Latest Consumer Reports Survey Not Kind To AT&T - Company ranked dead last for wireless satisfaction in 19 of 24 cities
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Latest Consumer Reports Survey Not Kind To AT&T
Company ranked dead last for wireless satisfaction in 19 of 24 cities
(old news - 06:34PM Tuesday Dec 01 2009)
tags: legal · business · wireless
Tipped by MMH
Straight off of AT&T and Verizon's multi-week network quality snark fest, Consumer Reports has issued their latest survey of wireless carriers and phones, and it probably won't make AT&T particularly happy. The survey itself is available to subscribers only, but we can tell you that the findings generally mirror other recent surveys of the wireless sector -- namely putting Verizon at the top in terms of customer satisfaction, while placing AT&T at the bottom.

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The firm polled 50,000 readers across 26 different U.S. cities, and found that AT&T ranked dead last in customer satisfaction in 19 of those cities. AT&T has been receiving considerable grief for a network that was unprepared to handle iPhone traffic in large markets like New York and San Francisco; the findings suggest that AT&T's problems are not isolated to those markets.

Verizon meanwhile took the top spot in the majority of markets surveyed, and has been cleaning up in such surveys for much of 2009. AT&T, on the other hand, has traditionally ranked at the tail end of such surveys. You can take your pick of last place AT&T showings, be the survey from Consumer Reports, JD Power & Associates (see the latest customer care, retail sales and call quality surveys), or the American Consumer Satisfaction Index.

Such findings are at apparent odds with AT&T claims that they offer the best customer "experience", and how CEO Randall Stephenson sees his company's performance. Stephenson consistently crows how AT&T has the lowest customer defection rate in the industry -- citing network performance as the reason (not the allure of the iPhone, long term contracts, or early termination fees). In response to the latest Consumer Reports study, AT&T tells the Wall Street Journal blog the findings are "anecdotal," again citing the company's low customer churn rate.

A handful of complaints can perhaps be called anecdotal. AT&T ranking last in most major customer satisfaction studies throughout 2009 is reasonably more scientific. The use of churn rate as a meaningful customer satisfaction metric should be tested next summer when AT&T is expected to lose their exclusive iPhone distribution agreement with Apple.

In terms of the industry as a whole, the Consumer Reports study found that overall, customers are increasingly satisfied with wireless service. That's not as exciting as it sounds -- wireless carriers have traditionally ranked among the worst across any industry, and now they're closer to the median, says Consumer Reports. High prices are still a complaint among many consumers, but users cite better connectivity and fewer annoyances like stealth extensions of long term contracts after service changes -- a practice the wireless industry stopped out of fear of pending federal regulation.

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Murdoc @ 1st Dec 05:49PM:
Survey says att sucks

Not suprising, considering that guy that sold out to att to chuck them pieces of paper all over for that tv advertisement. Bet no one will hire him for a movie :p
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Turbocpe @ 1st Dec 05:52PM:
Lame AT&T Commercials

AT&T's latest commercials, which have been in direct response to Verizon's commercials against AT&T, has been weak. The guy "collecting" postcards from places AT&T provides coverage (many cases, just Edge) is boring and just side skirts the issue that AT&T doesn't have the same 3G coverage that Verizon does. Sure, some people with Edge are satisfied, just as some people with 56K dial-up may have been satisfied.
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La Luna @ 1st Dec 05:54PM:
I don't know.....

..... AT&T gives me the best coverage, including in my home where all other carriers fail. I don't care about "iPhone", I don't use one; I just want my cell to work and it does.

*shrug*
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MRCUR @ 1st Dec 05:58PM:
Is anyone surprised?

I'm certainly not. Like I've said before, my issue with AT&T isn't their low 3G coverage - there's 3G where I need it. My issue is the 3G network is just crap. I just got a Bold 9700 (coming from a 3GS) and it jumps around like crazy. Five bars of 3G one second, five bars of EDGE the next. Top that off with calls ALWAYS dropping down to the slowest of slow: GPRS.

I continue to complain on AT&T and one of their reps always calls to discuss my concerns with the network. Every time I'm left with "well, the 3G coverage just isn't that strong in your area." What do I say to that? Gee, thanks. Maybe your coverage map should represent that???
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KrK @ 1st Dec 05:59PM:
AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

... for telling the truth.

"It's not fair." says CEO Randall Stephenson. "They are just publishing Verizon propaganda."

:D
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JoeIac @ 1st Dec 06:10PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

Hahahahahahaha
The sad sad sad part of your post is that I wouldn't put it past them. :uhh:

Despite the fact that all consumer reports is publishing is the results of a survey they conducted, which uses the opinions of 50,000 people to decide where carriers stand, and to no ones surprise, Verizon came out on top again.

I understand that Verizon has their weaknesses, but this is more evidence that supports the belief that despite their shortcomings, and despite the fact that in some of the country, people will always argue that AT&T is superior, overall Verizon is doing better.

But it all boils down to the simple fact that people need to use the carrier that works best for them. That's really all their is to it.
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MMH @ 1st Dec 06:14PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

I'm not surprised. Two friends of mine just switched from AT&T to Verizon in the last week, cutting a total of 5 family lines over to Verizon. And NONE of them were iPhone users. And they aren't even data users - just voice services. The reason - they kept dropping calls, especially while on the move in their cars.

And my brother & his wife want to switch too, but haven't yet because the sister-in-law is an iPhone fanatic. If the iPhone ever becomes available elsewhere, especially Verizon, then AT&T is history.

While these are just a couple of anecdotal stories that AT&T denigrates, I think it shows they have a very serious problem if they can't keep iPhone exclusivity and a somewhat serious problem even if they do.
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sykocus @ 1st Dec 06:15PM:
typical

Evidently ATT's claim of a "better 3g 'exerperiance'" doesn't include customer service.
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chronoss2009 @ 1st Dec 06:22PM:
dont worry new Verizon ToS is tryng to catch ATnT

dont worry new Verizon ToS is tryng to catch ATnT
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morbo @ 1st Dec 06:38PM:
Re: Lame AT&T Commercials

Agreed--however, Joe Consumer doesn't know the difference between what AT&T is saying and what Verizon is saying. All they remember is whatever the latest commercial told them.
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Matt @ 1st Dec 06:49PM:
Kudos to Verizon

I loved being able to take my usual trip to Tennessee and have 3G the whole way. Slacker radio steamed on the entire 7 hour trip without a single hiccup and having Google Navigation on my Droid was killer. It was totally worth paying AT&T's ETF to be rid of them.
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itguy05 @ 1st Dec 06:58PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

You sure it's not your phone? I'm all over S. Central PA and have no issues with AT&T. It works fine, 3G and all. I've only seen GPRS a few times going out Rt. 78 and it was never for long.

And to the article's author - AT&T was reducing churn long before the iPhone came out.
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itguy05 @ 1st Dec 07:01PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

quote:
And my brother & his wife want to switch too, but haven't yet because the sister-in-law is an iPhone fanatic. If the iPhone ever becomes available elsewhere, especially Verizon, then AT&T is history


Highly doubful. AT&T was #1 for years before the iPhone. Churn was going down before the iPhone.

I have both and Verizon is overhyped. Good brainwashing, yes, cell service - average. And no I'm not a CR subscriber.
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en102 @ 1st Dec 07:05PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

AT&T has gone even below that of... Sprint :D
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en102 @ 1st Dec 07:07PM:
Re: Lame AT&T Commercials

Baahh...bahhh.
Many consumers are a little sheepish. Follow the herd into iPhone... complaints R us, and believe what the commercials will tell them.

I've got some nice post lower ward property / ocean view to sell in NOLA :p
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itguy05 @ 1st Dec 07:08PM:
Re: I don't know.....

said by La Luna :

..... AT&T gives me the best coverage, including in my home where all other carriers fail. I don't care about "iPhone", I don't use one; I just want my cell to work and it does.
Amen! We take a yearly trip to Warwick for apple picking. Wile on the NOTwork (Verizon) I could never get decent service at the orchard or many places along the way. With AT&T it's great service all around there.

I've compared both and both have their strengths and weaknesses and from my experience AT&T works better than Verizon where I am.
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Turbocpe @ 1st Dec 07:09PM:
Re: Lame AT&T Commercials

Based on AT&T trying to stop Verizon from airing their commercials on the basis they felt it was misleading as if it was stating AT&T didn't have any coverage in areas, and now AT&T running commercials to indicate their wide (mostly Edge) coverage, it's clear that is what AT&T sees the average consumer as despite that was clearly not the case with Verizon's ads.

Still, in my opinion, AT&T's commercials completely lack any creativity and are simply boring and lame. I'm no Verizon fanboy, I gave AT&T the chance, and they didn't deliver my world.
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en102 @ 1st Dec 07:10PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

Apple won't care for exclusivity... it just wants $$$
Whether $$$ comes from AT&T paying them off, or from another carrier.

I use AT&T here because it works (for me), and I don't have an iPhone. Work discounts don't hurt either. It would be either Sprint or AT&T (both give emp discounts to me). Sprint has fixed its network recently, but has only LG/Sanyo/Samsung devices, and no SIMs.
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Rob2647 @ 1st Dec 07:10PM:
Commercials

AT&T's commercials only talk about the area they cover with voice service. Verizon was talking about their lack of 3G coverage. So someone missed the point over at AT&T. And with these 2 companies bickering like a married couple, why bother with either of them.
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Gbcue @ 1st Dec 07:13PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by Murdoc :

Not suprising, considering that guy that sold out to att to chuck them pieces of paper all over for that tv advertisement. Bet no one will hire him for a movie :p
Not surprised that AT&T is the last.
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en102 @ 1st Dec 07:14PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

LOL - This actually gives VZW ammo for another commerical.
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Gbcue @ 1st Dec 07:15PM:
T-Mobile

Gotta' love them! Light years ahead of AT&T.
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KrK @ 1st Dec 07:18PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

Yeah, but you can't use Consumer Reports in your commercials. They forbid it, it's part of their mission to stay neutral. (IE you can't claim they are biased since Corp XYZ paid them $$$ to use such report 1234 in an Ad or magazine, etc)
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Rob2647 @ 1st Dec 07:19PM:
Re: T-Mobile

Maybe in CA, around here, they are far behind.
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thender @ 1st Dec 07:23PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

I am, considering google maps always works fast and flawlessly on my touchcreen blackberry 9530 storm touch phone on the robust AT&T 3G & EDGE network.
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MRCUR @ 1st Dec 07:24PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

Definitely not the phone - my original Bold 9000 did the exact same thing, iPhone 3G and 3GS had issues too (mostly dropped calls with them).

I just spoke with an AT&T rep actually and she's having engineering look into it. It seems my house sits right on the line (literally) between the 3G and 2G coverage on my road.
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anon @ 1st Dec 08:26PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

considering the Storm is a Verizon exclusive I'm calling BS on your ATT Storm ni EDGE
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Bob61571 @ 1st Dec 07:42PM:
Re: T-Mobile

T-Mobile is a bit player in the rural Midwest. They have huge coverage gaps.
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DarnellP @ 1st Dec 07:49PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

said by en102 :

Apple won't care for exclusivity... it just wants $$$
Whether $$$ comes from AT&T paying them off, or from another carrier.

I use AT&T here because it works (for me), and I don't have an iPhone. Work discounts don't hurt either. It would be either Sprint or AT&T (both give emp discounts to me). Sprint has fixed its network recently, but has only LG/Sanyo/Samsung devices, and no SIMs.
Not true. They have RIM Blackberry, HTC, Palm and Motorola devices also.
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ifarrell @ 1st Dec 08:02PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

They can't quote them directly but they can say "according to a top consumer magazine....".
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KrK @ 1st Dec 08:43PM:
AT&T Deathstar

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxMd93aCvd0

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Selenia @ 1st Dec 08:45PM:
Satisfied as with any carrier

The reason I have not defected from AT&T is despite some periods of data network issues, no other carrier has near their coverage in my area. Not even Verizon Wireless(2nd place). T-Mobile, oddly enough has the best coverage within my city, but are terrible in other parts of the county, but they probably are 3rd here. I never did test Sprint due to horror stories locally from people I know and the closing of so many sprint stores around here. Virgin mobile is dead last. They hardly have 2 bars half the time in my city, and can't even be used in most of the smaller towns outside my city, even worse than T-Mobile in that regard.

Lesson learned? You have to choose a carrier for how it performs in your area. Not a satisfaction survey. I am, however, considering going to Verizon Wireless as it seems possible for me to get decent EVDO service with a mobile antenna and possibly a repeater in my home. I may make that investment to fill in the low areas of VZW's signal so I can move on to 3G from home =)
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grydlok @ 1st Dec 09:05PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

I second the that
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thender @ 1st Dec 09:22PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by anon2020 :

considering the Storm is a Verizon exclusive I'm calling BS on your ATT Storm ni EDGE
a) storm can be unlocked

b) anyone who follows gbcue's posts knows why I posted that. :)
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BOGBS @ 1st Dec 09:32PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

said by MRCUR

It seems my house sits right on the line (literally) between the 3G and 2G coverage on my road.
Have you considered forcing your 9700 into 2G only when you're in fringe 3G areas, such as your home? This is a crappy workaround, but might help if you use your phone a lot at home. I'm assuming that the 9700 has an option to do this, as the AT&T 9000 did, post AT&T 4.6.0.297 (or with other carrier OS's/tweak)
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QLR @ 1st Dec 09:40PM:
Use what works best for you...

... and for me, it is Verizon Wireless. Despite AT&T having a cellular band and VZW only a PCS band (at the time), VZW has a better call quality at my home and in the rural places I travel. AT&T has so so quality varying from good to lousy all within minutes. Most of the AT&T users I know live in a neighboring county or are smartphone users.

I am just glad I have a decent service despite the high prices... glad I have a small discount.
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Simba7 @ 1st Dec 09:41PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

..and you don't know anything about CDMA and GSM Technologies. They are NOT interchangable.

EDIT: Unless you have a "World Phone" that has both CDMA and GSM Radios in it. I haven't seen very many of them lately.
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Simba7 @ 1st Dec 09:49PM:
Re: T-Mobile

I hear that. We have a few Peeks (they were $5/piece at Target) and I can't even get a signal.
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thender @ 1st Dec 09:51PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by Simba7 :

..and you don't know anything about CDMA and GSM Technologies. They are NOT interchangable.

EDIT: Unless you have a "World Phone" that has both CDMA and GSM Radios in it. I haven't seen very many of them lately.
You're telling me I don't know anything about CDMA and GSM technologies but you're the one who doesn't know that the storm is a world phone?

GTFO!!!!!!
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kirk1233 @ 1st Dec 10:02PM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

It could be blackberry software version. I had the same issue with my BB 9000 until I installed a non-sanctioned version of the BlackBerry software which ended up fixing this for the most part and providing better battery life...
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Heated Man @ 1st Dec 10:10PM:
HAHAHAHA

Glad to see these losers get what they deserve. I hate them! ATT sucks. Eat crap!
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Jim Gurd @ 1st Dec 10:25PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

said by KrK :

Yeah, but you can't use Consumer Reports in your commercials. They forbid it,
Exactly how do they do this? As long as it's truthful information they have no power to stop companies from using their name.
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KrK @ 1st Dec 10:29PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

I'd imagine they'd claim their reports and surveys are copyright and can't be used without permission. Which they won't grant. And their name(s) are registered trademarks.

From : »www.consumerreports.org/cro/abou···hod=auto

quote:
Published information from Consumers Union, including our Ratings and Reports, is intended solely for the benefit of our subscribers and other consumers, in order to help them make informed choices and decisions about consumer products, services, and other consumer matters. Such information may not be used by others in advertising or to promote a company’s product or service. In addition, this policy precludes any commercial use of any of Consumers Union’s published information in any form, or of the names of Consumers Union®, Consumer Reports®, or any other of Consumers Union’s publications or services, without our express written permission.

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Simba7 @ 1st Dec 10:38PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by thender :

You're telling me I don't know anything about CDMA and GSM technologies but you're the one who doesn't know that the storm is a world phone?

GTFO!!!!!!
Wow.. Someone actually sells a true World Phone still. That's freakin' amazing.. I thought they quit doing that a few years back. I guess the only exception is certain Blackberries.

Excuse the fsck out of me. I might actually look into getting a Storm2, especially if I can stick *ANY* SIM card in it.
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thender @ 1st Dec 10:41PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

It is a god awful phone. :( The storm 1 at least. I sincerely doubt from what I read and see that the storm 2 falls far from the failtree.
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JammerMan79 @ 1st Dec 10:44PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

consumer reports is a trademark
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Jim Gurd @ 1st Dec 10:52PM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

said by KrK :

I'd imagine they'd claim their reports and surveys are copyright and can't be used without permission. Which they won't grant. And their name(s) are registered trademarks.

From : »www.consumerreports.org/cro/abou···hod=auto

quote:
Published information from Consumers Union, including our Ratings and Reports, is intended solely for the benefit of our subscribers and other consumers, in order to help them make informed choices and decisions about consumer products, services, and other consumer matters. Such information may not be used by others in advertising or to promote a company’s product or service. In addition, this policy precludes any commercial use of any of Consumers Union’s published information in any form, or of the names of Consumers Union®, Consumer Reports®, or any other of Consumers Union’s publications or services, without our express written permission.

I don't think that would stand up in court. Besides couldn't a company that got a bad rating do the same thing to them? Consumer Reports is making a profit selling their magazine so they can't claim they are non commercial.
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FastiBook @ 1st Dec 11:14PM:
You know it's funny....

I have had zero issues till about a week ago, now my calls are dropping, i get 5 bars of 3G but no service, but overall i am quite satisfied & these issues only happen on the train.

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MyDogHsFleas @ 1st Dec 11:38PM:
The difference isn't that great

to warrant the "not kind", "dead last", "tail end", etc. verbiage.

The difference between Verizon and AT&T is in the 10% range. Not twice as good. Not 50% better. 10% better.

All wireless services suck to some extent in some ways. National surveys aren't very helpful.

People should choose based on what works for them where they want to use it. I was a diehard Sprint customer until I moved across town and there was zero bars in my new house. Went with AT&T and didn't look back. Excellent coverage here in Austin.

And when traveling through West Texas, there's always coverage, even when there's no gas stations for 100 miles on the way to El Paso on I-10 ... not 3G but you don't need that to make a call now do you?
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timburke @ 1st Dec 11:48PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

At least AT&T are better than T-Mobile...

... but they still suck.
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Mike_ @ 2nd Dec 12:25AM:
Re: The difference isn't that great

I agree "mydoghsfleas". Here in South Florida, at&t is the top choice with 3g coverage. Never had issues with calls, texts, or internet. Sprint and VZ are also very good. It truly depends on where you live and the routes you take to determine the best choice.

Consumer reports has always been dead wrong on their so called "reviews" on just about everything. Vehicle after vehicle I've had and family members have had were always ranked terrible on consumer reports yet no one has ever had issues other than the normal battery replacement or routine maintenance. Even printers, computers, and tvs. People who live by/follow consumer reports really need to reconsider how they value life and the things in it. Make your own judgments and come to your own conclusions - stop letting a crooked magazine that magically surveys random people who aren't necessarily telling the truth do it for you.
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nixen @ 2nd Dec 01:13AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by Simba7 :

..and you don't know anything about CDMA and GSM Technologies. They are NOT interchangable.

EDIT: Unless you have a "World Phone" that has both CDMA and GSM Radios in it. I haven't seen very many of them lately.
The Storm is a "World Phone". It's the only reason why, as a VZW customer, I bought a Storm in the first place. I had to travel to Europe, for work, but work's wireless agreements were with VZW.
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nixen @ 2nd Dec 01:14AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by thender :

It is a god awful phone. :( The storm 1 at least. I sincerely doubt from what I read and see that the storm 2 falls far from the failtree.
Unfortunately, the Gen 1 Droid is not a "world phone". :p
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Xioden @ 2nd Dec 02:19AM:
Re: I don't know.....

That's from them taking over Cellularone in the area a couple years ago, Cellone had *gasp* built new towers in Florida and Warwick to actually give their customers better coverage. Still real shoddy coverage between Goshen and Florida, it's pretty much a guarenteed dropped call.
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TamaraB @ 2nd Dec 03:44AM:
Re: I don't know.....

said by itguy05 :

We take a yearly trip to Warwick for apple picking. Wile on the NOTwork (Verizon) I could never get decent service at the orchard or many places along the way. With AT&T it's great service all around there.
That's interesting. Is that Warwick NY? I visit a friend there, and have "No Service" from AT&T. My friend's cell, VZ has 5 bars. I have to switch to her WIFI to use my iPhone there. I have driven around the area, and sometimes get 1 shaky bar.

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anon @ 2nd Dec 08:06AM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

Here's what you say -- "fine, please remove my bill."

At least AT&T has been helping me with that. They admit my area has "degraded towers" and that numerous people in my area have complained about bad connectivity (for me, it's regularly no access to even voice calls/texts -- and I live in the city yet). So for the past for or five months I have been calling in monthly, explaining the problems and getting the bill removed. It is like pulling teeth, talking to multiple operators, but it's the least they can do considering the fact the system, even for voice calls, has performed so poorly.

It has gotten to the point that I just signed up for US Cellular. They are giving me a TouchPro2 for free and the data plan is only 25 dollars extra + 40 for the plan. If I can make a phone call from here in Chicago without problems, it will be well worth it.

Believe me, I wanted to love AT&T and stay -- but I can no longer deal with this.
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anon @ 2nd Dec 08:07AM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

Um, no. Apple definitely should care that AT&T's poor service is hurting the reputation of the iPhone and Apple itself! A large number of people resent the fact Apple has kept this exclusivity deal going for so long with such a company. Bad, bad karma!
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itguy05 @ 2nd Dec 07:11AM:
Re: I don't know.....

Yes it is. We go to Maskers, up off the Thruway, through Tuxedo and over to Warwick. The phone works fine.
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anon @ 2nd Dec 07:40AM:
To be fair...

Although I can't stand the Death Star, to be fair, I've found their coverage in Atlanta to be reliable (that's to be expected since Atlanta is the former home of both Cingular and BellSouth).

Their customer "service," on the other hand, is just abysmal, and it's the reason why I'll drop them like a bad habit when and if I can get an iPhone on a different provider...
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atuarre @ 2nd Dec 08:23AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

Actually, the storm can be made to work on AT&T's network, but it's a pain in the ass to do. Only EDGE is available on the Storm/Storm2. 3G speeds are not available in the US on GSM but are available internationally on those carriers GSM networks. 3G speeds are available in the US on CDMA. The user might be using the storm/storm2 with ATT's slower EDGE service but he is not getting 3G speeds. The Blackberry Storm/Storm2 has a CDMA and GSM radio.
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underthehood @ 2nd Dec 08:47AM:
at&t and CR

Let's not forget that this is from a magazine that while they say they are non-biased can be ANYTHING further from the truth. Ever wonder why in so many appliance reviews Kenmore always beats the SAME Whirlpool? Because one of the top people at CR is a former Sears head. Lets also not forget this is a mag that endorses a vehicle brand that has had more safety related recalls, crashes and deaths than ANY other brand...................Toyota. That is NOT an opinion btw its a fact. Look it up. But CR thinks they walk on water. Lets not forget how they trashed Audi for a VERY similar issue than the latest Toyota issue. Did Audi deserve the criticism? You BET. Does Toyota? You BET! Does Toyota get trashed by CR? No!
CR SUCKS and the people are ANYTHING but non-biased.
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optemino @ 2nd Dec 08:58AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

you kidding me?! ... T-Mobile EDGE had BETTER SPEED on my old phone than my AT&T iPhone has ever had while on their EDGE network.... t-mo edge is actually A LOT more stable
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spewak @ 2nd Dec 09:24AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by thender :

It is a god awful phone. :( The storm 1 at least. I sincerely doubt from what I read and see that the storm 2 falls far from the failtree.
Correction: shouldn't that be EPICFAILTREE!
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Madness @ 2nd Dec 09:24AM:
Re: Lame AT&T Commercials

Luke Wilson tossing the postcards all over the map. I really cracked up on that one. The TRUE AT&T once had a bell on the left!
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MrMaster @ 2nd Dec 09:26AM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

said by itguy05 :

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And my brother & his wife want to switch too, but haven't yet because the sister-in-law is an iPhone fanatic. If the iPhone ever becomes available elsewhere, especially Verizon, then AT&T is history


Highly doubful. AT&T was #1 for years before the iPhone. Churn was going down before the iPhone.

I have both and Verizon is overhyped. Good brainwashing, yes, cell service - average. And no I'm not a CR subscriber.
They were #1 in what? customers? That was for maybe 1 -2 yrs only. With the iphone exclusive hopefully going away the network should actually improve. Less stress on it because people are going to other networks for the iphone.

I'm with AT&T only because most people I know are with them and it saves me money. I'm glad to finally have 3G but as 1 poster already mentioned, it is very erratic.
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MrMaster @ 2nd Dec 09:28AM:
Re: Is anyone surprised?

said by Spektor :

Here's what you say -- "fine, please remove my bill."

At least AT&T has been helping me with that. They admit my area has "degraded towers" and that numerous people in my area have complained about bad connectivity (for me, it's regularly no access to even voice calls/texts -- and I live in the city yet). So for the past for or five months I have been calling in monthly, explaining the problems and getting the bill removed. It is like pulling teeth, talking to multiple operators, but it's the least they can do considering the fact the system, even for voice calls, has performed so poorly.

It has gotten to the point that I just signed up for US Cellular. They are giving me a TouchPro2 for free and the data plan is only 25 dollars extra + 40 for the plan. If I can make a phone call from here in Chicago without problems, it will be well worth it.

Believe me, I wanted to love AT&T and stay -- but I can no longer deal with this.
US Cellular is based in Chicago. They always have great reception there. Why would you waste your time calling every month about poor reception? Just switch.
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Waldothe3rd @ 2nd Dec 10:24AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

Consumer Reports FTW. They stated what we all knew...
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KrK @ 2nd Dec 10:26AM:
Re: AT&T Prepares to Sue Consumer Reports...

Actually, it's Consumer Reports.org I believe (A non profit.)

Also, it does stand up in court. Companies have stopped trying. It's been years since I heard of a lawsuit where Consumer Reports has had to force someone to stop using their name or trademark in advertising.

Consumer Reports also has been sued by manufacturers that don't like the negative reviews. They win, or rarely, they settle, every now and then they make a mistake but it's few and far between.
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Morac @ 2nd Dec 10:35AM:
Depends on the area

AT&T works great at my home and my office, yet if I go to my parents house less than an hour away I barely get a signal.

Also AT&T's signals seem to have a hard time penetrating buildings with a lot of metal in them. There's a metal building that I go to that's a dead zone for AT&T, but Verizon works fine there.
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Tomek @ 2nd Dec 11:03AM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

said by nixen :

said by thender :

It is a god awful phone. :( The storm 1 at least. I sincerely doubt from what I read and see that the storm 2 falls far from the failtree.
Unfortunately, the Gen 1 Droid is not a "world phone". :p
Waiting for Moto Milestone to be released with TMO compatible 3G
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Selenia @ 2nd Dec 11:25AM:
Re: The difference isn't that great

I agree. CR is almost always wrong. The majority of vehicles I had with reliability rated excellent from them were the biggest crap cans I owned. Yet, many rated poor have gone 200k+ for me without a hitch. Audio components are rated on features and whether they are one of CR's favorite brands, not sound quality as it should be. Tell me how a Denon or Marantz reciever/amplifier(with transistor or tube amps instead of lousy chip-based amps) ranks below a bottom-of-the-line Sony or Technics. Blah! I can certainly hear the difference. Must be deaf people on their testing board. Do not even get me started on them always top-ranking HP, Dell, and Gateway, even over some expensive Alienware models in the past =( As a computer repair tech before I got into engineering, I can literally say that Dell(and Gateway for that matter) are the biggest pieces of practically made-in-China OEM dookie on the planet(or close to it). Even emachine used to be much better built than Dell, though they seem to have declined in recent years.

Anyways, my point I think has been proven. Did I mention CR sucks?
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Selenia @ 2nd Dec 11:57AM:
Re: Depends on the area

said by Morac :

AT&T works great at my home and my office, yet if I go to my parents house less than an hour away I barely get a signal.

Also AT&T's signals seem to have a hard time penetrating buildings with a lot of metal in them. There's a metal building that I go to that's a dead zone for AT&T, but Verizon works fine there.
1 of 2 things...either the VZW tower is very close to that metal building, making the building's attenuation less than the signal strength. Other possibility is VZW is using the 850 MHz CDMA band while ATT is using 1900 MHz GSM or 2100 MHz(which they sometimes use for UMTS, which you didn't happen to mention whether it was a UMTS area). That would greatly depend on area which bands are used by which carrier. In another area, VZW may be using the 1850 MHz CDMA band while AT&T is using the 850 MHz GSM band. Sometimes, it's all on the terrain and where there is available spectrum for another provider. I mention this because in some areas, you'll probably observe the opposite, as to building penetration. AT&T uses alot of 1900MHz here in the small city of Pittsfield, with some 850 in outlying areas of the county. They seem to have enough towers here though to get away with 1900.
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Morac @ 2nd Dec 12:06PM:
Re: Depends on the area

said by Selenia :

said by Morac :

AT&T works great at my home and my office, yet if I go to my parents house less than an hour away I barely get a signal.

Also AT&T's signals seem to have a hard time penetrating buildings with a lot of metal in them. There's a metal building that I go to that's a dead zone for AT&T, but Verizon works fine there.
1 of 2 things...either the VZW tower is very close to that metal building, making the building's attenuation less than the signal strength. Other possibility is VZW is using the 850 MHz CDMA band while ATT is using 1900 MHz GSM or 2100 MHz(which they sometimes use for UMTS, which you didn't happen to mention whether it was a UMTS area). That would greatly depend on area which bands are used by which carrier. In another area, VZW may be using the 1850 MHz CDMA band while AT&T is using the 850 MHz GSM band. Sometimes, it's all on the terrain and where there is available spectrum for another provider. I mention this because in some areas, you'll probably observe the opposite, as to building penetration. AT&T uses alot of 1900MHz here in the small city of Pittsfield, with some 850 in outlying areas of the county. They seem to have enough towers here though to get away with 1900.
I don't know the frequency (not sure how I could figure that out), but I can't get either a 3G or Edge signal.

According to this map both 850 and 1900 are in my area. My phone supports either so I don't know which one it would pick.
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RARPSL @ 2nd Dec 01:14PM:
Re: Lame AT&T Commercials

said by Turbocpe :

AT&T's latest commercials, which have been in direct response to Verizon's commercials against AT&T, has been weak. The guy "collecting" postcards from places AT&T provides coverage (many cases, just Edge) is boring and just side skirts the issue that AT&T doesn't have the same 3G coverage that Verizon does. Sure, some people with Edge are satisfied, just as some people with 56K dial-up may have been satisfied.
WHAT type of coverage? They do not say in the Ad. They IMPLY that they are talking about 3G coverage but I get the impression they are using VOICE (or as you suggest EDGE) coverage as their measurement tool. At least the Verizon Ads STATE they are talking about 3G coverage (with the mention in the explanation bar on the maps, that EDGE coverage may be available in areas not covered by 3G).
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axiomatic @ 2nd Dec 02:03PM:
Ducks that suck

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must suck AT&T. Better duck?!?!
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xenophon @ 2nd Dec 02:41PM:
Re: Survey says att sucks

And Sprint proudly proclaims.... 'We Suck Less!! Finally!'

Actually, I think Sprint sucks less than Verizon now when it comes to pricing/policy. Since Sprint roams on Verizon, coverage seems to be moot as well.
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smueller @ 2nd Dec 03:16PM:
death to "uncle twice removed, Bell"!!

Back before SBC became the 'new' at&t ... and even in the first few years of the 'new' at&t ... the Federal Trade Commission, and the Interstate Commerce Commission did studies of national wireless coverage. The results were so one sidedly favouring a single carrier, that the reports have been kept secret. US Taxpayers can't even see what they found!!

Rumour has it, at&t was on top, then... but now we have the 'new' at&t and iPhones.
So ... somehow the 'new' at&t has squandered this in a little under three years? Dog gone! How do you do that? Must be some flippin' pathetic mismanagement running the day to day operations, and managing the company as a whole.

I admit, I'm still very jaded, being a former at&t employee.
They won't get another red cent from me! at&t can eat my shorts!
I'd even hand deliver them to headquarters in Dallas, with some mayonnaise and a clean, wrapped plastic spork!

I think all these years of US customers paying into the USF (Universal Service Fund), we deserve better than the piles of excrement we get! All the carriers suck somehow ... except for Sprint, who blows. Eh ... it's all perspective. One end sucks, the other blows.

Since the Spanish-American War, Americans have paid a tax that goes into the USF ... yet what has it gotten US? I DO NOT support using these funds for other purposes, as the Congress has attempted to do, a handful of times. I think it should go back into our national infrastructure, specifically for telecommunications and public access (schools and libraries).
Perhaps a nice petition?? Oh yeah ... Death to at&t!
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jay_rm @ 2nd Dec 04:14PM:
Big Wireless Providers...

...you suck, they suck, everyone sucks - all of them.

I've had them all - now I use a MVNO that parasites on VZW's network, doesn't have contracts, charges reasonable rates and, most of all is NOT ATT (gag) !
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JerryTimes @ 2nd Dec 06:59PM:
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I'm surprised by this. I live just outside of Detoit, I've had ATT (Ameritech, Cingular) and I've liked their service. I'm not saying that I've never had an issue, but I actually recommend their service.
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linicx @ 3rd Dec 05:04AM:
Customer Defection Rate?

Hmmmm I have friends who are state employees who hate AT&T and can't get rid of it because of long term contracts the state has with Mother Bell. If the states and their emplyees defected - I do not know any that use AT&T privately - what would that say about customer service. One thing I do know for sure is Verizon works a lot better in rural areas where Verizon towers are than AT&T does. It's all about the bottom line.
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puffgussy36 @ 3rd Dec 02:06PM:
Same devils, different names.

"In terms of the industry as a whole, the Consumer Reports study found that overall, customers are increasingly satisfied with wireless service. That's not as exciting as it sounds -- wireless carriers have traditionally ranked among the worst across any industry"

The ALL suck. They all need to admit that, bust out the 4G and stop nickel and diming us for technology that is just getting cheaper for them (their PMs are insanely high). I'm an AT&T customer. I'm waiting for the mass defections once the eclusive rights to the iPhone are gone. Then I can call up, threaten to quit and have them hand me their first born.
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chuckkk @ 5th Dec 09:04PM:
AT&T

I recently dropped AT&T in favor of T mobile
Why?
AT&T was charging for service that they failed to deliver.
I was a long term (over ten years) customer if you include the earlier names on the same door--Southern Bell, Cingular, then AT&T)
AT&T tried to kill portions of my services multiple times, even though I was paying for them, or they were grandfathered services.
This included such things as tethering, automatic switching to analog when digital service was not available, and automatic switching to "roaming" when AT&T network services were not available or were down.
Then, they wanted me to start a new contract, in order to replace the phones that they were required to provide service for under the grandfather clauses. (Which they claimed was necessary to provide the services that I had been paying for, and were not provided.)

I ended up buying "Google" phones outright, and using them on AT&T until I was able to get SIM cards for them from T Mobile.
The phones are totally unlocked, and I have full control of what operating system version is used, as well as what applications are loaded into them. No Contract with T-Mobile.
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