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Cox: DOCSIS 3.0 Upgrades By Third Quarter
Albeit only 'in a limited fashion...' Probably Northern Virginia...
06:37PM Wednesday Jun 25 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: Fiber · competition · business · bandwidth · cable · Cox HSI
While Comcast continues their plan to have 20% of their network upgraded with 50Mbps pre-cert DOCSIS 3.0 speeds by the end of this year, most cable operators won't be seriously upgrading until late 2009 or later. Cox CTO Chris Bowick says that Cox will be upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0 "in a limited fashion" by the third quarter of this year, though he isn't specifying where or in precisely what volume. Bowick says Cox will launch the speeds in "very strategic markets that require those kinds of speeds." That's of course code for anywhere Cox faces FiOS competition (their Northern Virginia markets are the most likely location).

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ARGONAUT @ 25th Jun 06:41PM:
Cox DOCSIS Cox DOCSIS Cox DOCSIS

50Mbps How much$
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funchords @ 25th Jun 06:54PM:
Falls Church, VA

Remember, you heard it here, first!
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jchambers28 @ 25th Jun 06:58PM:
Re: Falls Church, VA

not very cheap ether
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Austinloop @ 25th Jun 07:26PM:
Re: Cox DOCSIS Cox DOCSIS Cox DOCSIS

If this is to be done by the 3rd quarter, they have less than a week. Are we sure that it is this year???
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Dogfather @ 25th Jun 07:34PM:
Thank Verizon

For without Verizon, these cable operators would still be sitting on their hands.
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jmoz2989 @ 25th Jun 07:43PM:
Rhode Island

RI will probably be one of the first markets to get the upgrade.
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sirghost @ 25th Jun 08:02PM:
Re: Cox DOCSIS Cox DOCSIS Cox DOCSIS

3rd quarter could mean by the end of the third quarter which is still not until September. Of course I seriously doubt they can even pull it off in any one area in that length of time.
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anon @ 25th Jun 11:38PM:
Re: Thank Verizon

Verizon is a terrible HSI and Television provider. FiOS is a terrible technology and it is clearly showing its age quickly. FiOS was great when it launched but since then, the speeds have started to slow. If it wasn't for Cable MSOs and their contractual obligations to cities and/or counties plus added government regulation, then there would be no competition to telephony providers such as Verizon. Cable MSOs are the reason companies such as Verizon had to clean up their game and install FiOS.

Remember that silly tax by ISPs to gain revenue to build FTTH for all users? Instead Verizon pocketed the money and built a less reliable and proprietary technology.

Thats all I have to say...
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robertfl @ 25th Jun 08:36PM:
Who gives a shit?

This will only be in verizon areas anyway.. who cares!

The rest of us get shitted on thanks to this crap in the first place with slow speeds and high prices.

Thanks, Cox you really do care, don't you?

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dvd536 @ 25th Jun 09:22PM:
Re: Who gives a shit?

said by robertfl :

This will only be in verizon areas anyway.. who cares!

The rest of us get shitted on thanks to this crap in the first place with slow speeds and high prices.

Thanks, Cox you really do care, don't you?
Cox really DOES care[about the fios areas], fuck us in "havenot" areas
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needforspeed59 @ 25th Jun 10:26PM:
Re: Thank Verizon

Let me re-phrase that; without cable, Verizon would be sitting on their hands. Competition breeds competition in both directions.
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Dogfather @ 25th Jun 10:28PM:
Re: Thank Verizon

Hardly.
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needforspeed59 @ 25th Jun 11:03PM:
Re: Thank Verizon

What I meant is, I think cable was beating DSL's pants off, so Verizon does to the mats with FIOS causing cable to fight back with DOCSIS 3.0. It works both ways. Do you think Verizon would be investing billions in fiber if cable wasn't competing? There would be no motivation.
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Rick @ 25th Jun 11:13PM:
My Guess is this..

Cox is playing this very close to the vest.

I don't believe for a single minute that they don't intend on a wide scale docsis 3.0 rollout to happen..very soon.

While that's pure speculation on my part..I base it on their past history. They've been a very progressive cable operator..generous with their tiers and programs..and always right up there staying current on what's happening in the marketplace.

I think they're watching comcast now and saying.."we want that too". And realize it's going to give them a powerful tool to compete in the next generation market place.

Some people are forgetting or choosing to ignore the simple fact that these cable co's HAVE the fiber optic networks in place. And, they have a very effective last mile network in the form of their coaxial networks. What is limiting that for next generation speeds is only one thing. Docsis 3.0 technology. And that is a helluva lot cheaper to roll out than any ftth network that verizon hopes to complete one day.

Some will say but FTTH is "better". Isn't "better" dependent on a lot of other things though? Such as who can do it..first..and less expensive? Who can appeal to the wider audience in terms of packages and price?
And who has actually been in the tv business a lot longer and already knows the ups and downs of it?

You know..McDonalds doesn't necessarily have the "better" hamburger. But they sure as he** are the dominant player in the industry. Because of availability..and cost.
And because for many..what they offer is "good enough".

The challenges Verizon has are many. First..to even be able to get their product to people. Some have it..lots more don't. Second..to do it in a time frame where people even see it as worth having anymore. What if Cox and Comcast and TW customers are all sailing along at 50 to 100Mb speeds by the time fios ever arrives for someone. Will they even care about fios? And..because verizon had to spend so much to get it there..will the cost ever even be competitive?

I doubt that any Verizon executive see's anything about fios as being a sure bet. They see it as something they had to do. Because the alternative was probably death.

And, I'm not knocking them. Except for the fact they started so late. A decade late in fact compared to some when it comes to residential fiber. I respect the technology as being good. And, perhaps even better than a fiber/coaxial network. I have to say perhaps though..because so much more is a part of this outside of the technology itself.
Rambus memory was "better" than DDR.
Tell me..what is in YOUR computer today?

DDR.

DDR won because they became Mcdonalds first in the memory industry. And did it DESPITE intels support..which was with rambus.

There is a huge story there..and lesson to be understood.
About business and technology.

IMO..this game is the cable co's to lose.
And, I don't think that Cox intends on losing..anymore than comcast does.

Cox will roll out the docsis 3.0 networks soon.

Very...Very soon.
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lvlorpheus @ 25th Jun 11:38PM:
Re: My Guess is this..

You left out one thing I think. Could you refresh me on the caps on Fios and cox. I am not sure but that could play into who become McDonalds.
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NetAdmin @ 25th Jun 11:46PM:
Re: My Guess is this..

said by Rick :

Rambus memory was "better" than DDR.
Tell me..what is in YOUR computer today?

DDR.

DDR won because they became Mcdonalds first in the memory industry. And did it DESPITE intels support..which was with rambus.
You left the part out about how the DDR manufacturers were caught price fixing DDR memory and how that price fixing may have played a role in RDRAM's current status.
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Jigsaw @ 26th Jun 01:44AM:
Re: My Guess is this..

Old article Save people the 2 clicks to google :)
»www.businessweek.com/technology/···4385.htm


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CCNnorthcali @ 26th Jun 01:50AM:
Re: Thank Verizon

Most would not agree with you based on reviews here at DSLR. :)
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anon @ 26th Jun 05:36AM:
3

bottom line is cox will not be able to compete with fios
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wierdo @ 26th Jun 07:43AM:
Re: My Guess is this..

said by Rick :

Except for the fact they started so late. A decade late in fact compared to some when it comes to residential fiber.
IMO, Verizon started at quite a reasonable time. PON had finally been standardized, obviating the need for electronics in the field. Equipment costs had come down to where reasonable speed could be offered for a reasonable cost.

Had they rolled out FTTH ten years ago, they would have been in the same place SBC was in Richardson, TX. Giving people shitty service with active electronics. If you're going to do that, you might as well do DSL. Unless they intended to spend more than would be reasonable on an overlay, they would have been offering people 1.5/128 service instead of 6/768.

Granted, many DSL users are still stuck with 1.5/128 or worse, but most (at least in cities) can get 3/384 or better. DSL wasn't a bad thing for its time. And cable wasn't very much faster (or faster at all in many places) until the last few years. AT&T is the one who needs to pull their head out of their ass and get with the program.
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Dogfather @ 26th Jun 08:10AM:
Re: Thank Verizon

It depends on what you consider beating DSL's pants.

In terms of new ads, DSL's cheap prices and slower speeds, smoked cable's higher prices and faster speeds.

Billions in video revenues is a good motivation to deploy fiber and telcos couldn't do any video without rebuilding their network.
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Dogfather @ 26th Jun 08:12AM:
Re: Thank Verizon

LOL. Yeah, FiOS sucks...that's why I now get 50/20 service that cable has no hope of offering.

Verizon just uppped their tiers to 10/2, 20/5, 20/20 and 50/20. They're getting FASTER, not slower.

They're kicking cable's ass and DSLR reviews here have both U-Verse and FiOS smoking cable.
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bogey780 @ 26th Jun 11:42PM:
Re: My Guess is this..

Not to mention under realworld tests RAMBUS wasn't worth the price difference.
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