Comcast: 50Mbps Now Available In 20% Of Markets - 'Wideband' DOCSIS 3.0 hits Baltimore, Atlanta, Chicago, Fort Wayne
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Comcast: 50Mbps Now Available In 20% Of Markets
'Wideband' DOCSIS 3.0 hits Baltimore, Atlanta, Chicago, Fort Wayne
(old news - 11:42AM Thursday Dec 11 2008)
tags: competition · business · hardware · bandwidth · cable · networking · Comcast
Comcast this morning stated that the nation's soon to be largest broadband operator would be deploying their new "Extreme 50" 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 tier in parts of Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, and Fort Wayne, Indiana. Comcast says that initial deployment will cover only some of these cities this month, with the remainder of those markets getting finished up in early 2009. Comcast spokesman Charlie Douglas tells me that with these launches, they've now completed their goal of upgrading 20% of their markets with DOCSIS 3.0 by the end of 2008.

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50Mbps arrived in the Twin Cities last April, with Metro Boston, Philly Metro, Northern New England and Southern Massachusetts markets arriving in October. November saw launches in Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Eugene.

In upgraded markets, Comcast is not only upgrading existing speed tiers ($42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps and $52.95 "Performance Plus" 8Mbps/2Mbps tiers became 12Mbps/2Mbps and 16Mbps/2Mbps), but is adding two new tiers to the mix ($62.95 "Ultra" 22Mbps/5Mbps and the aforementioned $139.95 "Extreme 50" 50Mbps/10Mbps).

One recurring theme we've seen in our forums is that the new speeds have many users downgrading. In both forum threads and polls, many customers on Comcast's 16Mbps/2Mbps tier say they're downgrading to their 12Mbps/2Mbps tier -- apparently because they don't think an additional 4Mbps downstream is worth $10. Customers used to be willing to pay the additional $10 for double the upstream speed, but there's no longer an upstream difference between the tiers.

Meanwhile, $139.95 for broadband remains a little too rich for most people's blood. The less expensive 22Mbps, $62.95 tier seems more popular among speed freaks. As always, curious users can track deployments and customer experiences in our Comcast forum.

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nasadude @ 11th Dec 11:14AM:
good news, bad news

the good news is we finally get to see speeds they've had in Europe and Asia for a couple of years now.

the bad news is it cost 4x as much

must be our competitive market.
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jammmin @ 11th Dec 11:36AM:
Re: good news, bad news

I would never go back to Comcrap. Six years of spotty internet service that never got fixed.

Constant patch work by repair guys that never totally solved the issue.
Since I switched to Verizon FIOS a few months ago, consistently fast speeds and no downtime. Couldn’t be happier.
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Titus Pullo @ 11th Dec 11:37AM:
Re: good news, bad news

said by nasadude :

the good news is we finally get to see speeds they've had in Europe and Asia for a couple of years now.
the bad news is it cost 4x as much
must be our competitive market.
Nothing to see here; it's only the 'invisible hand' in your pocket.
Wait till its little friend maneuvers for the 'reach-around'.
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Joe12345678 @ 11th Dec 11:41AM:
what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use room for more uncompressed HD not there over compressed hd that they have now.
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burgerwars @ 11th Dec 11:42AM:
50mbps

Until I win the lottery, there's no way I can justify spending $139.95 a month for 50mbps.
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anon @ 11th Dec 11:44AM:
When will Northern Virginia

Does anyone know when the new speed be available in Northern Virginia, ALexandria area?
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JahsDisciple @ 11th Dec 11:45AM:
Re: 50mbps

i concur. lol...
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 11:50AM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

they need a bigger cap
at 50Mbit/sec you could use 250GB in one day
50/8(bit byte conversion)*60sec*60min*24hours/1024=527.34375
then *28(shortest month)/1024=14TB

so ya the cap is to low
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 11:54AM:
Re: 50mbps

Well if not 50/10 why not 22/5+Powerboost
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doughnet @ 11th Dec 11:55AM:
When?

I wonder why they wait so long to get DOCSIS 3.0 setup in the Silicon Valley, California. Huge market area; no reason to neglect it.
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swhitney2003 @ 11th Dec 11:59AM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

How much total you can download is irrelevant to the types of things you do on the internet. Having 50mbps doesn't mean you can now download 14TB, it just means you can get your content faster. .1% of customers are 'affected' by this cap, meaning people with 50mbps probably wont be downloading any more than they would with 6mbps.
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 12:01PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by Joe12345678 :

what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use room for more uncompressed HD not there over compressed hd that they have now.
Most people couldn't play uncompressed video even if it were available.
~247mbps? HDDs can't keep up!

Maybe you meant "Less Compressed" - sure! That would be nice.
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not quite right @ 11th Dec 12:01PM:
Extreme 50

$140 a month riiiiiight! not gonna happen ;)
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 12:05PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

well thats just lame you pay more and get only responsiveness

how about this you can put gas in your car and pay taxes and you may only drive 200miles a month

oh well they'll learn someday how truely lame the CAPs are
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 12:09PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by swhitney2003 :

How much total you can download is irrelevant to the types of things you do on the internet. Having 50mbps doesn't mean you can now download 14TB, it just means you can get your content faster. .1% of customers are 'affected' by this cap, meaning people with 50mbps probably wont be downloading any more than they would with 6mbps.
Some people think they are buying a OC line for $50-$60(or $130) per month.

They forget all too quickly(or don't understand) what residential means. :huh:

I have gone from 1.5mbps to 16mbps and still consume ~30GB per month... my downloads just finish WAY faster.
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swhitney2003 @ 11th Dec 12:10PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

Your analogy makes no sense. Does not relate to this at all. Having a ferrari and an aveo is a better comparison. You can get to work a lot faster (neglecting speed limits) in the ferrari, but you still travel the same distance to and from work every day. Your MILAGE (gigabytes) remains the same, but speed changed.

And I'm sure they are really worried about these truly lame caps. They take off the heavy hitters of the subscriber base, make more money off them, and the overall crowd is actually unaffected. Yea, they are in a horrible position with them. Considering almost every other provider has caps, Comcast has been one of the most generous in terms of available bandwidth.
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 12:11PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by DarkLogix :

well thats just lame you pay more and get only responsiveness

how about this you can put gas in your car and pay taxes and you may only drive 200miles a month

oh well they'll learn someday how truely lame the CAPs are
That would be similar to metered billing.
Use as much as you want and pay accordingly.
Drive til you drop if you will...

I welcome something like this - my bill would probably be less than $10 per month! ;)
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Titus Pullo @ 11th Dec 12:13PM:
Re: Extreme 50

said by not quite right :

$140 a month riiiiiight! not gonna happen ;)
Look at this way: you've got your haves and your have_a_lot_mores :)
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swhitney2003 @ 11th Dec 12:15PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by dadkins :

I welcome something like this - my bill would probably be less than $10 per month! ;)
One can only hope that becomes the case. The majority of households probably use about the same as you (30GB). I would think Comcast would price accordingly so that they made the same or more off of customers if a change happened. Also a flat rate of $10 is probably going to be charged just for a connection, then on top of the the throughput used. We can dream, right? If this model ever came around I would surely cut back drastically on my downloading.
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anon @ 11th Dec 12:16PM:
Does It Matter?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like this won't help anyone but BitTorrent users. If I'm trying to download a movie from iTunes or three 100MB Illustrator files from a designer's server, I'm going to be severely limited by the speed on THEIR end anyway, making my 50Mbps connection 40Mbps of overkill. Right?
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baineschile @ 11th Dec 12:19PM:
Michigan

Come to michigan, please!?!?!?!?!
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SLD @ 11th Dec 12:19PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

Some companies think that internet content is designed for modems. They forget all to quickly (or don't understand) what progress means.
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SLD @ 11th Dec 12:20PM:
Re: When?

Except that there will be more power-users per capita, thus costing them much more.
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Sith HMP @ 11th Dec 12:22PM:
Psst over here...

Is Bloomington considered part of Chicago yet? If not then hurry up with it already!

........please. :)
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swhitney2003 @ 11th Dec 12:22PM:
Re: When?

Then they should install/upgrade hardware as they need to to support the demand.
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AVonGauss @ 11th Dec 12:26PM:
Responses so far...

Let me see if I can summarize most of the responses so far... Comcast doubles the speed of your connection for the same price that you are paying today, and they still suck exactly the same? Really?
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 12:28PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by SLD :

Some companies think that internet content is designed for modems. They forget all to quickly (or don't understand) what progress means.
Explain the point you are trying to make please...
Thanks!
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Pv8man @ 11th Dec 12:31PM:
Caps???

What about people who get ALL of their games, game demos and free mods from places like Steam and Direct2drive.

Game demos can reach as high as 2-3 GB these days.
while full games can be anywhere from 5-8 GB, and only growing larger the more advanced games get.

and there are so many large free mod games on steam to download, I don't think I can download them all.

Next up on Con-cast's list..."These game makers cant ride on our pipes for free, they are making money through our service and bandwidth"
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Pv8man @ 11th Dec 12:34PM:
Re: Caps???

/ Oh no, that's AT&T and google, i'm confused with.
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NOVA_Guy @ 11th Dec 12:35PM:
Re: Responses so far...

said by AVonGauss :

Let me see if I can summarize most of the responses so far... Comcast doubles the speed of your connection for the same price that you are paying today, and they still suck exactly the same? Really?
I guess this can go down as one of those 'let no good deed go unpunished' types of things?

Some people are never satisfied, no matter what happens for them... :uhh:

I'd like to get the 50mb downstream service when it comes to Northern Virginia, but will likely just stay with the 16mb downstream service that I have with them now... Relatively speaking, I'm happy with the speed and the stability hasn't been a major issue as yet.

Hopefully I can get them to do a little better on price, but I guess that was yesterday's Comcast discussion... :D
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 12:37PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

Bring it! LOL!

From what Comcast has reported, 2-3GB per month is the average use.
This is an average of nearly 15million customers.
Some more, but not all that many - apparently!

250GB - I can't even think of anything I would want to download that would get me to *HALF* of that in a month!

Yeah, probably $10 for the connection and then per-GB would be their scheme.
Still... not only would my connection quality piss off people, I would be able to irk 'em with my monthly bill! :D
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 12:37PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

your not getting it

the cap is like the gov or who ever saying you may not drive more than X and if you do than bam

(ya they have a better cap than most but not as good as no cap)
if you follow the sheep and are ok with it then it'll go down hill you just say well thats ok thats fine then one day you open your eyes and say what happened

ya theyre not hurting yet but as D3 getts spread more and more the people that use over 250 will grow and grow

your seeing how it could affect you now not what this means could happen down the road
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 12:40PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

you might not have noticed but I am no longer effected by the cap I'm just thinking about the poor chump that will get smacked by the cap some day and how its restricting internet apps
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TKJunkMail @ 11th Dec 12:44PM:
Re: Responses so far...

said by NOVA_Guy :

I'd like to get the 50mb downstream service when it comes to Northern Virginia, but will likely just stay with the 16mb downstream service that I have with them now...
The higher speeds are great IF you download a lot of videos(especially HD ones) or you download large Linux distros frequently. Or if you upload large files often.

But for most users that browse, email, & occasionally download or upload large files, the lower tiers are plenty.

And since browsing speeds(as opposed to transferring files or streaming HD videos) are already significantly slower than the link speeds most users already have, these new much faster speeds aren't even needed.
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TKJunkMail @ 11th Dec 12:47PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by swhitney2003 :

How much total you can download is irrelevant to the types of things you do on the internet. Having 50mbps doesn't mean you can now download 14TB, it just means you can get your content faster. .1% of customers are 'affected' by this cap, meaning people with 50mbps probably wont be downloading any more than they would with 6mbps.
But it is that .1% that is the most vocal and whining. They want the caps raised so that they can download 1000 hours a month of HD video(that they will never watch) or so that they can act as a P2P server to "show the man" how much they hate businesses.
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TKJunkMail @ 11th Dec 12:50PM:
Re: 50mbps

said by DarkLogix :

Well if not 50/10 why not 22/5+Powerboost
Are they actually using Powerboost on the 22/ tier?
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 12:50PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

it would (based on whats happened) be more like this
Speed tire price + Usage Price + Peak hours usage
so
you have your $50 for 16/2 + your $10 per 10gig + anothe $0 per Peak 10GB + non-3play service $30penalty + 20 for CDV

with peak hours not know to you
so 30GB/month
50+30+30+30+20
$160 just for a little 30GB you say you use
you really want that

the for 50/10
150+30+30+30+20+(extra channels used penalty)50
so 310
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technick @ 11th Dec 12:54PM:
Atlanta is still waiting...

I'm still patiently waiting for this in Atlanta =\
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 12:54PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

And an OC3 (basic OC line) is 155Mbit both ways so I doubt anyone thinks that

Resi should simpily mean
Asymetrical speed, no uptime garuntee, 1 Dynamic IP
(sure I skipped an OC-1 line but who would ever "Want" that)
50Mbit and a T3 is 45Mbit so who is ever going to pay thousands more per month for 5Mbit
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Weatherman @ 11th Dec 12:57PM:
NO reason to upgrade - if anything, good time to downgrade!

Why would anyone want to upgrade to the new higher speed tiers? Unless you just like to waste money. They are all capped the same - there is no point.

I would rather convert over to the business tier at a slower speed and have no caps.

Here we are getting excited about 50 megs when China has had 100 meg to most areas for years - and much cheaper!

It's crapcastic!!
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 12:58PM:
Re: 50mbps

said by TKJunkMail :

said by DarkLogix :

Well if not 50/10 why not 22/5+Powerboost
Are they actually using Powerboost on the 22/ tier?
Thats what I've heard (but not on the 50/10)
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 01:01PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

You forget about the ones that see what this means in the future

and see the anti-competitiveness
(my options are cable 16/2 or dsl 3/768)
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badtrip @ 11th Dec 01:01PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by dadkins :

From what Comcast has reported, 2-3GB per month is the average use.
This is an average of nearly 15million customers.
Some more, but not all that many - apparently!
I think the median will be a bit more telling than the mean for bandwidth usage. A few thousand folks who only check email and do light browsing can really push the mean down. On the flip side a few thousand folks DLing hundreds of gigs/mo can really inflate the mean as well.
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iansltx @ 11th Dec 01:11PM:
Re: good news, bad news

Why switch to ANYTHING from FiOS? Seriously, even with Comcast's new tech, FiOS is comparable or better for the same price, or just a little more. Plus they'll have 100 Mbps service soon. 30/5 for the price of 20/5, and 30/30 as the new symmetric tier? bring it on. Oh, and 15/2 being the new 10/2 :-)
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MSauk @ 11th Dec 01:14PM:
Geez

Some of you will never be happy. If your using 250GB a month your doing something illegal lol Give me a break.

I am on my computer 14 hours a day and I stay under or at 30GB a month.

I would LOVE to see those speeds here in Utah. Any idea when that might happen?
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Joe12345678 @ 11th Dec 01:15PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by dadkins :

said by Joe12345678 :

what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use room for more uncompressed HD not there over compressed hd that they have now.
Most people couldn't play uncompressed video even if it were available.
~247mbps? HDDs can't keep up!

Maybe you meant "Less Compressed" - sure! That would be nice.
I was saying that it is better to use the room to make there cable tv side better.
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Richard B @ 11th Dec 01:16PM:
Whats the Rub

As for higher speed overseas, how much of the growth is due to taxpayer subsidies? I feel the taxpayer are not in the mood to subsidize auto executives and download junkies.

I am on the performance plus, (free upgrade for thee months) I problem downgrade when the new speed kick in on the 22th. (ps I need to cal Comcast for digital voice)
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Homunculus @ 11th Dec 01:18PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by swhitney2003 :

How much total you can download is irrelevant to the types of things you do on the internet. Having 50mbps doesn't mean you can now download 14TB, it just means you can get your content faster. .1% of customers are 'affected' by this cap, meaning people with 50mbps probably wont be downloading any more than they would with 6mbps.
Sorry, but do you work for Comcast? As that's exactly what they say.

This is Comcast's plan to make more $$$ by charging people for going over the cap... offering faster speeds = people will be more likely to "break the rules". Cha-ching.
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iansltx @ 11th Dec 01:18PM:
Re: Extreme 50

Yeah, seriously. I would get 20/20 symmetric FiOS if it was available in my area, or 22/5 Comcast cable. If Qwest has 12/896 DSL in my area, I'd get that. Charging more than $80/month for a residential internet connection is just insane.
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jmn1207 @ 11th Dec 01:19PM:
Good Upload Speeds

It's nice to finally see an option for faster uploads. With a couple of Slingbox Pro-HD's you really need more than 2Mbps. 5Mbps should suffice, but only if the speeds are very stable, and then there is the issue with the caps if you try and stream too often.

My $95 FiOS service is very nice for uploading high quality video. I assume that Comcast will have to lower prices for the 50/10 service where FiOS is available if they want to compete. So, I would not expect the Comcast "Extreme 50" tier to cost $140 in all regions.


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CUBS_FAN @ 11th Dec 01:26PM:
Chicagoland

Let's hope everything goes to plan so we can get ours in March :D
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AMDUSER @ 11th Dec 01:29PM:
Re: good news, bad news

This could get intresting in Fort Wayne, Indiana... one of the only cities in the Midwest to get FiOS service.

I'm sure there the pricing will be rather competitive.
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gateguy @ 11th Dec 01:36PM:
Re: Does It Matter?

Downloading my weekly TV shows from iTunes takes about 3 minutes on my 20/20 FIOS connections. I do not think that iTunes has a bandwidth problem during the times I download
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 01:39PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

just give up on cable TV its no good and never will be give more space to internet service
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 01:44PM:
Re: Geez

I'm not doing anything illigal I just see the caps as the start of something very bad for everyone

you know the saying
you give em an inch they take a mile
you stop complaining about caps and then they add more and more crap

next why not block vonage or limit data on ports used by vonage after all we don't need all those people not paying more

CAPs are just a gateway limit on service (you start with CAPs then go to the hard stuff)
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joeMI @ 11th Dec 01:48PM:
the caps

i think ISP's are bracing for the day that *most* americans get their HD TV and movies through an internet connection.

and to have several HD feeds running simultaneously (without loss of quality), will take a lot of bandwidth that has to be delivered NOW! as different household members are watching different prime time shows, movies, etc.

that's why we will need 20, 30 and 50 Mbps connections. not for continuous downloading but for prime time when everyone wants to watch something NOW!

imo, they want us trained on paying to exceed caps and/or metered billing. that is the future, the way i see it.
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tmc8080 @ 11th Dec 01:54PM:
one leap for docsis...

One huge leap for docsis 3.0 {vendors, cmts resellers}
Two giant steps backwards:

Low data caps and high price for subscriber kind!

What this means is consumers will choose the competitor in the area.. which will invariably be Verizon & AT&T. Comcast's huge investment in docsis 3 will be for nothing if they can't get consumers to subscribe. $140 is quite alot of money for service that seems crippled, not symmetric, & according to some reports still applies to the 250gb data cap / month (someone please correct if that's not the case). The whole point of having docsis 3 was to bond upstream as well as downstream channels.. while that's probably being done on the downstream to get the extra 8mbits needed... the upstream is well within specifications of docsis 1.1 let alone 3.0 (10mbit).

*** Comcast will eventually have to do away with the data cap, it's just a matter of time & mounting subscriber lo$$
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 02:08PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by DarkLogix :

it would (based on whats happened) be more like this
Speed tire price + Usage Price + Peak hours usage
so
you have your $50 for 16/2 + your $10 per 10gig + anothe $0 per Peak 10GB + non-3play service $30penalty + 20 for CDV

with peak hours not know to you
so 30GB/month
50+30+30+30+20
$160 just for a little 30GB you say you use
you really want that

the for 50/10
150+30+30+30+20+(extra channels used penalty)50
so 310
WTF?
Dude, that makes absolutely no sense. :uhh:

Apply that same math/logic to someone like yourself who says 250GB isn't enough...
Several thou per month?
Either way friend, my bill will be considerably lower than... yours! :p
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 02:16PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by DarkLogix :

you might not have noticed but I am no longer effected by the cap I'm just thinking about the poor chump that will get smacked by the cap some day and how its restricting internet apps
WTF business does anyone have consuming 250GB per month?
If you want a connection without limits, get one! Duh!
Some "chump" abusing the network gets smacked - I don't see the problem here...
A bandwidth hog gets booted? Good! :)

I am *STILL* not affected by the cap, neither are over 14 million other Comcast subs. :p
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rseiler @ 11th Dec 02:44PM:
Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Eugene -- not so fast

November didn't see "launches in Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Eugene," it saw the announcement of December launches (which have yet to happen) in at least the first two cities.
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Chaldo @ 11th Dec 02:44PM:
Speed does NOT AFFECT CAPS!!!

Who ever keeps saying the new tires will take up bandwidth a lot, NO. It just makes internet faster for you, I can now maybe Get a better ping on my game server, download music faster, streaming videos are faster, Everything is faster. You can now do more things without lag spikes, your internet cutting off. You will still spend the same amount of bandwidth if you do the same things on the 6/2 or the 50/10 only difference is the 50/10 guy got his things faster.

So let me ask you a question, if you say the higher speeds don't matter because of the bandwidth.. then I hope Comcast only moves up to 12 mb and caps you at 70 gigs a month and then I still wont be affected and you are going to be crying. I mean slower speed less bandwidth right? Seams right thats what people keep on saying I like this idea....

^ IDIOTS

edit: also bring dis crap to Detroit already!!!!! :(
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K3 @ 11th Dec 02:45PM:
There is no Docsis 3.0 in Illinois

so why is there a link in the forum for Docsis 3.0 availability in Illinois if its not available in illinois yet?
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 02:52PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by DarkLogix :

And an OC3 (basic OC line) is 155Mbit both ways so I doubt anyone thinks that

Resi should simpily mean
Asymetrical speed, no uptime garuntee, 1 Dynamic IP
(sure I skipped an OC-1 line but who would ever "Want" that)
50Mbit and a T3 is 45Mbit so who is ever going to pay thousands more per month for 5Mbit
Ya get what ya pay for - ever hear that expression?
For $50, one should not expect a $1500 connection. Right?

With an OC(or T3), one can light it up 24/7/365 and no one will complain.
With a $50 cable connection, someone is going to notice, ya know?
They will not be pleased about it.
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Corydon @ 11th Dec 02:54PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

It's my understanding that Comcast doesn't charge you extra if you go over the cap. Rather, they warn you about your usage (and give you a bright line to get under...250 GB) and if you keep on going over the limit, they cut you off.

It really does seem to be a network management thing for them, not a money-making thing.
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 02:58PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by DarkLogix :

You forget about the ones that see what this means in the future

and see the anti-competitiveness
(my options are cable 16/2 or dsl 3/768)
Future, as later on in life.
Not here yet.
Wait for it.
We'll see what happens when that time comes.

BTW, my options(best case) is AT&T DSL @ 6/768 but I'm a wee bit farther away than ideal - or, Comcast at 16/2.

Hmmm... guess which one I have.
I want speed. Period.
Not limitless volume, I want my files here as fast as possible.

YMMV
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dadkins @ 11th Dec 03:01PM:
Re: Responses so far...

said by AVonGauss :

Let me see if I can summarize most of the responses so far... Comcast doubles the speed of your connection for the same price that you are paying today, and they still suck exactly the same? Really?
Yeah!
99.9% uptime, speeds in excess of the rated service, all for the same price!
How dare they! :mad:

Wait...
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Kfedka @ 11th Dec 03:09PM:
Spokane, WA

As of today no speed upgrade avaliable in Spokane, WA above 8mb. There is 8/2, 6/1, and 4/384kb($27.50). The last one is news to me.
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anon @ 11th Dec 03:17PM:
Re: good news, bad news

said by iansltx :

30/5 for the price of 20/5, and 30/30 as the new symmetric tier? bring it on. Oh, and 15/2 being the new 10/2 :-)
Reference of this please?? :)
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k1ll3rdr4g0n @ 11th Dec 03:49PM:
Re: 50mbps

said by burgerwars :

Until I win the lottery, there's no way I can justify spending $139.95 a month for 50mbps.
What's the point anyways? So you can reach your monthly cap faster?
Wait, so can someone explain why I would want to pay MORE to get to my cap faster? Seems pretty counter intuitive to me.
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Aozora @ 11th Dec 03:51PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by badtrip :

said by dadkins :

From what Comcast has reported, 2-3GB per month is the average use.
This is an average of nearly 15million customers.
Some more, but not all that many - apparently!
I think the median will be a bit more telling than the mean for bandwidth usage. A few thousand folks who only check email and do light browsing can really push the mean down. On the flip side a few thousand folks DLing hundreds of gigs/mo can really inflate the mean as well.
I don't get why anyone would get HSI or any real fast speed for just browsing and e-mail checking. DSL is by far a better deal for these people because you can get a decent 1.5Mbps/384Kbps for light browsing for $15 a month and it would be perfect. Makes no sense to even pay Comcast $43+ for the same purpose

I am a heavy user. I do streaming videos, HD, online gaming, and etc. I really do have a need for Comcasts 6/1Mbps plan or higher unlike others.

Broadband is superior to dial up for browsing and e-mail but you do not need anything more than DSL for that. CHEAP DSL at that.
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Aozora @ 11th Dec 03:57PM:
Re: Psst over here...

said by Sith HMP :

Is Bloomington considered part of Chicago yet? If not then hurry up with it already!

........please. :)
Chicago for Comcast is literally CHICAGO, IL.

If your address does not say Chicago, IL 60xxx then you are not getting it right away with Chicago, although you will get it shortly after the Chicago market. Just have to do a little more waiting like you have been doing.
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ctceo @ 11th Dec 04:03PM:
Re: 50mbps

While your at it, you could buy 2 accounts and have 100/20. All for only $260 a month, with twin 250GB caps, so you can reach them even quicker.
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AVonGauss @ 11th Dec 04:12PM:
Re: NO reason to upgrade - if anything, good time to downgrade!

said by Weatherman :

Here we are getting excited about 50 megs when China has had 100 meg to most areas for years - and much cheaper!
I don't suppose you have a link or reference for that claim?
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AVonGauss @ 11th Dec 04:13PM:
Re: one leap for docsis...

said by tmc8080 :

What this means is consumers will choose the competitor in the area.. which will invariably be Verizon & AT&T. Comcast's huge investment in docsis 3 will be for nothing if they can't get consumers to subscribe.
Have you read about AT&T's new caps that they are now testing in two markets and plan to roll out nationally?
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jmn1207 @ 11th Dec 04:14PM:
Re: Speed does NOT AFFECT CAPS!!!

said by Chaldo :

Who ever keeps saying the new tires will take up bandwidth a lot, NO. It just makes internet faster for you, I can now maybe Get a better ping on my game server, download music faster, streaming videos are faster, Everything is faster. You can now do more things without lag spikes, your internet cutting off. You will still spend the same amount of bandwidth if you do the same things on the 6/2 or the 50/10 only difference is the 50/10 guy got his things faster.

So let me ask you a question, if you say the higher speeds don't matter because of the bandwidth.. then I hope Comcast only moves up to 12 mb and caps you at 70 gigs a month and then I still wont be affected and you are going to be crying. I mean slower speed less bandwidth right? Seams right thats what people keep on saying I like this idea....

^ IDIOTS

edit: also bring dis crap to Detroit already!!!!! :(
You are correct for the most part, however, I find myself doing more with the increased speeds that I now have. I watch more videos, transfer more files, send more photographs at higher resolutions, and generally use way more bandwidth than I ever did with my Comcast 16/2 connection. A significant upgrade in your speed could change your internet habits, too. It did for me.
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hottboiinnc @ 11th Dec 04:16PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

what about those people that live to far for DSL? and what happens to those customers after the price goes up after their first 6 months to a year? or they move and no longer can get DSL. BOOM their back to Comcast or another cable provider most likely.

But after you factor in the price of a landline phone or even the price of dryline DSL you are about the same price with Comcast especially after fees and taxes.
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cracker 52 @ 11th Dec 04:21PM:
Re: Atlanta is still waiting...

Same for me here in Atlanta too. I don't even know if anyone in Atlanta metro area has the upgraded Powerboost upload speeds (5 megs or up) seen in other markets. I know I don't.
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swhitney2003 @ 11th Dec 04:46PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

No I don't work for them, I just know their POV on the situation. Of course they will take advantage of those who are willing to just go on a frenzy with their connection.
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alfnoid @ 11th Dec 04:51PM:
Re: Atlanta is still waiting...

Not me either...I still don't top the 1700's in any speedtest.

I'll be watching the modem status page here for a while and when that TDMA goes to ATDMA I'll start checking speeds again.
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guhuna @ 11th Dec 05:08PM:
No thks

No thanks, Even if it was offered here I wouldn't get it.

IMO the comcast network seems fake to me. I dont even consider it broadband. Seems like it goes through way to many hops/routers until it gets to you. Even then they mess with pipe so its truly IMO not broadband.

I'll stick to my 6/768 through a company that doesn't block ports or have bandwidth restrictions.
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iansltx @ 11th Dec 05:28PM:
Re: good news, bad news

Pure speculation. no basis in fact.
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NOVA_Guy @ 11th Dec 05:29PM:
Re: Geez

I can see some legitimate ways of potentially using more than 250GB. Now, I haven't done the math on the following, but I'd suspect that consumption habits like the following could create a problem:

(Maybe someone else can plug in some typical usage numbers and do the math, I'd love to see the results!)

- I have a Netflix account. I stream movies and old TV episodes from DVD to myself most weekday nights for entertainment. I also stream stuff like this throughout the weekend.

- I have done away with my Verizon POTS line and have VoIP service now (thanks to recommendations and feedback from the forms here). Typical phone usage is probably 30 minutes - 60 minutes per day, and more on the weekends.

- I have an MSDN account and use it regularly to download ISOs of OSes, servers, apps, etc.

- I stream music from online stations into the house when I'm away from home on the weekdays. It at least gives my pet something to listen to while I'm out.

- Downloading patches/updates from Microsoft for several OSes on several boxes at my home.

- Your typical casual web surfing, forum visiting, email downloading, television guide info downloading, etc., etc.

I'm sure I could think of more stuff too, given additional time. I wonder how close to 250GB this all could potentially be?
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jgraessley @ 11th Dec 05:29PM:
250 gig limit still apply?

At 50 megabit, I think it takes just under 12 hours to reach that 250 gig limit. It sounds like that's going to be a problem.

This whole obsession with speeds providing different pricing tears seems pretty obnoxious. When I get power from PG&E, I don't pay different amounts depending on whether I want to be able to draw enough juice to run the over and the A/C at the same time. PG&E will provide quite a lot of power, so much that I don't really think about it until I pop a circuit breaker, but that's usually a limitation of my wiring, not theirs.

PG&E charges me based on how much I use. But they don't charge me through the nose like the evil cell phone companies charging an obscene $0.20/sms. PG&E charges enough that I don't leave the lights on constantly, but I don't think twice about how much it's going to cost me in my power bill to watch a movie. A few of the ISPs that have proposed usage based billing have the numbers all wrong. It shouldn't cost $2 to stream the bits of a movie I'm renting from netflix. That's obscene.

It's time for Internet connectivity to be treated and regulated as a utility.
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jslik @ 11th Dec 05:29PM:
Re: Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Eugene -- not so fast

I second that...I was told on or about December 18th for the Seattle area...
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anon @ 11th Dec 06:12PM:
FYI

The 16/2 tier provides higher powerboost limits on both the dl and ul speeds than the 12/2 tier does. So, the difference isn't just in the 4Mb dl.
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DarkLogix @ 11th Dec 06:19PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

the issue isn't that yours would be lower but that you are one more just going with it and will end up helping them hit you with an insane bill one day

maybe not this year but someday

its like cows to the slaughter
one cow sees another killed (booted/high monthly cost) and thinks oh that won't happen to me then the next and next untill that cow is the one getting it

you see others getting booted and think oh you don't use enough for that to happen to me

but one day it or something worse does

oh its just the top 1%
but the people that were the top 1% last year were already booted and now the ones that would have been only the top 10% are now the top 1%

and I pay $120 a month so I don't have a cap even though I know I won't hit it

as my Up+down is only 20GB a month (well I'll need to check to be sure (thats just my computer) so when they release a bandwidth meter for my service I'll see)
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tjp375 @ 11th Dec 06:31PM:
Re: good news, bad news

Seriously, I'm curious to why Fort Wayne gets all these services? What is there I'm not aware of? Anyways it sucks being in Ohio when Fios is available in Indiana and Pennsylvania, it would be nice if they connected the dots.
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Scree @ 11th Dec 06:43PM:
woah

"($42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps and $52.95 "Performance Plus" 8Mbps/2Mbps tiers became 12Mbps/2Mbps and 16Mbps/2Mbps)"

Is that right both have the same upload speed now?! Damn, I think I'll save $10!!

[Scratch that idea, discovered their trick on their website, 42.95 is "up to 12 with powerboost" which I assume means it's really 8 then and goes up to 12, whereas the 52.95 is "up to 16 ... and even faster with powerboost" meaning really 16 and goes up to 32 (as I have).]
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funchords @ 11th Dec 06:48PM:
Re: Responses so far...

said by AVonGauss :

Let me see if I can summarize most of the responses so far... Comcast doubles the speed of your connection for the same price that you are paying today, and they still suck exactly the same? Really?
Almost.

I have 3 Mbps service. Web pages come through just as fast as 6 Mbps did. I've also had 8 and it's basically still true. With the cap or throttling ensuring that any choice here is essentially 750 Kbps or less, then what's the point?

3 years ago, I'd be drooling over 50 Mbps. Now I don't give a rip.
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funchords @ 11th Dec 06:56PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by dadkins :

From what Comcast has reported, 2-3GB per month is the average use.
They also said stuff like

"...only during periods of congestion..."
and "...we don't throttle any applications..."
and "...nobody has demonstrated otherwise..."


said by dadkins :

250GB - I can't even think of anything I would want to download that would get me to *HALF* of that in a month!
Me neither, that's the fun of it.... or it would have been.

If they were really as good as FIOS, they wouldn't need the caps or the 15-minute penalty boxes.
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Chaldo @ 11th Dec 06:57PM:
Re: Speed does NOT AFFECT CAPS!!!

use 250 gigs then come back to me and then ill say your one crazy internet user, get a t3 line.
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jmn1207 @ 11th Dec 07:08PM:
Re: Speed does NOT AFFECT CAPS!!!

said by Chaldo :

use 250 gigs then come back to me and then ill say your one crazy internet user, get a t3 line.
Doesn't take long with a 50/20 connection. T3's hinder my downloads.
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Quento21 @ 11th Dec 07:18PM:
Montana?

I wish Bresnan would upgrade to a DOCSIS 3.0....The only other option here is Qwest, Fixed-Wireless from some local provider, or there is i think one FTTP isp which is Lightnex and they offer 15mbps but then again they only serve Bozeman/Belgrade area.
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technick @ 11th Dec 07:23PM:
Re: Atlanta is still waiting...

I think I have a faster upload, according to the atlanta comcast speedtest I have 7.043/4.373 Mbps
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ViRGEdx @ 11th Dec 07:40PM:
Re: Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Eugene -- not so fast

said by jslik :

I second that...I was told on or about December 18th for the Seattle area...
Comcast has been rolling an advertising campaign in the Portland area offering special deals until the 19th; my assumption is that it's closely related to when the switch gets flipped.

At least where I am around Portland, we had a 6 hour outage early Monday morning that was followed by my modem being allocated to a new frequency and IP address. Clearly they just replaced some head-end gear (at the local node or what, I'm not sure) so it doesn't seem that they're quite done.
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badtrip @ 11th Dec 07:52PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

I don't get why ppl would get fast internet to check email and light browsing, but they do, and that's exactly why I think a median usage data point is called for.
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anon @ 11th Dec 09:16PM:
250 GB Cap makes faster speed less relevant

Faster speeds are less about benefiting the subscriber and more about marketing. What is the point of having ungodly downstream speeds when you reach your limit within a couple days. Most servers dont allow you download that fast anyway. 250GB may be a lot of data by today's standards but looking forward it could be considered minuscule. Up until the late 90's 1.4MB floppies were dominant. Now usb flash drives up to 64GB are available. I do not believe comcast has intentions of keeping caps up to pace with the rapid improvement in technology and digital distribution trends.
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alfnoid @ 11th Dec 09:17PM:
Re: Atlanta is still waiting...

What is the URL for that test??
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anon @ 11th Dec 09:33PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

What business is it of yours to ask what somebody else does with their service they pay for? Do you ask a car owner what business it is of theirs to be driving over 100K miles a year? As long as they pay taxes to upkeep the roads and they drive the speed limit its none of your business. Your attitude, "I dont do this so nobody else should either" is insulting. The bandwidth hog today could be the average user in a few years.
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kataan @ 11th Dec 10:10PM:
Re: Seattle, Portland, Spokane, and Eugene -- not so fast

You can add Spokane to the list. They have not done anything here yet, nor have I heard anything.
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AVonGauss @ 11th Dec 10:28PM:
Re: Responses so far...

3 Mbps service? That sounds suspiciously like a DSL tier level... ;) Are you still using Comcast for Internet?
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dvd536 @ 11th Dec 10:39PM:
Only 10mb up for the best tier

STILL not beating fios' 20/20 tier.
C'mon comcast, break out some true upload!
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dvd536 @ 11th Dec 10:44PM:
Re: Extreme 50

said by Titus Pullo :

said by not quite right :

$140 a month riiiiiight! not gonna happen ;)
Look at this way: you've got your haves and your have_a_lot_mores :)
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centc408 @ 11th Dec 11:25PM:
Well

I would have to give this a big fat NO!

Why?

CHSI always went out on me at least twice a week.

Verizon has never went out on me.

Oh yea I'm in Fort Wayne IN.

Edit: Prices are pathetic.
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centc408 @ 11th Dec 11:28PM:
Re: good news, bad news

Fort Wayne, IN got FiOS for 1 reason. Our former mayor spent quite a while lobbying Verizon for it.
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funchords @ 11th Dec 11:55PM:
Re: Responses so far...

said by AVonGauss :

3 Mbps service? That sounds suspiciously like a DSL tier level... ;) Are you still using Comcast for Internet?
Not for my personal business -- I haven't used it for that since July or August when it was pretty clear that Comcast's legal department had lost its marbles and decided to drag me through the mud (even though the EFF and AP and Max Planck Institute long ago confirmed everything I had been claiming).

I guess that makes me too smart to qualify for Illinois Governor, huh!
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RL1138 @ 12th Dec 12:17AM:
Too pricey for me but...

I suppose there will come a time sooner than later where the 50MPS will be standard and much more affordable.

Funny about the speed rating on the performance package which I have. I have reached download speeds 18-22MPS on a consistent basis and uploads of around 2-2.5MPS. The lowest I have ever seen is 13MPS but I'm usually well above that. I have never clocked a reading of only 6MPS. I realize that power boost plays some role in all of this. Overall I feel that I get a nice value at $42 a month. The extra 10 bucks is not worth it to me.
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eco @ 12th Dec 02:57AM:
Re: good news, bad news

don't forget no caps...
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tmc8080 @ 12th Dec 07:45AM:
Re: one leap for docsis...

said by AVonGauss :

said by tmc8080 :

What this means is consumers will choose the competitor in the area.. which will invariably be Verizon & AT&T. Comcast's huge investment in docsis 3 will be for nothing if they can't get consumers to subscribe.
Have you read about AT&T's new caps that they are now testing in two markets and plan to roll out nationally?
You can't look at the Texas, Ohio and California markets as test cases for what may or may not be tolerated in a market such as Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, etc. Comcast is largely in captive markets. If AT&T follows in Comcasts' shoes by putting total bandwidth data caps (in the same markets), there will be consequences in the form of anti-trust and subscriber class action lawsuits. Over the past copule of years, there were regulatory squabbles between the fcc/congress and both Comcast & AT&T over these policies.

If their overlapping footprint becomes less competitive with service that has ONLY data capped internet, there will be negative consequences for both companies. Over the long term, it's not in their best interest. This is one of the few industries in which consumers will draw a line in the sand when they are not treated fairly.
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cork1958 @ 12th Dec 07:49AM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by DarkLogix :

well thats just lame you pay more and get only responsiveness
You hit the nail right on the head!!

Exactly why I'm still on Charters "slow" 5/512 plan. I get stuff fast enough, as my Charter connection is excellent. Can't see paying much over $40 a month for simply surfing the web. My life IS NOT in that much of a rush.
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Dogfather @ 12th Dec 09:37AM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

While the cap may only affect .1% of "normal" customers, the normal customers aren't going to be the ones ponying up $140/mo for 50Mb service.
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nanoflower @ 12th Dec 11:02AM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

But for what most of the people using the Internet do (web browsing/email/occasional picture/video watching) they won't see much difference between even 6Mbit and 50Mbit, especially with Powerboost. The higher bitrates are really only useful for people that need to transfer lots of data (even if for only short periods of time) like watching a movie, or downloading some big files. That's not your typical user if you believe what Comcast and the other ISPs say.
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nanoflower @ 12th Dec 11:24AM:
Re: Responses so far...

Yes, but not for the reason you think. I rarely need a faster speed since anything I want to download comes down fast enough (even if might take a few minutes.) The things I don't like about Comcast (reliability/bandwidth limits) still exist under the new speed plans. While I don't cross the 250GB monthly barrier I can see it being an issue if I were to get into watching HD movies/TV shows in addition to my normal activities.
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JamesDax @ 12th Dec 11:25AM:
Comcast home town screwed again...

No love for Philadelphia again.
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CopperMux @ 12th Dec 11:28AM:
Re: Geez

said by MSauk :

Some of you will never be happy. If your using 250GB a month your doing something illegal lol Give me a break.

I am on my computer 14 hours a day and I stay under or at 30GB a month.

I would LOVE to see those speeds here in Utah. Any idea when that might happen?
I wish you actually had a clue before you posted.

I have Comcast as well as DSL.

I upload/ download the following, all legal:

Video projects. Usually 2 or 3 times a week or 20 - 30 gigs each time. Average 300 GIG a month. And BEFORE you spew "get a business account", this is a hobby, not my job.

Video of the kids for the grandparents, various sizes a few times a month: 50 gig or so.

Plus additional misc: 100 gig

So, there goes your 250 out the window.
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funchords @ 12th Dec 12:18PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by badtrip :

I don't get why ppl would get fast internet to check email and light browsing, but they do,
These are the same people who buy dual-core 3 GHz systems and a top-of-the-line graphics card to play Windows Solitaire.
and that's exactly why I think a median usage data point is called for.
And then those numbers will be funny.

I'm all for capitalism, which we don't have here because every address is only served by 1 or 2 providers. To bring back capitalism, we ought to treat these "last-mile" delivery systems as streets. Own and maintain them publicly and let all the Comcasts, Time Warners, Coxs, Verizons hook up and offer competing connectivity, television, phone, or whatever subscription service over them.

If Target owned the city streets, none of the roads would go to Walmart. But since the public owns the streets, we have Target, Walmart, K-mart, shopping malls, centers, and etc..
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MSauk @ 12th Dec 04:01PM:
Re: Geez

well get a business line than. 250GB is plenty enough for us individuals who don't run our business from home.

Obviously your hobby has turned into a business if your using that much bandwidth.
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aaronwt @ 12th Dec 09:51PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by dadkins :

said by Joe12345678 :

what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use room for more uncompressed HD not there over compressed hd that they have now.
Most people couldn't play uncompressed video even if it were available.
~247mbps? HDDs can't keep up!

Maybe you meant "Less Compressed" - sure! That would be nice.
What kind of hard drives are you using? I can transfer data over my gigabit network at two to three times that speed going to a hard drive. 247mbs is no problem for a hard drive.
Even the hard drives I had in the early 2000's could easily handle that when I would transfer my HD shows to my storage PC back between 2001 to 2004 over my gigabit network.
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aaronwt @ 12th Dec 09:56PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

said by nanoflower :

But for what most of the people using the Internet do (web browsing/email/occasional picture/video watching) they won't see much difference between even 6Mbit and 50Mbit, especially with Powerboost. The higher bitrates are really only useful for people that need to transfer lots of data (even if for only short periods of time) like watching a movie, or downloading some big files. That's not your typical user if you believe what Comcast and the other ISPs say.
It's also beneficial to a family that has several users online concurrently or a person who has dozens of devices connected at the same time.
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anon @ 13th Dec 05:10AM:
Awesome!

Now I can hit the cap in 11 hours!
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CatchingSpy @ 13th Dec 12:42PM:
Re: Awesome!

Has anyone upgraded to a Docsis 3 modem only?

If you have what is your opinion of the new modem?

Thank you
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anon @ 16th Dec 05:09PM:
Re: what is the point of 50Mbps with a 250gb cap they should use

This analogy is ridiculous as well.

If I have 1 hour to use the internet a day, of course the speed dictates how much content I can pull. In that 1 hour, with more bandwidth, I'm pulling more content.

Over the course of the month, I will have far more bandwidth used in the same amount of computer usage. Pretty simple. I can download multiple movies in the time I download 1 currently.

Assuming that people will use the same amount of bandwidth regardless of their throughput is quite a stretch... I by no means teeter on the brink of the cap, but you have to be kidding that you don't think someone would not just queue up more downloads at once or get more in the time they use their computer.

Who cares about their lame caps? There will be a market for power users that will be tapped into regardless of it being comcast or not. Their futile attempts to limit how much I use netflix over their own on-demand streaming doesn't matter much if/when I switch to some other service. Of course this assumes that I can find something as fast for as cheap and as much.
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