upstream and 5x the down for like $20/mo more :)
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DHRacer @ 16th Nov 05:37PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
Let's see, $20 more a month x 12 months = $240 more a year than the 3/768 for that "nearly 3x the upstream and 5x the down". Sounds doable to me...
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paulme @ 16th Nov 06:00PM:
Re: Business Reason?
said by JTRockville :
Maybe they just want to kick the cableco's while they're down.
This is what I really think it is. Comcast around here has been putting up billboards saying how they've always had a fiber network (they don't say where, as in the backend severs...). So I'm thinking that Verizon is making a play for the cable customers before cable can offer a competing line of products.
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Synbios @ 16th Nov 06:19PM:
FiOS needs to expand throughout the entire towns/cities...
I live in the City of Boston. 1.5 miles from my house, people have had one of the first batches of FiOS. But yet, Verizon still has not brought fiber to my neighborhood. I've been waiting for a while (at least a year?), and I'd really like to get 20/20Mbps. Now the people down the street from me are going to have 20/20Mbps while I'm stuck with Comcast at 8/768kbps...
Why can't they expand throughout the entire city!?!
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sporkme @ 16th Nov 06:24PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
said by DHRacer :
It would certainly help the email and webserver we have currently on that DSL link, not to mention the web browsing and Share Point stuff.
Add a 20/20 residential line and shove all your traffic that doesn't require a static IP on there. :)
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maartena @ 16th Nov 06:29PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
said by deblin :
It's over double the price, and that's 5/5 not 15/15. It'd be cheaper to get two business lines for a combined total of 30/4 than to pay that ridiculous price.
I just ordered a single T-1 line for a property that we are opening up at $379 a month through Covad. I would GLADLY pay that price for a 5/5 line if it was available.....
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benc @ 16th Nov 06:32PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
15/2 for $100/mo.? I wonder what the cost is for mo-to-mo? I hate signing contracts, especially if there's an ETF fee.
Even so, I wish I had that available. I have 1.5M/256k via the Cable co. (Charter) for $67/mo. It's "Business HSI" with static IP so I'm comparing apples to apples here, as well as it's possible to do so. What else is bad is that I couldn't get mo-to-mo. A one year contract was the shortest contract I could get.
I would use 3.0M/512k DSL w/ Static via AT&T for $70/mo. (mo-to-mo. charge), but they don't offer DSL here.
Does anyone know the cost of 5/5, assuming mo-to-mo? I'd look it up myself but I don't live in a FIOS area so I can't enter in my home phone.
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PGHammer @ 16th Nov 06:54PM:
Re: OMG!
That friggin tears it; somehow I gotta get the chickens off da schneid...15/15 for little more than 15/2?
If you do *any* major uploading at all (or p2p), this is what you've been waiting for.
The question is: can *any* other provider compete with even symmetrical 15/15, DOCSIS 3.0 or not?
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tmc8080 @ 16th Nov 06:58PM:
drop asymmetric
drop asymmetric tiers.
15, 20, 50, 100mbit at the lowest heard of prices.. no pricing premiums for symmetric speeds - 2008 -
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tpower @ 16th Nov 07:34PM:
DSL/Cable Could......
If the cable companies and other Telcos such as AT&T would change their motto, and upgrade the infrastructure they could compete less expensively than running fiber. I agree FTTH is the way to go, but AT&T, Qwest, Comcast and Time Warners current motto seems to be legislate and litigate instead of innovate.
Cable Providers could offer this speed technically.....
Docsis 2.0 is capable of 38Mbit/s down and 28Mbit/s upload.
Docsis 3.0 is capable of 152Mbit/s down and 108Mbit/s upload
So ... technically Cable Companies such as Time Warner and Comca$t could offer with Docsis 2.0 with 28mbit symmetrical and Docsis 3.0 108mbit symmetrical.
The Copper DSL Carriers could compete using copper if they would upgrade the DSLAMS.
VDSL2:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDSL2
ITU-T G.993.2 (VDSL2) is an enhancement to G.993.1 (VDSL) that permits the transmission of asymmetric and symmetric (Full-Duplex) aggregate data rates up to 200 Mbit/s on twisted pairs using a bandwidth up to 30 MHz.
LR-VDSL2 enabled systems are capable of supporting speeds of around 1-4 Mbit/s (downstream) over distances of 4 to 5 km, gradually increasing the bit rate up to symmetric 100 Mbit/s as loop-length shortens.
ADSL2+
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSL2%2B
ADSL2+ extends the capability of basic ADSL by doubling the number of downstream bits. The data rates can be as high as 24 Mbit/s downstream and 1 Mbit/s upstream depending on the distance from the DSLAM to the customer's home.
ADSL2+ is capable of doubling the frequency band of typical ADSL connections from 1.1 MHz to 2.2 MHz. This doubles the downstream data rates of the previous ADSL2 standard of up to 12 Mbit/s, but like the previous standards will degrade from its peak bitrate after a certain distance.
ITU G.992.5 Annex M (ADSL 2 Annex M)
The main difference between this specification and ITU G.992.5 (ADSL2+) is that the upstream/downstream frequency split has been shifted from 138kHz up to 276kHz, allowing upstream bandwidth to be increased from 1 Mbit/s to 3.5 Mbit/s.
ADSL2 Annex L is also known as RE-ADSL2, where 'RE' stands for 'Reach Extended.' With this ADSL standard, the power of the lower frequencies used for transmitting data is boosted up to increase the reach of this signal up to 7 kilometers (23,000 ft). The upper frequency limit for RE-ADSL2 is reduced to 552 kHz to keep the total power roughly the same as annex A. Since RE-ADSL2 is intended for use on long loops there isn't much (any) usable bandwidth above 552 kHz anyway. Although this standard has been ratified by the ITU, not all local loop network maintainers allow this protocol to be used on their network.
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anon @ 16th Nov 07:36PM:
SC?
Really? SC? I'm pretty sure that should be DC. Hell will freeze over if FIOS ever gets down here.
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Ulmo @ 16th Nov 08:09PM:
Re: Business Reason?
said by Matt :
Verizon isn't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. There has to be a business justification somewhere for this. Does anyone have any ideas?
Yeah. Reading DSLR, I saw plenty of people say they were *switching* service providers because of this new offer, and a fair number more upgrading service to this new offer for a slightly to much higher price.
So, my idea is that they are trying to edge up their market share for passed homes, so that their bottom line will improve a bit and their shareholders will see improvement in numbers that portend better returns.
We'll have to see if this translates into better business for them. So far, I don't see why not, but reading a few DSLR posts isn't a statistically accurate sample.
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dvd536 @ 16th Nov 08:35PM:
Re: a marketing slogan is needed here...
said by birdfeedr :
20/20, Can You See Us Now? :)
Nope. can't say i do.
no love for us in qwestland :o
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Cyber2lz @ 16th Nov 09:06PM:
5/2 to 20/5
Upgraded last month and had to buy a new gigabit Router.
I live in the stix of West Central Florida and this sh!t ROX.
Even when my six month promo is up, it's just $50!
Now I can crush my corp VPN with a single file xfer.
Livin' large on the light pipe!
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dodgetech2 @ 16th Nov 10:43PM:
Re: Verizon is awesome
said by UncleDirtNap :
Is that the same 6/1 service I used to have that tested at 2.5/500k peak and 128/56k between the hours of 9 and 11pm when I wanted to game? Offered by the same Comcast that made me drive 25 miles six times in less than a year to replace defective modems?
Oh come here Fios and hug daddy, I love you so much! *kiss* *kiss* *kiss*
Die Comcast, die!
LOL...
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KoolMoe @ 17th Nov 12:22AM:
Re: Business Reason?
They've made the investment, the network can handle it, they gotta try sometime....and once we're hooked on the speed, you know prices aren't going to come down. Maybe good ole competition will help consumer pricing but, really, when will there any truly competitive alternative to Fios in most areas?
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Al3sinth @ 17th Nov 02:43AM:
Woo...oh wait..
- Look where i live :P will never see it fastest here is 6mb/256k from Suddenlink and service is horrible.
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anon @ 17th Nov 07:51AM:
Just got Fios for business in Greenwich CT.
Got the 35 down, 10 up, static setup, comes in at 200 a month, but that's ok, because now we can dump 2 T1's that were something to the tune of 320 a month EACH!
It was only just installed an hour before I left work yesterday, but let me say, from start to finish it is obvious that Verizon has invested a ton of money into Fios and they REALLY want it sold.
I have NEVER ever had such a great experience with people showing up on time (even early!) or receiving phone calls about my install date, etc. We had at least 4 guys out before the appointment just to help us decide how we want it setup.
Our building is about 2000 feet from the road so they even brought in the engineering team. Crazy Sh1t
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kyler13 @ 17th Nov 08:05AM:
Re: Dumped Comcrap Yesterday!
I assume you have satellite with that many HDs? FIOS is currently trailing the pack in HD offerings.
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flyingjoey @ 17th Nov 10:05AM:
Re: Dumped Comcrap Yesterday!
DirecTV
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Rick @ 17th Nov 10:22AM:
Re: Dumped Comcrap Yesterday!
And, I assume that in making the switch..you now have no On Demand type programming at all and no HD associated with that either?
Not to put down the satellite co's..but for everything they might have today..there's also something they don't have that comcast does.
I also doubt that Comcast will be behind the curve on hd programming for long and they're rolling them out all the time now.
In addition, now apparently you get to pay more for your HSI as well.
Honestly, I just don't see the benefits here really to you but..to each their own. And, it's nice that a choice existed for you.
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Rick @ 17th Nov 10:34AM:
Ok..so..
Let's really take a look at this.
SEVENTY dollars per month for 15Mb service..(assuming voice isn't bundled..and he**..why not just add that overpriced service as well).
Almost SIXTY three percent more than Comcasts HSI residential service.
To borrow an old wendys saying here for a minute..
Where's the beef?
You know..we could ALL go out and buy ourselves an expensive direct connection and get virtually anything we want..if we're willing to pay for it.
I just don't get the "gotta have this" mentality on this thread and particularly..the "comcast and the cable co's are worried about this".
If anything..this is a specialty product and I REALLY doubt that a whole lot of consumers are going to be clamoring to raise their bill by 63%.
And, for WHAT?
What is it that's different?
It SURELY isn't the DOWNLOAD speeds because..guess what?
I ALREADY get 5Mb to 15Mb HIGHER than their 70.00 package with MY comcast powerboost connection.
So..lucky you fios folks.
You get to pay 63% more for 50% LESS download speeds than I and others get.
But RICK..you say..it's all about the UPLOAD.
Ahhh! Ok.....oh....umm..yea...WOW!
That's it!
Well..what the he** do I really use THAT for anyway?
To email my Grandma a few photos and maybe send a big email or two occassionally?
I ALREADY get pb speeds of about 2Mb for that and that really seems to serve me well as it is.
And I highly doubt that with Docsis 3.0 coming..that THAT will stay where it is anyway.
But RICK..it's FIBER dummy!
Really? You mean the same FIBER that Comcast has been putting in their network for TEN years now?
Folks. Friends. Fellow BBR members.
Fios..just is Verizon's way of even beginning to try to catch up to what Comcast and the other cable co's already are.
Comcast..tw and others have more fiber in their diet than many know and understand and are ready to compete in every way where they have to.
Can someone point to a single issue and say that this or that company has something that someone else doesn't?
Yes. Absolutely.
But, to take this program from verizon means you LOSE something from Comcast and others many times.
And, you certainly get to pay a lot more for that honor.
I don't know about YOU..but I sure don't want to pay 70 bucks a month for this program. It's expensive..and something that isn't needed.
I'd also be sacrificing up to half my dl speeds..which are MORE important to me.
And, I suspect that with docsis 3.0 coming out soon..the UL side will take care of itself.
At a REASONABLE cost.
Think about it.
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flyingjoey @ 17th Nov 10:46AM:
Re: Dumped Comcrap Yesterday!
with comcast I was paying 119 a month for 14 HD channels and the DVR with the high speed internet.
Now with FIOS 20/5 and directv HD DVR 72 HD Channels Showtime and the Movie Channel I'm paying 95.
More channels, more speed 25 bucks cheaper.
I couldn't care less about ondemmand I was hardly was using it as it was.
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Wraith1283 @ 17th Nov 11:29AM:
Re: Ok..so..
Honestly just because you dont have a need to use it doesn't mean other people do not have a use. I do not have a use for the service so I will not order it. I will stick to my 5 Mb/s up and 20 Mb/s down and pay the $49.99 a month they charge me. I'm just glad Verizon is trying to do something different in the broadband business and not just "traffic shape" like comcrap does.
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Rick @ 17th Nov 11:52AM:
Re: Ok..so..
I didn't say that some might not have a use for it.
For some, it might make perfect sense to go with.
I just don't see it as being right though to present it as being better than what Comcast offers. For some, it might be rather foolish to go with, considering the added cost and fact that they would actually be lowering their dl speeds many times instead.
What it is, is a specialized product and should be both viewed and presented in that manner.
Personally, I'd go with the package you have instead..the 20/5 package. That's really more along the lines of what should be compared to the cable providers instead.
But, it should also be noted that you too pay more for it than we do on Comcast. That too is reflected in the higher ul speeds though...but still..the 49.95 seems like a reasonable price.
As for comcast..I just ran a speedtest and am seeing 29,205/1791 for speeds right now on that.
If that is "traffic shaping"..and "comcrap" in your or others eyes....then all I can say is..give me more of it.
It's a great value..and a great service..
and well worth the 42.95 month price I pay.
And, I fully expect that when docsis 3.0 starts rolling out in 2008..it will only keep on getting better from there.
Bottom line is..it's nice we all have choices. But I'm not really quite sure I get all the fios hoopla going around.
Comcast has been doing fiber for 10 years now..not one.
And their network has plenty of it.
All Verizon is really trying to do is to catch up and compete and it's great that in certain areas..they're now able to do that.
Comcast's CEO has already demo'd 150Mb speeds however on this very network..and I sure wouldn't be counting them out..nor their response to this in the months ahead.
Would I switch If I had great comcast service to an unknown?
Not on your life.
I simply don't see the benefit..nor am I interested in raising my price by 63%.
Some may feel that's worth it to them..and again..to them I say it's nice to have that choice.
But I'm not so sure it's the way to go.
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SGR @ 17th Nov 03:55PM:
Re: Ok..so..
Rick, its a bit misleading to say you have faster speeds than FiOS because of powerboost. Powerboost only works for a few seconds in the beginning of a download and depends strongly on the traffic of the node. You might hit 2MB/s during off peak times but it'll only last seconds. Otherwise you'll be at 8Mbit. (If you're one of the select few markets you might be at 16Mbit) The same is true for your upload and upload powerboost is only available in select areas. Otherwise you're at 768 or 1Mbit. You also have issues with bittorrent and if you download too much in a given period you're threatened with termination yet offered no information on how to stay away from being terminated other than stop downloading what you *think* is a lot. Obviously these leads to people being terminated because they *think* they stopped downloading a lot when in fact Comcast thought otherwise.
Meanwhile with FiOS we're at a constant 15Mbit or 20Mbit which is about 2MB/s. This speed is constant, and will never slow down even if our files are 5GB+. Our uploads are currently 2Mbit which is double your fastest upload speed tier. When Monday rolls around we'll also have 15Mbit or 20Mbit uploads which will pretty much blow away anything away offered by cable for months, if not years, to come. We also have the option of upgrading to even higher tiers like 30, 35, or 50Mbit tiers if needed. As of right now we don't have caps and our downloads aren't being messed with when using bittorent.
Verizon isn't playing catch up, they are leading the pack by a significant amount when it comes to their Internet service. The only way you can claim Verizon is playing catch up is via its TV service, which I would then have to agree with you on. Otherwise FiOS is the best of the best and is rather evident by the amount of people simply wishing they had it and the reviews of it on this site.
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JohnA @ 17th Nov 08:05PM:
Re: No luck for business folks
Residential is $8 more a month. Not sure on business service.
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JohnA @ 17th Nov 08:11PM:
Re: Now they just need to unblock port 80
Only 80 is blocked.
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JohnA @ 17th Nov 08:23PM:
Re: Ok..so..
Speedtest archives show Verizon is testing 100/50 in New York. Comcast up to that?
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JohnA @ 17th Nov 08:25PM:
Re: A great big THANKS to fiosguys1 !!
Send your friends in Rockville an email, to ask if they're getting it, or did that get resolved?
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14071118 @ 18th Nov 03:37AM:
Re: No luck for business folks
removed, if you can hear me plz pm me.
why did you block me?? i am your friend.
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tmc8080 @ 18th Nov 05:35AM:
Re: Ok..so..
said by JohnA :
Speedtest archives show Verizon is testing 100/50 in New York. Comcast up to that?
A better question would be: are Time Warner and Cablevision up to the task? Of course the pricetag would have to be around the $99-$129 price range (with symmetrical 20mbit getting DIRT CHEAP in 2008-- $40 when bundled w/ voice or video, $50 when not).
:-P
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JTRockville @ 18th Nov 10:56AM:
Re: A great big THANKS to fiosguys1 !!
No, it's not been resolved. There was an election this month. Some of the folks who got elected to the city council are eager for competition, but I think the new mayor will see that it doesn't happen (just my opinion).
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DX21881 @ 19th Nov 03:47PM:
Re: OMG!
where did you get that doc?
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anon @ 20th Nov 09:24AM:
Re: Ok..so..
But Rick, were paying 75/mo for 8m/768k from comcast in the south florida area where Verizon is not available...
(yeah yeah their site says its 60, but then they aren't showing taxes and other hidden fees that they throw in)
Id rather have 15mb service for 70/mo, that's cheaper than comcast here...
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john3kbs @ 11th Dec 12:57AM:
Re: Yay!
You will be getting it in about 6 months or so. You can get my business card at the Circuit City there at the Verizon Broadband display.
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john3kbs @ 11th Dec 01:00AM:
Re: Dumped Comcrap Yesterday!
FiOS has over 3000 on demand titles - and can add as many HD channels as they like without having do delete regular channels like cable companies have to due to bandwith limitations. You can only get so much over that copper line.
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Superstorm @ 1st Jan 09:33AM:
Re: Yay!
Is this true? Is Verizon Fios finally coming to Lancaster, PA? If so, I may hold off on DirecTV.
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