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Comcast Tells FCC To Butt Out Hints at legal action if they try to act (old news - 02:30PM Thursday Mar 20 2008) tags: legal · competition · Fileswapping · fcc · business · bandwidth · cable · networking · Comcast Tipped by TK Junk Mail
In response to an FCC investigation, Comcast has been trying hard to convince the agency that the company's forging of TCP packets to throttle P2P traffic for their users is perfectly reasonable -- as per the definition of reasonable in the FCC's network neutrality policy statement. That has involved using the word reasonable a lot in a new terms of service, and issuing an 80 page statement to the FCC that used the word reasonable forty times. With Comcast apparently figuring out that repetition of a word doesn't alter reality, the cable giant is now arguing that even if their traffic shaping does violate the FCC's policy statement, the FCC lacks the authority to do anything about it. In a new filing (pdf), Comcast Executive VP David Cohen hints very strongly that they'll take legal action if the FCC attempts to fine the company. "The congressional policy and agency practice of relying on the marketplace instead of regulation to maximize consumer welfare has been proven by experience (including the Comcast customer experience) to be enormously successful," Cohen says. "Bearing these facts in mind should obviate the need for the Commission to test its legal authority." Cohen goes on to deny the FCC's suggestion that there isn't adequate transparency for customers, given "we communicate appropriately with our customers." That's pretty entertaining from a company that first outright denied they were throttling P2P traffic, followed by months of semantic denials. They've still yet to fully explain exactly what they're doing to P2P traffic within even the finest print of the company's terms of service. In lock step with Comcast, National Cable and Telecommunications Association boss Kyle McSlarrow engaged in a 15 minute monologue with reporters this morning, arguing that regulators should essentially butt out, because as overseers of industry they're in no position to oversee industry (or something like that). McSlarrow also suggests there's no need for consumers to fill their pretty little heads with the technical specifics of TOS agreements and network operations: "We're not blocking access to any application, and we don't throttle any traffic." |
McSlarrow said Thursday that he believes Comcast has always been transparent enough about its practices and that it's impractical for cable operators to reveal, on an application-by-application basis, how they manage their networks. "If you're disclosing 8,000 things, no one's going to read these things," he said, adding that there's also a chance that "proprietary" information could get out. Comments from Martin at the first hearing in Hartford seem to suggest he's leaning very heavily toward at least fining the company for not being forthcoming with customers. If so, it looks like he can expect a long, drawn out, "Comcastic" battle in the courts. Related:- NY Attorney General Investigating Comcast
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mrchris @ 20th Mar 02:24PM:
Heh, the picture of..
The old lady who went into a service center with a hammer "Do I have your attention now?"
:D
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 02:27PM:
Comcast, the new AT&T
Anyone hearing echoes of the 1970's?
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moonpuppy @ 20th Mar 02:30PM:
So are they or arn't they blocking traffic?
Seems Comcast can't be straight with even themselves. :D
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Alakar @ 20th Mar 02:32PM:
Transparent?
Isn't this the same company that denied they had usage caps and still won't specify what those caps are? Transparency my ass!!
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DHRacer @ 20th Mar 02:33PM:
No way
Any company that tells the government regulator to go to hell should be btch-slapped and broken up into tiny little pieces and sold off.
Wait, they did that to AT&T and look how well that worked out. Nevermind...
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morbo @ 20th Mar 02:36PM:
Re: Heh, the picture of..
that picture is awesome.
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EPS @ 20th Mar 02:40PM:
Re: Comcast, the new AT&T
A shame the company didn't go through with the early plans (when they first started talking about buying AT&T Broadband) to name the company "AT&T Comcast" :D
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A P CC @ 20th Mar 02:47PM:
C,C,better be careful about pushing
, the cable giant is now arguing that even if their traffic shaping does violate the FCC's policy statement, the FCC lacks the authority to do anything about it.
Weather the F.C.C. does or doesn't have the authority, Castrate, (I mean comcast) had better step gently, the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast,and since WHEN does or can a private company dictate over how a gov't agency is run.
maybe the F.C.C. need to know Comcast back down a peg or 2.
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Yetskii @ 20th Mar 02:52PM:
Heh, 8000 things
"If you're disclosing 8,000 things, no one's going to read these things," he said,
I for one would be very interested in reading about all 8000 things thank you.....and I am sure there are alot ofpeople who do as well.
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JerryTongue @ 20th Mar 03:00PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
Isn't that a slap in the face to the FCC. Before you know it everyone will start to tell the FCC to just kiss off, I will do what I want and you will like it. We have a lot of big battles going on right now with all the ISP's, if the FCC doesn't step up and give a good hard look at everything and make sure all the rules are clear "in Black and White" they will lose any control of anything and we are all going to get screwed in the end. I think now is the time they need to set a example just to let everyone know just who they are.I think this could really hurt the FCC if they dont act hard on this and act very hard so EVERYONE hears it.
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TK Junk Mail @ 20th Mar 03:00PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by A P CC :
the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended. What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.
So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
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backness @ 20th Mar 03:05PM:
Re: Heh, 8000 things
not to mention if one of the 8000 directly affected my communications I'd certainly like to know.
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tshirt @ 20th Mar 03:10PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by TK Junk Mail :
So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
Correct, the FTC would be the one to deal with unfairtrade practices , if any.
Even if the FCC had authority, gov't agencies can't respond in a vindictive manner. So what if CC was rude, as long as they didn't fail to respond to a legal request/order the FCC would be unable to punish them just for being rude.
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qworster @ 20th Mar 03:18PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by TK Junk Mail :said by A P CC :
the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended. What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.
So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
WRONG!!!
Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about! Congress specifically GAVE the FCC the power to regulate cable. There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
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Gilitar @ 20th Mar 03:20PM:
AT&T all over again
When a company feels like they are big enough to push the FCC around it's time they are put in their place.
It's just a matter of time before the FCC puts these idiots in their place. They have it coming.
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jonnyb @ 20th Mar 03:23PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
I love how people stick up for the FCC there the ones that are taking our rights from us, all i have to say is Howard Stern....
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Gilitar @ 20th Mar 03:29PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
What about Howard Stern? He is vulgar and has no place on public airwaves... Your point?
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jonnyb @ 20th Mar 03:33PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
That is exactly my point. He has every right to be vulgar thats his right to free speech thanks for the help in proving what i am trying to say.
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TK Junk Mail @ 20th Mar 03:34PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by qworster :said by TK Junk Mail :said by A P CC :
the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended. What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.
So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
WRONG!!!Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about! Congress specifically GAVE the FCC the power to regulate cable. There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
So they have a bureau that deals with cable companies. So what!! Their power is very limited and when they have exercised it, they got slapped down in court.
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 03:36PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by qworster :
There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
Nobody has heard of the FCC "cable bureau" because there isn't one.
There is the Video Division of the Media Bureau which handles Cable TV. But that certainly is not their only responsibility.
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 03:38PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
How does keeping Howard Stern from making an ass of himself on the air abridge your free speech? Are you Howard Stern?
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CConverse @ 20th Mar 03:40PM:
Re: Heh, the picture of..
LOL I love the old lady that photo is classic :D
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jonnyb @ 20th Mar 03:40PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
said by Gilitar :
When a company feels like they are big enough to push the FCC around it's time they are put in their place.
It's just a matter of time before the FCC puts these idiots in their place. They have it coming.
It is not about pushing the FCC around it is about comcast managing there network so that everyone can have a equal amount of bandwidth and who is the FCC to tell them how to do this.
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flyingjoey @ 20th Mar 03:42PM:
Break'em Break'em!
Let's break up comcast in 20 smaller companies, then like year later, they will all merge and go from 20 down to 10, then 5, then 3 then back to 1.
I'm waiting for Verizon to take over Embaq, then AT&T will merge with Verizon and since American Telephone & Telegraph sounds better than Verizon, the verizon name will go away. Then the FCC will be aka FCC an AT&T Company.
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jonnyb @ 20th Mar 03:42PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
said by RadioDoc :
How does keeping Howard Stern from making an ass of himself on the air abridge your free speech? Are you Howard Stern?
Who knows I could be, thats not the point there have been several other broadcasters that have been fired or fined for supposed indecent remarks.
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funchords @ 20th Mar 03:47PM:
"Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
said by NCTA President :
"Technology is agnostic, but it is plainly the case that some significant percentage of the peer-to-peer traffic is pirated material."
--Kyle McSlarrow, president of the National Cable and Telecommunications AssociationAND WITH THAT LINE, he adds another reason that Cable TV companies should NOT be allowed to inspect and then discriminate on traffic at their whim.
The ISP is supposed to connect the end-user to the Internet Cloud and charge for said transit. If the ISP decides to inspect your packets to ensure you're not violating the copyrights and distribution rights of his Cable TV or its media partners, then your right to privacy is infringed.
Furthermore, we've already seen the collateral damage. Due to such inspection and "management," the Associated Press could not upload the King James Version of the Holy Bible (which has no copyright interest as it is in the Public Domain).
Way to go, NCTA! Thank you for making our point for us!
Robb Topolski
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 03:51PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
That is the point. You are not the one being fined.
Broadcasters have a license, which carries certain limitations and responsibilities. One of which is to operate in the public interest. That concept has been tested in court dozens of times and a entertainment performer on the radio is not guaranteed the same free speech rights as a person standing on a streetcorner espousing their beliefs or publishing anti-government tomes without the use of the airwaves.
And I might add, Howard was not the one being fined.
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jonnyb @ 20th Mar 03:53PM:
ISPs Want To Bill By The Byte
Its only a matter of time, this should fix all the probs I bet you techies cant wait huh?
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JSRoman @ 20th Mar 03:55PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by RadioDoc :said by qworster :
There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
Nobody has heard of the FCC "cable bureau" because there isn't one.
There
is the Video Division of the Media Bureau which handles Cable TV. But that certainly is not their only responsibility.
Too funny. Some things just write themeselves.
WRONG!!!
Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about!
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funchords @ 20th Mar 03:57PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by TK Junk Mail :
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended.
Yes, they do have FCC licenses, but I haven't researched what they cover and whether/if/how they might be in play in this case.
»www.fcc.gov/mb/attcomcast/ -- the licenses are enumerated in the Order. I'm sure there are more.
said by TK Junk Mail :
What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.
So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
Throwing my own bias aside for a moment, let's assume you are right. The FCC sends Comcast a "Notice of Apparent Liability" (a fine) and Comcast fights and "wins."
1. The legislation required to give the FCC such power is sure to be passed, OR
2. The next time Comcast wants anything at all that requires approval, the FCC can use this example in demonstration of lack of cooperation, poor history of disclosure, bad-faith bargaining, anti-competitive behavior -- etc., OR
3. Both
Comcast should just reverse itself now and admit wrongdoing. This is what Verizon did with the NARAL codes, and it is very clear that the FCC and the public both are going to give that incident a pass.
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Camelot One @ 20th Mar 03:59PM:
Re: Heh, the picture of..
Someone needs to photoshop Martin with the hammer though.
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funchords @ 20th Mar 04:01PM:
Re: Break'em Break'em!
said by flyingjoey :
...then AT&T will merge with Verizon and since American Telephone & Telegraph sounds better than Verizon, the verizon name will go away...
No, it's time for another flip-flop. They'll bring "Cingular" back. :) But now that they're a monopoly, they'll spell it "Singular." :D ;)
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TraumaJunkie @ 20th Mar 04:01PM:
Re: Heh, the picture of..
said by CConverse :
LOL I love the old lady that photo is classic :D
But what the hell does it have to do with this story?
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funchords @ 20th Mar 04:03PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by JSRoman :said by RadioDoc :said by qworster :
There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
Nobody has heard of the FCC "cable bureau" because there isn't one.
There
is the Video Division of the Media Bureau which handles Cable TV. But that certainly is not their only responsibility.
Too funny. Some things just write themeselves.
WRONG!!!
Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about! The Mass Media Bureau and Cable Bureau have merged to become simply the "Media Bureau."
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TraumaJunkie @ 20th Mar 04:06PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
Throwing my own bias aside for a moment, let's assume you are right. The FCC sends Comcast a "Notice of Apparent Liability" (a fine) and Comcast fights and "wins."
1. The legislation required to give the FCC such power is sure to be passed, OR
2. The next time Comcast wants anything at all that requires approval, the FCC can use this example in demonstration of lack of cooperation, poor history of disclosure, bad-faith bargaining, anti-competitive behavior -- etc., OR
3. Both
Comcast should just reverse itself now and admit wrongdoing. This is what Verizon did with the NARAL codes, and it is very clear that the FCC and the public both are going to give that incident a pass.
No, Comcast does not have a snowball's chance in hell until either (a) Martin is gone or (2)They change their name to VerizATTcast and have their primary business changed from cable to telephony. Then, as Verizon & ATT have shown, they will have carte blanc to do as they please without any FCC interferance.
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 04:08PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
The farther this goes, the more Internet access screams for common carrier status.
And when you start to see all of the industry interests lining up and mouthing the same lines you know they are working overtime to hide the elephant in the room. The elephant they don't want anyone to notice.
The elephant that is their continuing lie.
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 04:11PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
He was being ironic. I'm pretty sure he (and anyone else who actually deals with the FCC) knew that already. The 'merger' happened awhile ago when cable was deregulated.
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TIGERON @ 20th Mar 04:12PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
Thank you.
History has a way of repeating itself all over again as with the railroad monopolies of the 19th century and MA Bell of the 20th. They too were broken up. Comcasts' days of continuing to get away with murder is nearing an end.
»www.gilbertrandolph.com/about-news-64.html
This is already spreading to several states and many angry former subscribers are about to get even.
WATCH DAVID COHEN, BRIAN ROBERTS AND THE REST OF THE COMCAST BIG WIGS BE TAUGHT A LESSON AND BE BROUGHT BACK DOWN TO EARTH.
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funchords @ 20th Mar 04:13PM:
Re: Heh, 8000 things
said by Yetskii :
"If you're disclosing 8,000 things, no one's going to read these things," he said,
I for one would be very interested in reading about all 8000 things thank you.....and I am sure there are alot ofpeople who do as well.
Me three ...
So basically his rationale is "We have the right to change 8,000 things about your Internet connection and not tell you about it."
My thinking is, "if you're going to change 8,000 things about my Internet connection, I definitely want to know about it! (And you ought to have your head examined!)"
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Karl Bode @ 20th Mar 04:14PM:
Re: Heh, 8000 things
Like thing number 7,284 which locks you into binding arbitration. Who wants icky details.
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funchords @ 20th Mar 04:16PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by RadioDoc :
He was being ironic. I'm pretty sure he (and anyone else who actually deals with the FCC) knew that already. The 'merger' happened awhile ago when cable was deregulated.
Thanks. I must have missed his smiley :) -- a person as dense as I am sometimes needs a clue.
My last dealing with the FCC was the renewal of the ham license I hardly use anymore...
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 04:17PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
Welcome to my hell. I am dealing with them every day...
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funchords @ 20th Mar 04:26PM:
Re: Heh, 8000 things
I think we should "Sticky" the "Icky"
Preserve Your Rights - »www.comcast.com/arbitrationoptout/
PS: You can always request arbitration. There is no need to give away your rights beforehand.
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TScheisskopf @ 20th Mar 04:35PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
Bingo. Give that man a ceegar. A Romeo Y Julieta.
With their entry into telephony, and telecom's entry into TV delivery, and with their use of public rights of way to effect their delivery of services, it is well past time to make them ALL common carriers, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with being one.
It is quite apparent that Comcast, with their apparent and attempted slapdown of the FCC, has gotten way too big for its britches, considering itself to be breathing the air of some super-legal heaven. That is not likely.
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espaeth @ 20th Mar 04:42PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by A P CC :
since WHEN does or can a private company dictate over how a gov't agency is run.
Did lobbying disappear while I was sleeping?
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BabyBear @ 20th Mar 04:47PM:
Re: Comcast, the new AT&T
said by EPS :
name the company "AT&T Comcast" :D
*shudder*
A subsidiary of Microsoft Google.
Slogan: "Would you like to use OUR Internet, Today?"
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RadioDoc @ 20th Mar 04:49PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
One thing a responsible management in a regulated industry doesn't do is start taunting the head of the regulatory serpent without knowing what the tail is up to. The FCC has very real legal teeth and the ability to make life miserable via Congress.
And with a potential shift in focus from industry to consumer issues at the FCC, along with the economy sputtering out in an election year, this is not a good time for corporate grandstanding. It is far too likely to attract the attention of a publicity-seeking Congress critter who will side with the FCC and do his own grandstanding in Congress. That's pretty much how we got to this point in the first place.
As an aside, Comcast seems to be the more vocal probably due to their mediocre stock performance. Almost all of this is aimed at keeping the major stakeholders off the porch, and probably with good cause. AT&T hasn't been lighting up the night either but they've done a lot better than Comcast has in the last 5 years.
[att=1]
That's got to have a lot of bearing on the current flailing about.
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jester121 @ 20th Mar 04:50PM:
Re: Heh, the picture of..
It's someone who hates Comcast, just like Karl. :)
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jester121 @ 20th Mar 04:59PM:
Re: Heh, 8000 things
It was a stupid comment, and sure to have the jackals jumping out of the woodwork. But he's right, companies have no requirement to fill in all the details for how their service works. No internet provider goes out of their way to explain how everything in their network is set up, and if you ask they won't tell you.
However, as a customer you have the very powerful choice to do one of two things: either continue or stop.
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funchords @ 20th Mar 05:10PM:
Re: Heh, 8000 things
said by jester121 :
However, as a customer you have the very powerful choice to do one of two things: either continue or stop.
Consumer choice IS A HUGE FACTOR. So far, Comcast has been my only 1+ Mbps choice at 2 different addresses in my town -- known as the heart of the Silicon Forest and home to most of Intel Corp's employees.
If Cable Internet were open access, like DSL was a few years back, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Cheese @ 20th Mar 05:38PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
said by jonnyb :said by RadioDoc :
How does keeping Howard Stern from making an ass of himself on the air abridge your free speech? Are you Howard Stern?
Who knows I could be, thats not the point there have been several other broadcasters that have been fired or fined for supposed indecent remarks.
He is not on public airwaves anymore. He has every right to be as vulgar and nasty as he can be.
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TScheisskopf @ 20th Mar 05:43PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
Lawdy, that is some pitiful performance. Since I do not follow their stock, I had no idea they were treading such water, even though they are said to be sitting on the proverbial "mountain of cash". Why the downward pressure? Surely they cannot be spending that much on infrastructure upgrades, at least out in copperland. What's the story here?
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en102 @ 20th Mar 05:47PM:
Re: Comcast, the new AT&T
Sounds like the old AOL model for Internet... wait.. its history repeating itself, with 'portal' driven content and a proxied/restrictive Internet...only faster
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A P CC @ 20th Mar 05:50PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
said by espaeth :said by A P CC :
since WHEN does or can a private company dictate over how a gov't agency is run.
Did lobbying disappear while I was sleeping?
This is like the airlines or ALPA telling the FAA how we are going to 'skip" the rules until we get ready to fix a problem,and we can all see or have heard what SWA is going through when they "tried" to do this
the FCC need to also come down HARD on reguardless if its castrate,(ie comecast)dish, or dtv,
the FCC needs to come down fast & hard,or its going to loose what little authority it has now,
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Karl Bode @ 20th Mar 05:56PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
There were heavy rumors they were either bidding in the 700Mhz auction or preparing for a move to buy a wireless carrier (both untrue). Investors also tend to be only marginally bright, and they're all terrified of Verizon's press release to the home, even if Verizon only intends to build FiOS out to 40% of their network (which actually leaves cable ops in a pretty nice position)...
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Karl Bode @ 20th Mar 06:03PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
quote:
The ISP is supposed to connect the end-user to the Internet Cloud and charge for said transit. If the ISP decides to inspect your packets to ensure you're not violating the copyrights and distribution rights of his Cable TV or its media partners, then your right to privacy is infringed.
I see this as inevitable with the continued consolidation and our pay-to-play Congress. When you look at this statement and Verizon & AT&T's participation in the P4P project (which accelerates "legit" P2P while leaving "evil" P2P intact) it's inevitable that the entertainment industry gets what they want.
They've got more money and a louder bullhorn than you. They've already convinced much of the public that the desire for a content & device agnostic network is the mad ramblings of a bunch of cyber-hippies...
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funchords @ 20th Mar 06:03PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
said by RadioDoc :
One thing a responsible management in a regulated industry doesn't do is start taunting the head of the regulatory serpent without knowing what the tail is up to. The FCC has very real legal teeth and the ability to make life miserable via Congress.
Thank goodness that Comcast's management isn't responsible. Their antics are quite entertaining (and for free!!)! :D
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.
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Dragon Flyer @ 20th Mar 06:39PM:
Re: AT&T all over again
I have to say that I agree with what Gilitar has said. I'm tired of companies, government agencies and/or people in general telling me what I can or can't do. I really developed that attitude when my right to smoke cigarettes began to be taken away, and continues to be taken away place by place.
Yes I understand that smoking cigarettes might be dangerous to my health, but I still feel like I should be able to smoke. More precisely I should be able to smoke in an area just for smokers. That would allow people who smoke to enjoy what they want and at the same time non-smokers wouldn't be in the area.
Along that same line, in Ohio where I live, alcohol and tobacco products are taxed very highly and it's commonly referred to as the "sin tax". I've read the Bible and can't find any passage that says alcohol and/or tobacco are a sin. Taking away the right of American citizens, right by right kinda sounds like what Hitler did.
Sorry didn't mean to get off topic but this Comcast issue of squeezing back the download/upload speed of it's customers is just another example of the few controlling the many. I'm starting to wonder if and when RoadRunner will follow suit.
Mike
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espaeth @ 20th Mar 07:05PM:
Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing
That's a completely different situation.
In the case of SouthWest there were very specific safety regulations on the books that they violated and they solicited the help of their federal oversight officials to attempt to cover it up.
For Comcast, there is an open ended policy statement that describes the general theme for future broadband policy from the FCC. It's about as general as the "first, do no harm" mantra you hear in the medical profession, but more specific regulation was created so that the use of a scalpel for necessary medical procedures is allowed. (as on the surface, making incisions into the body could be perceived as "doing harm")
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TScheisskopf @ 20th Mar 07:25PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
I have an operating philosophy, or, if you will, an understanding of the relationship between business and society:
Sociopathy is The New Black. It is the fashion of the times in executive suites and boardrooms across the nation. Your actions, and their negative effect on the larger society they affect, mean nothing other than if they make money, or appear to try. Even if you tank the company or hell, even the economy, you will be richly rewarded. You can be The New Living Embodiment of Incompetance and run the company or country into the ground and the richest rewards will be yours on the way out the door.
It's a sociopath's masturbatory fantasy.
Now, they have turned their sensed lack of accountability, on any level, towards government. Why? Because they feel the time is right. The last 7+ years of moribund and gutted regulatory framework has taught them that they live and work in a Crowleyan/Randian Paradise where little or nothing is forbidden and there is no accountability for The Elite. Which is them. Just ask them.
They forget the lessons of history: the lay of the regulatory landscape is like a pendulum in nature. Push that pendulum real far, and it will swing just that far on its next oscillation. Push it on the way back, and it will go even farther. They seem to be ignoring the fact that already there are voices in the business community, in the markets...hell, even The Secretary of The Treasury, calling for new and tough regulations on business, markets and much more. It's a growing trend.
Gross irresponsibility will do that. Gross irresponsibility with a soucon' of sociopathy will really do that.
They sowed the wind. Now they are on the thin cusp of reaping the whirlwind. I will shed no tears for them.
I will, however, gleefully piss on their graves.
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funchords @ 20th Mar 08:01PM:
Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated."
said by Karl Bode :
They've already convinced much of the public that the desire for a content & device agnostic network is the mad ramblings of a bunch of cyber-hippies...
Yesterday
We made friendships here and far away,
Greed and power brought our judgment day,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Suddenly,
There weren't half the sites there used to be,
Deep Inspection hanging over me.
Oh, yesterday came suddenly!
Why'd they cut my flow?
Now it's slow. But they just say,
"You'll do something wrong!"
How I long for yesterday!
Yesterday,
We built networks for both work and play!
Then the bullies took it all away.
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
When they dimmed the dawn,
Progress gone! So now they say,
"Tune in, See what's on!"
How I long for yesterday!
Yesterday
Iron walls could not keep friends away,
World-wide networks gave each man a say,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
by Robb Topolski, a cyber-hippie. Inspired by and dedicated to Karl at DSLReports. Parody of McCartney lyrics to the Beatles hit Yesterday, which has several paradoxical links: including reflection, the 1960s, breaking-up, best (songs/inventions) of 20th century, etc.
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.
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jellybean @ 21st Mar 01:52AM:
It don't matter...
It won't matter what Comcast does or says,Big comapnys will do what they want as long as they get away with it a until enough people comaplain about it and someone gets threatened to not get re-elected! And then if the FCC DON"T have enough power to do anything, an new agency will be formed or a new branch and then so on and so long!. But nothing will become of the bigwigs...just a "Now you don't do that anymore you bad boy".
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Chaoswar @ 21st Mar 04:13AM:
Re: AT&T all over again -ot-
Sin tax has long since stopped being a means to adjust public behavior, but rather now are used to generate government revenue.
-the more money government takes in the more it find it needs-
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Mr Matt @ 21st Mar 07:49PM:
Corporate America gets what it pays for.
:( If an industry contributes as much money to our politicians campaign funds as the telecommunication industry does, that gives telecommunication corporations the right to tell a government agency to butt out or pound sand. Remember Corporate America has the best government money can buy.
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radam @ 22nd Mar 10:09AM:
Verizon competition target
Looks like Comcast needs a dose of Verizon FIOS competition. Cox's attitude changed quite a bit in Fairfax County now that Verizon is in town!
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flyingjoey @ 22nd Mar 08:41PM:
Re: Break'em Break'em!
hahahah kid u not.
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Dragon Flyer @ 23rd Mar 06:37AM:
Re: AT&T all over again -ot-
said by Chaoswar :
Sin tax has long since stopped being a means to adjust public behavior, but rather now are used to generate government revenue.
-the more money government takes in the more it find it needs-
How right you are! I wish the government guys would start paying me for their sins which are splashed across the TV and newspapers every day!
Mike
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anon @ 1st Apr 12:57PM:
Comcast Traffic
After reviewing the above posts, it appears that there are a millions solutions to the Comcast traffic problems.
Just think about this, Comcast could be compared to the GM of old, where their most famous statement was, "What' good for GM is good for the country", well we all know what happened to GM.
One post, which talks about a Virginia county where FIOS is installed and running, seems to be the start of Comcast's downfall, because no matter what their STUPID ads for internet service say, you can only fit 5 pounds of s__it into a 5 gallon pail!!!
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