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Comcast, Like AT&T, Takes Heat For Neighborhood Cabinets
After mocking AT&T for their own aesthetic shortcomings...
12:36PM Sunday Aug 17 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: competition · business · hardware · cable · networking · Comcast
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Since their VDSL network upgrade project began, AT&T has been taking a lot of heat for their placement of U-Verse VRAD cabinets in many neighborhoods, with locals saying the cabinets (usually placed on right of way easements) are eyesores that decrease property values. Comcast has even used the complaints in advertisements criticizing AT&T. But Comcast has been taking heat in the Philadelphia suburbs for their own network equipment boxes, even though they're substantially smaller. Locals there are questioning why the cable company can't bury their equipment in underground vaults like Verizon does with FiOS. “Our networks are virtually the same,” responded Comcast spokesman Jeff Alexander. “Our fiberoptic network runs directly into neighborhoods. Underground vaults that freeze solid pose a real challenge when it comes to maintenance, fiber or otherwise.”

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MysticGogeta @ 17th Aug 12:51PM:
Don't like Comcast much but

"Underground vaults that freeze solid pose a real challenge when it comes to maintenance, fiber or otherwise.”

I could see where this is a problem when your equipment is underground and you have a foot of snow over it.
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TK Junk Mail @ 17th Aug 12:51PM:
Spoiled residents whining over nothing

Want to see a view of the neighborhood where the residents are complaining?
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The green rectangular boxes, about 1 foot or 2 feet high and 2 feet long, are being installed on the strips of ground between the street and sidewalk.

University Drive resident Bernie Goldberg(pic below), who gave a lengthy presentation on his objections to the boxes at a recent township supervisors meeting. “They look like trash cans sitting out in front of your house permanently.”
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Their houses are so far from the street they would never even see these small boxes. Just some people with very little problems to deal with looking for something to complain about. I know the area well(my sister lives a couple blocks away) and you would never even notice these boxes if you stood 5 feet from them. The landscaping blocks them from view.
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anon @ 17th Aug 01:18PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

I dont know what brain surgeon made this comment but underground vaults are climate controlled.
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Dogfather @ 17th Aug 01:10PM:
Comcast assailed for brightness of full Moon

The residents for the most part were bitching about NON-Comcast equipment. Comcast received photos of different equipment that residents were whining about and nearly all of them weren't Comcast's. Why not bitch about the full moon being too bright and blame that on Comcast as well?

Gotta love it.
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axgupta1 @ 17th Aug 01:15PM:
Over reacting

We have several of Comcast green colored boxes installed in our neighborhood of 72 homes. I do not know what these boxes are for but I have sometimes seen Comcast people working on these boxes.

These boxes were installed in the front yard of residents when the neighborhood was built about 5 years ago. I have never heard of anyone not buying a house or people having trouble selling their house or property value declining because of these boxes. In fact, some residents have done very creative landscaping around these boxes and it looks beautiful.
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NetAdmin @ 17th Aug 01:19PM:
These people can cry me a river...

The green boxes that these property owners are bitching about are used by providers ALL OVER the nation and the number of people that whine about them are a tiny fraction of the people that have them in their lawn. I know of at least two neighborhoods outside the city for upper-middle and upper income households that have them in their lawn and I've never heard of anyone in those people complaining about them.
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anon @ 17th Aug 01:24PM:
Green Cable Boxes

Those small green boxes you see up down your street are called 'pedistals'. They contain cable connections to 4 and sometime 6 houses at a time. A real thick cable runs Under the ground from box to box up and down the street. Usually in the garage or on the side of each house is a cover plate. Open the cover plate and you will see the cable connections in the wall from a thinner cable that goes through a piece of PVC tubing underground out to the small green box at the front of someones yard. Usually these boxes are hidden in clumps of bushes but sometimes they are completely out in the open.

The boxes that the phone companies are installing are 4 and 5 feet high an 4 to 5 feet wide to about 3 feet deep. there is one at the end of my street right next to the sidewalk. I hear it humming every evening when I walk by while walking my dog.

For me it's not a problem but for the two houses at the end of the street.......
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morbo @ 17th Aug 01:28PM:
Re: Green Cable Boxes

you make a good point. the AT&T boxes are much different than anything i've seen before. they are huge and are always humming...
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dadkins @ 17th Aug 01:34PM:
Maybe it's just me, but...

... I would much rather have a green briefcase or pedestal as opposed to beige refrigerator any day!
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Smith6612 @ 17th Aug 01:42PM:
Re: Green Cable Boxes

Exactly. Adelphia back when they were around when my neighborhood was built 7-8 years ago placed green cable boxes near the telephone boxes for Verizon and the power transformer, since my utilities are all underground and they're not a problem for my neighborhood. Some of my neighbors found some good use for them and they serve as good garden decorations :D . Otherwise, I have one of those small cable boxes on my lawn, and dispite me not having cable, just satellite, phone and DSL it's not a problem. They show up every other house anyways abnd they only serve as a gateway from your house to the cable network.
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rody_44 @ 17th Aug 01:47PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

climate controlled, you are joking i hope.
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Drex @ 17th Aug 01:49PM:
Saw one

I saw one of these placed IN someone's backyard. The yard in question doesn't have a fence, so it's in plain sight. Crazy if you ask me. This thing is a huge eye sore and to have one put IN my backyard? I'd be pretty upset.
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qworster @ 17th Aug 01:52PM:
They are all BANANAS!

BANANA

Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything (or Anyone)
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rody_44 @ 17th Aug 01:54PM:
vaults are nice but

vaults are nice as long as it doesnt rain and you dont have a frost line to deal with.
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rody_44 @ 17th Aug 01:56PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

please let us in on how you climate control 24"-24" vault. . maybe by putting a central ac unit above it? the climate controlled vaults are usually around a 8 to 10 feet concrete vault. you dont really suggest putting that in front of everyones house do you?
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jchambers28 @ 17th Aug 02:04PM:
numbers

how many cabinets are there per neighborhood? they need to figure out a way to reduce the number of cabinets per neighborhood 1 would be enough for me and put it some where discretely like in some ones back yard out of sight out of mind.
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Kearnstd @ 17th Aug 02:09PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

Verizon and Comcast should do something on streets that bitch about boxes of any size. dont wire them for ANY advanced services. just provide the basics. the agreements with the towns dont say a street must have full Digital services from Comcast and fios or even DSL from verizon.
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ajtroglio @ 17th Aug 02:18PM:
cabinets

I'm sure years ago people were complaining about telephone poles and power lines ruining their view. Technology will improve and this too shall pass
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cornelius785 @ 17th Aug 02:43PM:
Re: cabinets

yeah, but some will be crying, dragging their feet, making a seen, etc. all the way to that day. i'm mostly like, so what? this big new cabinent is probably going provide new great services to me. maybe if the owner of the box gives a heavy discount (like a ~80% discount) to the nearest property owner, i'd shut them most of them up.
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Rick @ 17th Aug 02:53PM:
I've heard it all now...

comparing a 1 foot or 2 feet high pedestal that's delivering a real next generation advanced network versus the uverse walk in coolers connecting to this....

»www.corp.att.com/history/other/watson.wmv
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pcme2000 @ 17th Aug 03:09PM:
Boxes

Simply get DirecTv instead drive AT&T & Comcast out of your neigborhood!!
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dadkins @ 17th Aug 03:15PM:
Re: Boxes

said by pcme2000 :

Simply get DirecTv instead drive AT&T & Comcast out of your neigborhood!!
... and what are you going to have for internet? Sat?
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Rob2647 @ 17th Aug 03:28PM:
Re: Boxes

Comcast has the small post looking ones all over my neighborhood. And AT&T has the larger cabinet ones outside it. Nothing that a little landscaping can't hide. :D
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anon @ 17th Aug 03:35PM:
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way2evil @ 17th Aug 03:42PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

Oh please, I am sure you would be bitching too if you woke up to one of these boxes on your lawn.
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John Galt @ 17th Aug 03:46PM:
Re: Maybe it's just me, but...

said by dadkins :

... I would much rather have a green briefcase or pedestal as opposed to beige refrigerator any day!
They need to install Kegerators. :p

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TK Junk Mail @ 17th Aug 03:47PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

said by way2evil :

Oh please, I am sure you would be bitching too if you woke up to one of these boxes on your lawn.
I have one on my lawn. And I was glad to get it. It meant faster service than the slow limited DSL service in my neighborhood.
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FastiBook @ 17th Aug 04:19PM:
Lawn friges? Not here!

I live in PA, and our FIOS system has street boxes, small underground ones every few houses. The "lawn frige" effect has no bearing here. At each end of the neighborhood, where there are all ready several relay boxes, the POTS boxes are complimented by 1 or 2 beige fios boxes of about the same height, but are deeper (sidewalk to street) narrower, and don't look battered by decades of vandalism and weather wear. My only gripe is that they are beige and not green, as to blend them into the green all around. They were originally plain metal with no paint, then one by one they were painted about a week after they appeared. Comcast's curb boxes are 2 feet tall rounded green plastic domes that stick out like some kinda plastic tree stump.
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CableTool @ 17th Aug 04:24PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Totally.. I was just knee deep in one the other day. My toes were warm so I turned the thermostat up.. :uhh:
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migan1 @ 17th Aug 04:33PM:
1000

I'll take 5 of them on my lawn if they can give me gigabit
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anon @ 17th Aug 04:47PM:
Boxes

AT&T came to our church and negotiated a small spot on the property to put up one of those big honkin boxes. Paid the church $5000 up front and $150 a month. Been there for about two years now.
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backfeed @ 17th Aug 04:58PM:
Whine whine whine

I have one of the pedestals at the edge of my yard....I am glad it is there...ATT cannot get DSL to me so this is the only real option I have. Do these people complain about the transformer vaults in the neighborhood?...Maybe they should get rid of them...without electricity all the rest of the complaining will go away.
Some people will bitch if they were hung with a new rope :uhh:
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bogey780 @ 17th Aug 05:22PM:
Re: Maybe it's just me, but...

Yea...but the telco one actually works all the time even when power goes out.
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tmc8080 @ 17th Aug 05:29PM:
common sense

from the company's point of view, whatever is the cheapest and serves the most amount of customers with the absolute minimum they will tolerate.. seemingly 6mbit uverse and cablemodem access is sufficient for much of the country.. that's what they'll do, meanwhile the northeast corridor & west coasts keep cranking up the bandwidth towards 50 & 100mbits in the coming months. costs will not go down if there isn't more investment in major internet transport hops. part of this is major isp's buying or building next generation fiber links to control tier-1 data costs.

before, the issue was deployment or no deployment, increasingly these days.. it's small pipe vs big, bigger, biggest pipe (bandwidth speaking, not physical infrastructure) you could have cabinets out the whazule in your town, yet they could still be offering 1-8 megabit plans. eventually, this will work itself out, the question is.. will it take regulation or some sort of government push to get there.
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YayOtters @ 17th Aug 06:01PM:
Power Boxes?

I'm not sure what the technical term is for them, but we've got one of those big green power boxes in our front lawn (and many other people do in other neighborhoods) but that's never been an issue.

We've got a few shrubs planted around it which have grown around it...Problem solved. Aside from not being a big problem, it's an easy fix if people would stop crying.
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Sly @ 17th Aug 06:15PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

said by jerryjam :

I dont know what brain surgeon made this comment but underground vaults are climate controlled.
Well actually you may have a point (although worded a little strangely). If you dig deep enough underground you will pretty much encounter the same temperature year round. Once you go a few feet underground the temperature will remain in the 50's or 60's year round.
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mworks @ 17th Aug 06:20PM:
Re: Power Boxes?

Those green power boxes are line transformers, or as a teacher I had called them, pole pigs. Only the new ones are in a box with underground power lines. I guess they are box pigs ?
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alphapointe @ 17th Aug 06:27PM:
Re: Maybe it's just me, but...

heh, when the batteries aren't exploding. :D
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EPS @ 17th Aug 06:27PM:
Re: Lawn friges? Not here!

I don't see any boxes like that around here- I suppose the equipment must be a bit different for on-pole deployment, or am I not looking hard enough?
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cdru @ 17th Aug 06:43PM:
Re: Don't like Comcast much but

Telcos, water, sewer, and any other utilities that have had manholes haven't had problems managing winter maintenance for decades.
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ptrowski @ 17th Aug 07:10PM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

said by Rick :

comparing a 1 foot or 2 feet high pedestal that's delivering a real next generation advanced network versus the uverse walk in coolers connecting to this....

»www.corp.att.com/history/other/watson.wmv
Awww, someone is a bit defensive. Comcast is getting heat for the same thing they tried to highlight they didn't have.

Glass houses, Comcast.
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NormanS @ 17th Aug 07:25PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

said by way2evil :

Oh please, I am sure you would be bitching too if you woke up to one of these boxes on your lawn.
None of the twenty, or so, VRADs I have seen are on anybody's front lawns.
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NormanS @ 17th Aug 07:36PM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

said by Rick :

comparing a 1 foot or 2 feet high pedestal
The Comcast boxes I saw in Albany, Oregon, were rather more than 1 foot, or 2 foot high pedestals.
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kwest @ 17th Aug 07:43PM:
Stupid people

Cry baby people want advanced services but then don't like the equipment that must be placed on the street, just like the cry babies around here want cell phones but don't want cell towers to operate them give me a break!

Bottom line is the equipment cabinets ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY and there is NOTHING no one can do about it, we do not own the right of way the county or city does.

my 2 cents
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bogey780 @ 17th Aug 08:24PM:
Re: Maybe it's just me, but...

Eh... 4 RTs out of literally thousands upon thousands.
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alphapointe @ 17th Aug 08:27PM:
Re: Maybe it's just me, but...

It was meant to be sarcastic. I am aware of the VERY small number of exploding batteries.
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funchords @ 17th Aug 08:32PM:
Re: Stupid people

said by kwest :

Cry baby people want advanced services but then don't like the equipment that must be placed on the street, just like the cry babies around here want cell phones but don't want cell towers to operate them give me a break!
"Cry babies" -- Can we please raise the civility level?

said by kwest :

Bottom line is the equipment cabinets ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY and there is NOTHING no one can do about it, we do not own the right of way the county or city does.

my 2 cents
There is something that someone can do, and it is exactly what these people are doing -- they're going to their local officials to see if their concerns can be balanced with the needs of Comcast.

That's not being a cry-baby. That's handling the manner responsibly.
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funchords @ 17th Aug 08:53PM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

They don't look like that here in Portland. If I've ever seen anything like that, its been one or two for a neighborhood on a collector street. I've never associated it with Comcast.

In the neighborhoods here, a Pedestal is an apt name for some of them, while "stump" (the small ones) or "footstool" (the larger ones) might be an apt name. They're both that light green utility color that is pretty common. And since they're not really well marked, I don't know which of these belong to VZ and which belong to Comcast. The Comcast "stump" that served my house was across the cul-de-sac -- four doors away.
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tshirt @ 17th Aug 09:00PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

said by TK Junk Mail :

I know the area well(my sister lives a couple blocks away) and you would never even notice these boxes if you stood 5 feet from them. The landscaping blocks them from view.
This is the same city about to sell it's sewer system, to a private company, because according to their anal-isys of the proposal it will be cheaper for the next 5 years (with a BIG bump at the end)
i suppose the next effort will be to outlaw those ugly manholes.
what a bunch of nimby's
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CableTool @ 17th Aug 09:24PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

said by Sly :

said by jerryjam :

I dont know what brain surgeon made this comment but underground vaults are climate controlled.
Well actually you may have a point (although worded a little strangely). If you dig deep enough underground you will pretty much encounter the same temperature year round. Once you go a few feet underground the temperature will remain in the 50's or 60's year round.
I hope thats sarcasm.

I think what the guy was referring to was some hubsites that are somewhat climate controlled. Sealed vaults that need to be purged before you can even go in them because of gases.
Those however are not the vaults that anyone is speaking of.
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burger2000 @ 17th Aug 09:40PM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

said by NormanS :

The Comcast boxes I saw in Albany, Oregon, were rather more than 1 foot, or 2 foot high pedestals.
That is a power supply cabinet. It has a power supply in it and from the looks of the top hat, has 6 batteries for extended standby.

Someone commented earlier about how the phone stays up even when the power goes out. We want the fast speeds and the standby but no equipment in the field. Maybe when we have the invisible paint everyone can be happy!
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Kearnstd @ 17th Aug 10:15PM:
Re: Power Boxes?

and yet none of these NIMBY asshats whine about the power company. but i guess they kinda like their lights to stay on.

Those green power boxes are line transformers, or as a teacher I had called them, pole pigs. Only the new ones are in a box with underground power lines. I guess they are box pigs ?


would that make the box a "Pig Pen"?
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NormanS @ 17th Aug 10:19PM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

VRADs don't serve individual houses, or clusters of four. They are the AT&T counterparts to "nodes". Serve, perhaps, a couple of hundred premises, or so.

I believe the box I photographed is the node which serves my sister's neighborhood. There are no pedestals on my sister's street (Albany, Oregon), or on any of the streets in my immediate neighborhood. All Comcast drops are aerial in both cases. The Comcast node for our neighborhood is probably half the size of the one I photographed, and pole-mounted.

Screen shots show the nodes for Comcast and AT&T in our neighborhood. While the Comcast box is smaller, it isn't a "1'x2' ped".

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T&T neighborhood node.
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Skippy25 @ 17th Aug 10:44PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

It is 65 degrees at 4 feet year round I believe. However whether or not their cover will maintain that is another story, but I would imagine it would be pretty good.
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Kearnstd @ 17th Aug 10:48PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

these are the kinda people who call up their ISP when their 16mbit service is only giving them 15.5mbit. at the same time they refuse to except any equipment on their block.
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JerryTimes @ 17th Aug 11:25PM:
Re: Don't like Comcast much but

You wanna bet?
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hottboiinnc @ 18th Aug 12:26AM:
Re: numbers

when you figure this out let ATT know. They'd love to reduce the amount of money they're spending on their VARDS and i'm sure they'd really love that they could reduce the amount of "skilled" union employees that they'd need to install these since they're the only ones that are "skilled enough" to be able to do it.

Hell it would improve ATT's bottom line.
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hottboiinnc @ 18th Aug 12:34AM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

Those at ATT and their brain washed employees believe those boxes they use serve at least 700 customers. Which is hard to believe with all of the ones they have popping up around my neighborhood. I have one on my corner. Go down about a mile into another newer area and find 3 more! ALL VARDs. How many houses are between my HOA and the other? It will be lucky if there is 700.

ATT doesn't know how many each box can service. If they did they wouldn't be dropping them like flies in many areas.
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MysticGogeta @ 18th Aug 12:40AM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

I have a cable box in my backyard and I'm damn glad its there cause I can't get DSL.
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NormanS @ 18th Aug 01:57AM:
Re: I've heard it all now...

I am not employed by AT&T.

The VRAD I have posted the photo of, serves no more house than the adjacent "B-Box" (aka, "cross-connect"). It can't; it uses the F2 connections to that B-Box to distribute the service.

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cdru @ 18th Aug 08:13AM:
Re: Don't like Comcast much but

Let me rephrase that. Utilities that have manholes have had them for decades and somehow manage to make them work. I'm not saying that they don't have problems, but rather they just deal with them and move on. There isn't anything super special that only applies to Comcast and their underground vaults here.
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CarterStClai @ 18th Aug 09:31AM:
Re: cabinets

You might notice that most new neighborhoods have eliminated telephone poles for this very reason. People complained, and things were changed in new construction.
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ArgMeMatey @ 18th Aug 10:45AM:
Re: Stupid people

said by kwest :

Bottom line is the equipment cabinets ARE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY and there is NOTHING no one can do about it, we do not own the right of way the county or city does.
I don't know about things in the Peoples Republic of Dallas GA but around here the counties and cities are run by elected officials. So at least there's the appearance of democracy. Every citizen owns one vote's worth of that ROW. Put enough of them together and they own a majority.

It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to get the policitician re-elected. Making sense of things often falls on the judge's shoulders.

Complainers who want high-speed service are not complaining about competition or getting something they want. Nor would they object to a strategy of providing advanced communications to all. What they are really complaining about is the providers' tactics: Instead of putting in a more expensive, more disruptive network such as FTTH, they are choosing to more gradually push the high-speed network out, which means a lot more large boxes.

Some terms for clarification if memory serves:

CEV: Controlled environmental vault
52B: 63" tall, AT&T VRAD cabinet, aka refrigerator
ALP-248 48" tall, AT&T VRAD cabinet
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rahvin112 @ 18th Aug 02:01PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

Anything installed below frost depth will maintain a constant temperature anywhere from 50-60^ regardless of air temperature, it's called average soil temperature and depends on latitude.
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rahvin112 @ 18th Aug 02:08PM:
Re: Over reacting

That's cause the box is already there. It's financial impact on the property was established before the lot was even sold. Now take an established property and come put install a "Fridge" in the front yard. The new financial impact of that "Fridge" has will now be felt by the current property owner.

If you don't think these things have a financial impact on the property you are either an idiot or have never owned property. I have a ground mount transformer that occupies one corner of my backyard and makes approximately 200-300 square feet of yard useless. I considered it's placement carefully when I made my offer on the home and it had a real impact on the value.
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rahvin112 @ 18th Aug 02:21PM:
Re: numbers

Really? I have the solution right now. Run fiber to the home.

No big VRAD that transitions from fiber to copper. You run the fiber to the home, terminate it on the side of the house. Fiber to the home doesn't need all the repeaters, it doesn't need huge boxes full of batteries/generators. It also requires a lot less maintenance, isn't susceptible to electrical or magnetic interferance, is immune to water problems and has lower maintenance costs. Aside from the installation cost it's much cheaper for the provider to have a fiber installation versus copper.
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irsean @ 18th Aug 03:04PM:
FTTH Rules.

CEV's are not the same as the boxes this article is discussing. CEV's are for the larger network and these are distribution points. Not the same thing.
Not sure about U-Verse but here at Vzn, our FDH (Fiber Dist Hubs) are anything but environmentally controlled. And the boxes in front of every two or three houses aren't even distribution hubs, they are termination points. Luckily these terminals are water sealed (the actual termination point, not the in-ground box they're in). I regularly have to bail out these boxes because some guy has his sprinklers going off every hour of the day (haven't these people heard of water conservation?).
Luckily, public right of way and "Ingress/Egress" clauses in Property Deeds give utilities the right to put whatever equipment they want in these places. Of course, if AT&T brought the fiber all the way to the house, these big boxes wouldn't even be necessary.
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tshirt @ 18th Aug 03:26PM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

said by rahvin112 :

Anything installed below frost depth will maintain a constant temperature
Actually, you need to go down around 30' to get to the constant temperature zone in most parts of the US.
At 8-12 feet you reach an area that will be warmer or colder 6 months out of phase with the weather i.e summer warmth wiill reach and effect that level around january.
this is convienent from ground looped (earth coupled) heat pumps, but not so good for easy acessible cable connections.
and then comes ground water problems, cable guys shouldn't need scuba gear :D
Deep burial is impractical for most residental applications
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FastiBook @ 18th Aug 03:46PM:
Re: FTTH Rules.

said by irsean :

CEV's are not the same as the boxes this article is discussing. CEV's are for the larger network and these are distribution points. Not the same thing.
Not sure about U-Verse but here at Vzn, our FDH (Fiber Dist Hubs) are anything but environmentally controlled. And the boxes in front of every two or three houses aren't even distribution hubs, they are termination points. Luckily these terminals are water sealed (the actual termination point, not the in-ground box they're in). I regularly have to bail out these boxes because some guy has his sprinklers going off every hour of the day (haven't these people heard of water conservation?).
Luckily, public right of way and "Ingress/Egress" clauses in Property Deeds give utilities the right to put whatever equipment they want in these places. Of course, if AT&T brought the fiber all the way to the house, these big boxes wouldn't even be necessary.
The transformer boxes blend into wherever they are, they have just been around so long and are that camo green that kinda goes away in your peripheral vision. I prefer these to having lines on poles. Verizon's curbside boxes serve 2 houses at a time i believe, and often are completely invisible from most angles because they are green, blend into the grass, and they sit very low, the tops are typically flush with the soil. Comcast has had such problems with water in my area in their curb boxes that they installed the plastic domes instead. These domes also cover what's inside (obviously)... a vertically mounted coax terminal switch that also serves 2 houses at up to 5 boxes each plus internet & voip without extra fiddling. I believe fios tv can handle 15 hd streams at a time per ONT, so there really is no limit because of how they deliver the data as long as everyone isn't watching citizen cane in cinemascope on HBOHD at the same time. Voip and internet are included obviously. Now, ATT has something totally different, and in my opinion totally useless. Not only do they have the wonders of fiber, but the nightmares of copper, and lawn friges to boot. If they had just done it the way vz did, no one would be saying anything about eyesore telco boxes.

All that being said, it feels "high tech" to me to have stuff in the ground rather than sprouting up all over, like att and comcast are stuck in the 80's and vz is from "back to the future".
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anon @ 18th Aug 04:55PM:
Re: Don't like Comcast much but

sounds like you have never done this work before. you should try it then post you commet and we will see what you say. i bet it would be a little different
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cdru @ 18th Aug 06:14PM:
Re: Don't like Comcast much but

said by jt4 :

sounds like you have never done this work before. you should try it then post you commet and we will see what you say. i bet it would be a little different
No I've never done maintenance in a manhole. But I have done construction type work in winter so I know that the ground gets hard, water freezes, and things get frozen shut. I do also have decent critical thinking abilities so I can apply my limited knowledge to a more broader sense. Let me go over it slowly for you...

Q. Do other utilities use manholes, vaults, or other underground facilities?
A. Yes.

Q. Do other utilities use said facilities in winter in locations that freeze?
A. Yes.

Q. Have winters been around for more then a year or two?
A. Yes.

Q. Do other utilities continue to install underground facilities, despite having to put up with freezing weather year after year?
A. Yes.

I never said that winter maintenance wasn't an issue, or that winter weather wasn't a challenge. All I was saying is that other utilities seem to manage the problems, so can Comcast. But I welcome anyone else that wants to chime in betting me, challenging me, or just proclaiming that I have no fricking idea what I'm talking about.
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Nerdtalker @ 18th Aug 09:14PM:
Re: Don't like Comcast much but

It's funny how something like fiber, which seems impervious to just about anything, can react so adversely to a piece of ice stressing it or causing microbends which attenuate the signal to just about nothing.

Throw a junction box like that underground, add water, add winter, and you're in for some fun.
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rody_44 @ 18th Aug 09:15PM:
Re: FTTH Rules.

actually it wasnt comcast that had the problem but lower bucks cablevision. the township required lower bucks to install the underground vaults so thats what was done. as technology evolved and comcast purchased the system they had no choice but to go with the peds instead. verizon fios hasnt been down in lower bucks very long as your correct that lower bucks is very wet and the vaults fill up and freeze in the winter. last year was a warm winter so the vaults didnt freeze but all hells going to break loose when the same thing happens to verizon as happened to lower bucks cable vision and later comcast. bottom line vaults dont work down there no matter who installs them. bottom line is a vault filled with ice = no service for the subscriber. vaults are nothing but a plastic box with no bottom with a plastic lid and they still suck.
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FastiBook @ 19th Aug 06:39PM:
Re: FTTH Rules.

These have 2 feet of gravel under them for drainage. The comcast ones were just on dirt. We've had flooding rains and SERIOUS snow (because it's by the road it can get piled high up to 5 feet of snow moved from the sidewalk & street) as well as snow plus rain etc etc. They seem to be holding up well. In fact, the only thing we did have an issue with ironically was the comcast box! They had to splice into the next box down to bring the signal to our house, was a nice orange coax cable, and sat there for 2 weeks or so. They ran new line through the conduit and pulled the old line out after the 2 or so weeks and everything has been fine with it since. The "poor signal quality" ferry has been visiting my TV screen though, along with tiling and mismatched audio/video. After 20 years of comcast we've grown tired of their faulty crap. Time to let someone else try. :)

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anon @ 22nd Aug 09:25AM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

i wouldn't care if it was on my roof as long as i could get something other than dial up and satt.
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anon @ 22nd Aug 11:04AM:
Re: Spoiled residents whining over nothing

no cut them off completely.then they could use lovely dialup or satt.
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anon @ 22nd Aug 09:48AM:
Re: Whine whine whine

really all i can get is dial up or satt.I have hughes satt.,and let me tell you all it sux 80.00 a month for average of 700mb down and 50mb up,and 375mb download limit a day,also i pay for the 1.5mb service and the oly time i get that is after midnight.during peak times gets as low as 100 down and 20 up

to sit here and see people bitch about freaking boxes or cones in their yard is silly.they need to take them out and leave you all with nothing but dial up.Use that for a week and you would let them put boxes on your front porch you all need to get a life change is not always bad
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anon @ 22nd Aug 11:04AM:
Re: Whine whine whine

correction all my numbers are in kb's not mb's except the 1.5mb service im supposed to be getting
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anon @ 22nd Aug 10:05AM:
Re: Lawn friges? Not here!

yes you are correct the on pole deployment for cable is alot different very small boxes on the pole usually has a green light on it.
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