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Chiyo @ 23rd Apr 10:03AM:
They have been running out of modems!
yeah its expensive, according to my source they've been running out of modems frequently.
I just can't deal a 150 a month inet bill not including taxes!
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jgkolt @ 23rd Apr 10:04AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
whats the upstream
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Matt @ 23rd Apr 10:04AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by jgkolt :
whats the upstream
5Mbps.
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jgkolt @ 23rd Apr 10:06AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
ha what a joke. I know 5mbps up is higher than what i have now but proportionally thats a joke. I wonder if the speeds will fluctuate as bad as my time warner did. 15mbps line what would commonly go below 2mbps.
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swhitney2003 @ 23rd Apr 10:10AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
Agreed. I would take 5/5 for same price I pay now, maybe a little more.
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anon @ 23rd Apr 10:10AM:
Lucky
You Guys so lucky, u can get offers of those speeds, and here in my country i'd be happy for atleast 768Kbps, would be better than paying 35$/month for a crappy 256kbps/64kbps(with a 4GB/4GB download/upload cap) connection :huh:
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jgkolt @ 23rd Apr 10:15AM:
Re: Lucky
where are you at? My internet is $35 a month for 6 down 1 up.
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MightyPez @ 23rd Apr 10:20AM:
Not just 3.0 seeing a benefit
I noticed after these upgrades in my area (Saint Paul) my DOCSIS 2.0 equipment saw improved speeds. Notably, my upload speed went from 384kbit to a bit above 768kbit. Double that when speed boost hits.
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nasadude @ 23rd Apr 10:20AM:
[sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
the good ole U S of A is getting there - we're almost at the speeds of the world broadband leaders and it's only 5x the cost!
just think, in another 5 years or so, we'll be able to pay $250 for 100M/100M, just like they have now in Japan for $40.
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blauter78 @ 23rd Apr 10:24AM:
hmmmm.
I have 30/5 now with Cablevision for like 40-45 dollars. This just doesnt seem worth it until the uploads go up.
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trekologer @ 23rd Apr 10:29AM:
The interesting part of the picture...
...is that the box on the top is a DirecTV receiver, not a Comcast digital cable receiver.
My guess is that the TV service is so Comcastic! that the user who took the picture switched providers.
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NewMariner @ 23rd Apr 10:34AM:
OverKill
50Mbps is overkill...no way anyone will max that speed out in a residential setting, business yes, but not residential. The people getting this service are compensating for something else...just so they can gloat.
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tmc8080 @ 23rd Apr 10:36AM:
LAME wan ports..
When a 100mbit wan port isn't 100mbit... lol
Try dlink gaming router or smc's gigabit wan port routers..
they work pretty well.. I wouldn't touch linksys/cisco networking with a 20 foot pole these days.. such poor Q/C coming out of china with their products.
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cornelius785 @ 23rd Apr 10:43AM:
Re: LAME wan ports..
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tshirt @ 23rd Apr 11:05AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by swhitney2003 :
Agreed. I would take 5/5 for same price I pay now, maybe a little more.
This is not an attack on swhitney2003,Just an observation on a common group of comments posted here)
Why is it that people think they should get the choice of higher speeds and can set the price at or below (in Mbps) what they now pay?
Frequently posted in between upgrade cycles:
"I would pay/do anything for more speed/more upload/etc."
frequently posted when a new tier is offered:
" It costs too much" "it's not enough upload" "They should give me twice as much, for half the price" {ok, the last one is paraphrased) Strangely (or not)these comments frequently come for the same people
If you understand how cable technology works(actually everything but dedicated line service faces this limitation), you know it will always offer an unbalanced DN/UP ratio, and the price will be set by the relative cost to provide the service vs market demand.
They current tier pricing is what it is because {1 it is above the cost of providing the service (we call that return on investment/profit) and {2 the majority of potential customers (or at least enough to provide {1 at the current scale) are willing to pay that much (even if they whine about it)
a smaller percentage of customers will pay a premium price, for a premium service.
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Luker3 @ 23rd Apr 11:08AM:
Re: OverKill
"No way anyone will max that speed out in a residential setting"
Heard it before. Will hear it again and again. Besides the internet is for pron. :D
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jchambers28 @ 23rd Apr 11:20AM:
150 bucks
that's way out of line for internet and o thought 57.95 was high
I will never pay that much
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jgkolt @ 23rd Apr 11:22AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
we know the upload/download speed will not be the same for cable BUT the ratio doesn't need to be as bad between the two.
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Matt @ 23rd Apr 11:24AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
tshirt,
The fact of the matter is, most companies do not want to provide more upload for a couple of reasons:
1) Technical limitations: Time Warner Business Class would not provide you more than 5Mbps upstream, on a pristine line, on their current DOCSIS 1.1 technology. Even if the technology allowed for it, they moved you to fiber.
2) Business Class defections: Companies don't want to provide you with higher upstream speeds. They'd rather have you upgrade to the pricier, usually with a contract, business class tier. FiOS seems to be the exception here.
There is an obvious shift in the way people are using their internet connections at home that no one but FiOS seems to get. These trends start with the geeks who frequent sites like this, then filter down. Just like in any other industry. We realize we're at the limit of what additional downstream can do. Most people here are extremely happy with 10Mbps-15Mbps of downstream, but they want to see more upstream to do things like Slingbox their movies and music, share video and lots of pictures with their family; and yes, a percentage want to be warez kiddies and pirate movies.
I have a 15/2 connection and it has afforded me the opportunity to work form home. 2Mbps is BARELY adequate when I have to reload a server and remotely mount an ISO CD image, but it works. A 10/10 connection would be absolutely wonderful and 100/100 would make me wet my pants.
There is a paradigm shift happening and DOCSIS 3.0 isn't going to be the long term solution the Cable Companies hope, which is why they aren't jumping all over it and are taking a "wait and see" approach.
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gomer1701ems @ 23rd Apr 11:31AM:
Re: Not just 3.0 seeing a benefit
I tried resetting the modem half a dozen times, yet I'm still on the 768 upload. ???
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Rob @ 23rd Apr 11:35AM:
$100/mo.
I believe Triple Player customers in those areas can get 50/5 for $100/mo. Call and ask.
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tshirt @ 23rd Apr 12:01PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by Matt :
tshirt,
The fact of the matter is, most companies do not want to provide more upload for a couple of reasons:
1) Technical limitations: ... they moved you to fiber.
Exactly, dedicated line (fiber is one type)is more appropriate for balanced service, and at least until very recently (FIOS is notable here)been price accordingly.
Shared line like cable HSI is unbalanced, and they could offer you 5/5 or 10/10, but then need to be able to PROFITABLE sell the other 95% of the downstream to pay for the plant.
said by Matt :
2) Business Class defections: ........I have a 15/2 connection and it has afforded me the opportunity to work form home. 2Mbps is BARELY adequate when I have to reload a server and remotely mount an ISO CD image, but it works.
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correct, you just described yourself as someone who formerly (and maybe still should) would have had a business class connection, but instead chose the cheaper, highend residental service apparently willing to live with the limitations.
said by Matt :
A 10/10 connection would be absolutely wonderful and 100/100 would make me wet my pants..
They don't want to be responsible for workplace 'accidents' ;)
said by Matt :
There is a paradigm shift happening and DOCSIS 3.0 isn't going to be the long term solution the Cable Companies hope, which is why they aren't jumping all over it and are taking a "wait and see" approach.
It is a major investment/commitment, those waiting by the sidelines want to see if the business model/pricing ComCast has set, sells, pays the costs.
The fear is
{1 some apps may kill there profit/repayment of the capital costs (as VoIP is doing to phone companies)
[2 some other technology (wireless,powerline, FTTx) can build out faster, and undercut/match the price, which will dilute their return schedule.
The risk is waiting too long and creating the window for the other technology to develop.
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BLUNTED 1 @ 23rd Apr 12:11PM:
Re: $100/mo.
What does Fios charge for 50/20 in the area's that have Comcast 50/5 ?
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Rob @ 23rd Apr 12:16PM:
Re: $100/mo.
said by BLUNTED 1 :
What does Fios charge for 50/20 in the area's that have Comcast 50/5 ?
Isn't it like $140/mo. ? It may have come down.
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BLUNTED 1 @ 23rd Apr 12:23PM:
Re: $100/mo.
I don't know about those area's but in NY the 50/20 is $90 a month
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hopeflicker @ 23rd Apr 12:25PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by tshirt :said by swhitney2003 :
Agreed. I would take 5/5 for same price I pay now, maybe a little more.
They current tier pricing is what it is because {1 it is above the cost of providing the service (we call that return on investment/profit)
If that's the case then Verizon must but losing money big time. :uhh:
I call greed on this one.
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majortom1029 @ 23rd Apr 12:29PM:
also
This is expensive considering for $60 dollars you can get 38/5 with cablevision which also allows you to open up web and email server ports and host those servers.
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anon @ 23rd Apr 12:34PM:
FIOS 20/5 for $42.99
We have 20/5 service at $42.99, includes triple play discount.
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Joe12345678 @ 23rd Apr 12:46PM:
What is the download cap?
What is the download cap?
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mod_wastrel @ 23rd Apr 01:11PM:
$150 for 50/5?
I have 30/5 FiOS for $55 (at the moment, though I expect it to go up to $60 any month now) and my highest sustained speed is around 55, though 41-42 is more typical; my highest peak speed was around 95. Just a little perspective. (I wonder if they still get PowerBoost up to double the 50 they're capped at.)
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espaeth @ 23rd Apr 01:16PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by hopeflicker :said by tshirt :
They current tier pricing is what it is because {1 it is above the cost of providing the service (we call that return on investment/profit)
If that's the case then Verizon must but losing money big time. :uhh:
I call greed on this one.
Verizon is losing money on FiOS right now. Just a couple months ago were showing only a 16% adoption rate on the service, which isn't nearly good enough to justify the rollout expense.
The driver behind footing the expense was being able to get into the video services market, not providing higher upload speeds. HSI alone wouldn't deliver any kind of reasonable ROI for Verizon.
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tshirt @ 23rd Apr 01:22PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
Verizon sells a number of different Internet services, but I'm assuming you're comparing current FIOS prices to this comcast offering.
without looking at their books, and weighting the longterm costs and benefits of each of these different technologies but both aiming to capture a share of the lucrative triple play+ market it's not possible to access their cost/profit ratio
Judging how investor have treated Verizon stock, I'd say there is a feeling that their current service prices are far too low, however they are still trying for higher market share/penetration rates.
No one can really say what the longterm charges will be.
Corporations don't have GREED, they balance demand vs supply to achive the highest possible return for their investors.
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axus @ 23rd Apr 01:29PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
It's a limitation of the cable network, really. That's why they're so pissy about people running BitTorrent in the first place.
It'd be nice if the pricing for upload and download were independent. Say, charge $15 for every 1Mbit of upload, and $3 for every 2Mbit of download. That way grandma could get 2/1 for $18, I could get 10/5 for $90, and Danny Downloader could get 50/5 for $150.
But there's many more grandmas than downloaders, and Comcast makes their best margins on them. In a more competitive market, I think we'd see cheaper average services, but top end wouldn't be much cheaper.
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anon @ 23rd Apr 03:13PM:
Re: $100/mo.
Well Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't not have Verzion we have wonderful Qwest (crap) so 50/5 for 150 is the fastest game in town at the moment, as much as I hate Comcast i would sign up and just use up as much as possible to see how fast i got booted. A few 100 Gb would take you less than a day, O that would be lovely.
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BLUNTED 1 @ 23rd Apr 01:33PM:
Re: also
Its not 38/5 its 30/5 and has no download cap so if there is extra bandwidth you could hit a little more and the most anyone hits is just under 34 mb with OOL.
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MrMoody @ 23rd Apr 01:36PM:
$150 is cheap
Heck, that's only two tanks of gas.
:P
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MrMoody @ 23rd Apr 01:43PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
I'd buy it like that, but you'll never see it for the same reasons you'll never see a la carte TV: they don't want you to be able to avoid paying for what you don't use.
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jazzy_ @ 23rd Apr 01:44PM:
spensive
ouch 150, I'm paying ~50 a month for 16/2 but I receive 40/2 for some reason. Couldn't imagine paying that much for the increase unless I absolutely needed the extra upload.
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votum76 @ 23rd Apr 01:54PM:
Wow what a rip-off
I have OOL and I pay about $60 for 30/5 and I usaully get those speeds, I'd never pay $90 for a extra 20Mbps I use P2P I have multiple users sharing the connection and I still rarely use the top level of download. the 5 up I max out all the time however, if it was like 50/50 then maybe it's be worth it. Comcast is horrible i used to have them with a 8/768k line that performed at about 4/500
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BLUNTED 1 @ 23rd Apr 01:54PM:
Re: spensive
Anyone have it here that can post some speed tests to show what it can do.
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mod_wastrel @ 23rd Apr 02:14PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
If they're anything like me, then those who could "adopt" Verizon's FiOS TV (or triple play) don't do so solely because they just KNOW Verizon's going to screw-up their monthly bill once they move off of having just FiOS (or any single service). Once Verizon shows me they have the billing for their bundles straightened out, then I'll jump all over their TV product (though I doubt I'll ever use their phone service again, unless it's effectively free, as in, 3 for the price of 2).
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espaeth @ 23rd Apr 02:26PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by MrMoody :
I'd buy it like that, but you'll never see it for the same reasons you'll never see a la carte TV: they don't want you to be able to avoid paying for what you don't use.
The reason you won't see individual channel subscription services has a lot more to do with the content providers. More channels = more airtime to sell to advertisers.
It's the content providers who are coming up with ridiculous contracts, like making MSOs and sat operators pay 200% more for Nickelodeon if they don't agree to carry Nick GAS (Games and Sports) as well.
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majortom1029 @ 23rd Apr 02:46PM:
Re: also
IT is technically 38/5 because the download cap was removed. Its advertised as 30/5. But in reality if the node isnt overloaded you could hit 38 .
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majortom1029 @ 23rd Apr 02:54PM:
Re: LAME wan ports..
thats why you get a zyxel zywall 35 which can be a firewall and router and can handle the speeds.
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moko @ 23rd Apr 03:08PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
if corporations are run by humans....than theere will always be greed in it....thats when they "don't" balance supply and demand
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jimbo48 @ 23rd Apr 03:19PM:
Comcast in the SF Bay
Comcast is offering the unheard of price of 42.95 a month for Cable HSI (that's a max 6.0/384)in the East Bay. all this talk of out of this world speeds up and down is a total wonder to the technology under-served in my geography. I blame it on a lot of politics, corporate greed and just plain old capitalism . Charge the most you can for the lowest level of deliverable. Milk the price point till it runs dry.
verizon-FIOS Don't make me laugh!! no presence/nowhere to be found
AT&T? their best offer is 29.95 (up to 1.5/384) for DSL through Yayhoo(, not even Uverse is on the horizon. This offer is so appealing. To think that they actually matched what I could get 6 years ago for the same price from Earthlink-NOT
I can get COVAD 1.5/1.5 for about 200/month but that's a big if!!
My current half-starved DSL line through Covad/Earthlink is dying a slow death as both COVAD and Earthlink struggle to stay viable and CO line conditions keep going from bad to worse. Sad to think that I'm within 30 miles of Silicon Valley and yet the offerings for Internet are pitiful.
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NormanS @ 23rd Apr 03:32PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
Corporations are, essentially, amoral. Neither greed, nor altruism are a part of their essence. A corporation is just an organized mob. Do some research on "mob psychology". People in groups (mobs, or corporations) are capable of doing things that they would not do individually.
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NormanS @ 23rd Apr 03:41PM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
said by nasadude :
just think, in another 5 years or so, we'll be able to pay $250 for 100M/100M, just like they have now in Japan for $40.
I see 50M Asymmetic DSL for $43.66US...
»bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/adsl/index.html
Shows:
下り最大50.5Mbps 上り最大12.5Mbps
下 is 'shita', means, "down"...
上 is 'ue', means, "up"...
Where do you see 100 Mbps symmetric for just $40?
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NormanS @ 23rd Apr 03:47PM:
Re: Comcast in the SF Bay
said by jimbo48 :
AT&T? their best offer is 29.95 (up to 1.5/384) for DSL through Yayhoo
Yahoo! has zip-all to do with DSL. AT&T Internet Services provides the IP connection to the Internet. All that Yahoo! does is provide the mail servers, PWPs, and some of the other Internet goodies (online picture storage through Flikr) that people like to use.
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joebarnhart @ 23rd Apr 03:58PM:
Smaller ISPs lead the way
Paxio has offered 100/100 and even 1000/1000 for a long time now. Their offerings are limited to the S.F. Bay Area (so far), but they are way less expensive than $150 for 50/5. Their price for 100/100 is less than $100/mo. And it's real...
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anon @ 23rd Apr 04:01PM:
Canada is cap city
Too bad we can't get an uncapped service like that here in Canada. Also a service with no caps and unthrottled with no traffic shaping would also be nice. Dedicated lines also seem to cost a lot more in Canada than in America. I wonder how that could be?
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rawgerz @ 23rd Apr 04:55PM:
Re: Smaller ISPs lead the way
The botnet guys would love to have a few of those subscribers infected :uhh:
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DaBears57 @ 23rd Apr 05:01PM:
Re: Smaller ISPs lead the way
said by joebarnhart :Paxio has offered 100/100 and even 1000/1000 for a long time now. Their offerings are limited to the S.F. Bay Area (so far), but they are way less expensive than $150 for 50/5. Their price for 100/100 is less than $100/mo. And it's real...
Just curious, what do you use your connection for, business or home?
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RARPSL @ 23rd Apr 05:06PM:
Re: also
said by majortom1029 :
IT is technically 38/5 because the download cap was removed. Its advertised as 30/5. But in reality if the node isnt overloaded you could hit 38 .
The up speed has just been raised to 5.5 from its old 5.0 (you have to reboot your modem to get the new settings file loaded to your modem). The down speed setting in that file has been set to 0 (ie: Uncapped) for a while.
BTW: The uncapped up speed on a DOCSIS 2.0 connection is 27Mbs so there is some throttling on that side at 5.5 (and lots more with other DOCSIS 2.0 ISPs but that is an unfair comparison since they also cap the down link unlike CV). CV can increase the up speed while still capping and sharing.
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CMoore2004 @ 23rd Apr 05:52PM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
Japan's pop density = 337/KM
USA pop density = 31/KM
Do you really think you're comparing something similar?
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majortom1029 @ 23rd Apr 07:12PM:
Re: also
The uncapped speed of docsis 2.0 is 37 not 27. The spec says its 42 down but after you take into effect the hadrware and everything it works out to be 38. i am pretty sure 27 might be for docsis 1.1.
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BinaryXtreme @ 23rd Apr 08:39PM:
Modem Pic
I think I have nearly the exact same modem. Thing smokes! :D
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BLUNTED 1 @ 23rd Apr 09:26PM:
Re: also
Maybe if you happen to be the only person with Boost it can happen but I never seen that high
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RARPSL @ 24th Apr 12:47AM:
Re: also
said by majortom1029 :
The uncapped speed of docsis 2.0 is 37 not 27. The spec says its 42 down but after you take into effect the hadrware and everything it works out to be 38. i am pretty sure 27 might be for docsis 1.1.
I am talking about the Up Speed not the Down Speed. Up Speed limit is 30.72 (27) Mbit/s.
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dvd536 @ 24th Apr 01:47AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by axus :
It's a limitation of the cable network, really. That's why they're so pissy about people running BitTorrent in the first place.
Its not all about BT, its about protecting lucrative biz packages.
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dvd536 @ 24th Apr 01:51AM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
said by NormanS :said by nasadude :
just think, in another 5 years or so, we'll be able to pay $250 for 100M/100M, just like they have now in Japan for $40.
I see 50M Asymmetic DSL for $43.66US...
»
bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/adsl/index.htmlShows:
下り最大50.5Mbps 上り最大12.5Mbps
下 is 'shita', means, "down"...
上 is 'ue', means, "up"...
Where do you see 100 Mbps symmetric for just $40?
South korea has that for like $14USD/mo
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dvd536 @ 24th Apr 01:52AM:
Re: Smaller ISPs lead the way
said by rawgerz :
The botnet guys would love to have a few of those subscribers infected :uhh:
I bet those IPs arent routable.
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dvd536 @ 24th Apr 01:53AM:
Re: Modem Pic
said by BinaryXtreme :
I think I have nearly the exact same modem. Thing smokes! :D
Acoustic modem. I had one of those in the 70s.
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hopeflicker @ 24th Apr 01:58AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by dvd536 :said by axus :
It's a limitation of the cable network, really. That's why they're so pissy about people running BitTorrent in the first place.
Its not all about BT, its about protecting
their over priced and lucrative biz packages.
i fix4U :D
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espaeth @ 24th Apr 02:54AM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
said by dvd536 :
South korea has that for like $14USD/mo
Then move to South Korea.
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Warez_Zealot @ 24th Apr 09:00AM:
Re: Smaller ISPs lead the way
said by joebarnhart :Paxio has offered 100/100 and even 1000/1000 for a long time now. Their offerings are limited to the S.F. Bay Area (so far), but they are way less expensive than $150 for 50/5. Their price for 100/100 is less than $100/mo. And it's real...
Wow, for some reason I was reminded of Ian Pooley's song "Bay of Plenty".. Plenty of bandwidth that is. :D
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jimbo48 @ 24th Apr 10:00AM:
Re: Comcast in the SF Bay
I stand corrected- Yahoo doesn't have anything to do with AT&T internet services.
Quoted fropm AT&T WEB presence
AT&T High Speed Internet provided by AT&T Internet Services with customized content, services, and applications from Yahoo! Inc. Yahoo!, the Yahoo! logos and other product and service names are the trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Yahoo! Inc. ©2008 AT&T Intellectual Property. All rights reserved. AT&T, AT&T logo and all other marks contained herein are trademarks of AT&T Intellectual Property and/or AT&T affiliated companies.
Okay physical link is AT&T but Yahoo is definitly associated with AT&T HSI. :p
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NormanS @ 24th Apr 12:11PM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
I showed you Japan, you show me Korea. I just love it when people throw out anecdotal "facts"...
Both Japan and Korea have higher population densities than the U.S. Japan packs half the population of the U.S. in a little under the same area as California. Probably 80% of the population lives in either the Kansai, or Kanto region; about the same distance apart as San Francisoc and Los Angeles. The U.S. has to string far more fiber and copper per person that either Japan, or Korea to get comparable coverage. But the cost of fiber,or copper, is per linear foot (or, maybe, per pound, in bulk), not per person served. So it costs the same to wire (fiber?) the same geographical area; but the U.S. has fewer people per sq. mi. (or km., if you prefer) to subscribe the same cost. So the cost per subscriber will be higher in the U.S.
Korea is even smaller, geographically, than Japan.
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NormanS @ 24th Apr 12:20PM:
Re: Comcast in the SF Bay
said by jimbo48 :
Okay physical link is AT&T but Yahoo is definitly associated with AT&T HSI. :p
That is all I was trying to say. Yahoo! has nothing to do with DSL, it only delivers content. You don't "get DSL through Yahoo!", you get "Yahoo! through AT&T DSL".
P.S. AT&T is not the only DSL partner Yahoo! has:
»bt.yahoo.com/
»bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/
»verizon.yahoo.com/
»xtra.yahoo.com/
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anon @ 24th Apr 03:38PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
Why is it that people think they should get the choice of higher speeds and can set the price at or below (in Mbps) what they now pay?
In most cases, it is because they feel that they are being overcharged to begin with.
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djrobx @ 25th Apr 12:03AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by justaguy :
Why is it that people think they should get the choice of higher speeds and can set the price at or below (in Mbps) what they now pay?
In most cases, it is because they feel that they are being overcharged to begin with.
Or, they're aware of other companies giving away better deals. I'm happy with my 10/1 connection from Time Warner, but I have to admit it does irk me that select areas of Los Angeles get 15/2 for the same price I'm paying.
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punker @ 25th Apr 12:32PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by djrobx :said by justaguy :
Why is it that people think they should get the choice of higher speeds and can set the price at or below (in Mbps) what they now pay?
In most cases, it is because they feel that they are being overcharged to begin with.
Or, they're aware of other companies giving away better deals. I'm happy with my 10/1 connection from Time Warner, but I have to admit it does irk me that select areas of Los Angeles get 15/2 for the same price I'm paying.
me want faster upload
i rather my download be 1mbps and my upload 10mbps
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GHirsch516 @ 26th Apr 10:44PM:
Re: $150 for 50/5?
i have 50/20 fios right now. paying $95 a mo.
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CoxCable4 @ 26th Apr 11:25PM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
I tried that once, but it didn't work cuz all the servers were in japanese. overseas speeds weren't much better then what I have now.
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Alcohol @ 27th Apr 11:40AM:
Re: Canada is cap city
I'd rather take an uncapped 20mbit than a comcrap throttled 100mbit.
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NormanS @ 27th Apr 01:08PM:
Re: [sarcasm]EXCELLENT![/sarcasm]
said by CoxCable4 :
I tried that once, but it didn't work cuz all the servers were in japanese. overseas speeds weren't much better then what I have now.
I find it difficult to believe that any South Korean servers will serve content in Japanese. Or did you even bother trying to learn the local language?
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anon @ 7th May 07:36AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by tshirt :said by swhitney2003 :
Why is it that people think they should get the choice of higher speeds and can set the price at or below (in Mbps) what they now pay?
You really need to check out this article about how we are far behind other parts of the industrialized world for high speed / broadband access...it is enlightening
Less than $40 per month for 100Mbps... if I was wealthy I would invest, light up some dark fiber and capture up to 40% of the broadband market here in the U.S. from the Cable and Telcos who now control over 90% of the broadband market here.
How much money would 40% of their market bring in to me at $40 per month. Each and every month, cash flow is King! Better than Auto Insurance most likely.
I could even offer Cable TV; ON Demand; High definition diagnostics for hospitals and doctors; and many other products and services; talk about services at home...wow.
And if you consider that one strand of fiber can be multiplied x 1024 with the right technology, heck I think X 1024 is now two or more years old.
You want 100/100, no problem we have plenty of bandwidth and thanks to technology we aren't going to run out any time soon! Gotta love Fiber! Enough rambling, check out the article:
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···larticle
In case the article is pulled, here are some highlights below:
Keep in mind these are 'Median' download speeds, some are higher and some are lower:
Japan: 61 Mbps
S. Korea: 46 Mbps
Finland: 21 Mbps
Sweden: 18 Mbps
Canada: 8 Mbps
U.S: 2 Mbps
The next graph stated that, "The United States has fallen far behind other industrialized nations in high-speed interactive service..."
Broadband subscribers in industrialized nations: (Per 100 inhabitants in 2005)
S. Korea: 24.9
Canada: 17.6
Switzerland: 17.0
Sweden: 15.1
Norway: 15.0
Israel: 14.3
Japan: 14.1
Finland: 12.8
U.S.: 11.4
France: 11.2
Britain: 10.3
"In 2000, the Japanese government seized its advantage in wire. In sharp contrast to the Bush administration over the same time period...In short order, broadband exploded."
"Even DSL service in Japan is much faster (than the U.S.) 10 to 20 times"
The next figure had the following with it: "Monthly rates in Japan for fiber-optic connections are often lower than for slower connections in the U.S.: (Monthly price and download speed in megabits per second)
Japan
Fiber: $36.58 / 100 Mbps (NTT West)
$39.22 / 100 Mbps (Yahoo BB)
Cable: $98.20 / 30 Mbps (J-Com)
Washington metropolitan area:
Fiber: $39.99 / 5 Mbps (Verizon)
DSL: $29.99 / 3 Mbps (Verizon)
Cable: $52.95 / 8 Mbps (Comcast)
$41.99 / 5 Mbps (Cox)
Sources were circa 2006 and are listed.
Interesting quotes:
"The experience of the last seven years shows that sometimes you need a strong federal regulatory framework to ensure that competition happens in a way that is constructive" - Vinton G. Cerf, a VP at Google.
"Once you have very high speeds, I guarantee that people will figure out things to do with it that they haven't done before." - Vinton G. Cerf.
"Masayoshi Son, head of a company called Softbank, offered broadband that was much cheaper than and more than six times as fast as NTT's. He added marketing razzmatazz to the mix, dispatching young people to street corners to give away modems that would connect users to a service called Yahoo BB (The U.S.-based Yahoo owns about a third of it.) The company's share of the DSL business in Japan has exploded in the past five years, from zero to 37 percent."
Again I ask, any millionaires want to light up some 'dark' fiber run the last mile to some concentrated areas and take up to 40% of the U.S. market in about a year....think about those numbers, somebody would be even richer! Wish I had the money I would definitely go for it! Imagine having 100 Mbps for $30 - $40 per month. The company would take the market by storm! Makes me sick to think are corporations are selling us "technologically" down the river to much of the industrialized world.
What would 30 - 40% of the cable market be worth at $40 per month per user? (Each and every month...probably better than Auto Insurance as far as cash flow!)
"The growing addiction to speed, ironically, is returning near-monopoly power in fiber to NTT, which owns and control most new fiber lines to homes."
"Growth of new fiber connections exceeded DSL growth two years ago. Fiber is how all of Japan will soon be connected -- for phones, television and nearly all other services."
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scoopy03 @ 9th May 02:00PM:
Re: Smaller ISPs lead the way
i would love to have that here...... the prices are really reasonable. $245 for sym 1000mb/1000mb is probably more than enough speed
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mberlant @ 18th Jun 05:21PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
You're philosophy is right, but your numbers are out of date.
I live in Japan and enjoy FTTH. Currently, $60 is the going rate from all ISPs for 100Mbps/100Mbps fiber service. That is the onward rate following "new customer" discounts. These discounts, which vary from ISP to ISP, all include waiver of the $130 construction/installation fee and either the first two or three months free or a discounted price for the first 6 or 12 months. In my case, I chose an ISP that offered $40 each month for the first year.
It is also interesting to note that this is residential service. The same fiber drop can be configured either for commercial service ($400 for 1Gbps/1Gbps) or "mansion" service, where a 1G fiber drop is demuxed into 100MBps copper for distribution into small apartment houses.
ADSL service is still readily available within about 4km of any NTT CO. Service runs about $25 for 8Mbps/1Mbps service. Downstream speeds can be had, subject to distance constraints, up to 40Mbps, with the same 1Mbps upstream speed. Slower speeds are available for slightly less money.
When the installer finished his work, I observed on his laptop that my home was passing 86Mbps in each direction. As I am too cheap to replace my routers with faster ones, I simply run two Linksys routers (30Mbps throughput, each) in parallel.
As lamapper said, NTT enjoys virtual monopoly control of FTTH drops (and copper DSL drops, as well), and this is good for consumers. For all ISPs except YahooBB, NTT retains control of the drop, the CPE modem and the DSLAM. You may pay for your drop in a bundled bill from your ISP, but NTT retains "control" of this piece.
What that means to the consumer is that you can switch ISPs (or add a second ISP for diversity) without incurring a new installation charge or suffering any downtime. Your new ISP simply gives you a new PPPoE user name and password, which includes @NewISPname in the user name, and the connection routes through the DSLAM to the ISP's access router. No muss, no fuss.
Except for political wrangling, and the intransigence of the entrenched operators, it's hard to comprehend why the US is so far behind the rest of the world. Certainly, this kind of service should be achievable in every urban and suburban market in the US. All it takes is for Congress to force the ILECs to offer the FTTH drops to all ISPs and to force them to drop their unnecessary bundling of network service with ISP content provisioning.
I guess if that's all it takes I shouldn't hold my breath.
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anon @ 19th Jun 01:34AM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by mberlant :
...Currently, $60 is the going rate from all ISPs for 100Mbps/100Mbps fiber service
All I can say is WOW! Thanks for providing updated information, especially updated figures. I would happily pay $60 for 100 / 100 MB. I think most of us would.
Many of us in Canada and the US, wish we were offered this...wishing...wishing... and with many companies (since 2000 in Canada and since 2006 in the US) throttling service another option would be welcome in every market. Because of this action alone many would readily churn given an option even at more money per month.
In L.A. where I have plenty of options (ISP providers) I pay between $30 and $35 (yes I have been eyeing those sub $20 per month offers too - I am figuring I will need to switch once my provider starts 'throttling' my bandwidth as they are doing in other parts of the country...big mistake, but nothing new there either) however in other parts of this country and Canada it is not unheard of to pay closer to $100 per month for less bandwidth (under 10 MB) than what other countries are providing today. (Typically there is little or no competition in those areas)
Again I ask, any millionaires want to light up some dark fiber and go for it!!! You WILL GET RICHER!
said by mberlant :
Except for political wrangling, and the intransigence of the entrenched operators, it's hard to comprehend why the US is so far behind the rest of the world. Certainly, this kind of service should be achievable in every urban and suburban market in the US. All it takes is for Congress to force the ILECs to offer the FTTH drops to all ISPs and to force them to drop their unnecessary bundling of network service with ISP content provisioning.
Milking their investment in non-Fiber infrastructure.
Not investing in a fiber infrastructure (esp when times are good).
Preferring to blame a few customers on their usage, rather than take responsibility for their inaction at improving their own infrastructure.
...and on
...and on
It really makes the consumers sick and many would gladly pay more for more bandwidth. Some would pay more just to have a second option rather than who they are stuck with. The markets here are ripe for the picking!
You said a mouthful, "unnecessary bundling of network service with ISP content provisioning” you could add in pathetic marketing, such as providing customers with only 'one bill' rather than multiple bills for services. As if customers would over look poor service; restricted service; higher priced service just because you are combining their phone + internet + TV...please! I was in the telco industry when this was all the buzz, and I know for a fact that I was not the only one who thought it was a pathetic marketing attempt by the providers. (And yes I am ashamed to admit that many consumers were simple minded enough to buy into it) That was the early 1990s and here we are almost 20 years later and companies are still trying to sell this as a plus. How pathetic is that!
Guess if you don't have it, you can't sell it. Old dogs with no new tricks...really, really sad.
Sadly here in the US, companies have gotten very, very good at confusing their customers (and voters) with what they are really saying, offering (voting on). It is this 'confusion' that prevented Congress from doing the right thing a few years back when they had the chance too.
What is worse, is the very providers that are so entrenched and against this are the very ones that will benefit the most when it happens. It would be a customer service and market coup if they would do it on their own without being forced to do it. Now that is marketing that would work, assuming of course they get rid of their current 'customer - no service' mentality.
Many companies in the US have forgotten what it means to 'provide service' to customers. Yes, every market in the US and Canada is ripe for the picking!
The only thing that will get them out of their 'rut' is competition.
So I say again, any millionaires want to invest some money, buy some dark fiber, light it up and go after over 40% of the current US and Canada market?
I will come to work for you and help you to do this, as you will have more than enough profit to pay salaries and benefits! And if you went public after lighting up the first city, you would have more than enough capital to light up more dark fiber and perhaps even run some of your own...all the while making even more money.
Sprint seems to understand the need to run Fiber as they have been for years in many cities around the country, sadly they have the same 'customer no service' habits of all the companies currently in their marketplace. There are no exceptions to this that I have seen, heard of or experienced.
In fact you do not have to be that creative to google problems with all the providers in the telco, cable, dsl, cellular and internet market places. None of them can claim the high ground and they honestly believe that the American public will continue to put up with it. As we have over the last two decades.
Start a company, light up fiber, lay new fiber, PROVIDE SERVICE, don't allow representatives to be rude (Note you can be FIRM without being RUDE) and alienate customers. Provide bandwidth at current world prices (not the inflated US/Canada prices) and you will be rich, very RICH!
I can wish, can't I?
Thank you mberlant! Many in this country don't believe that others have it better elsewhere and rather than get upset with their providers as they should, mistakenly defend them; their slower services; their restricted bandwidth policies, etc, ad nausea.
As if its their customer's fault that they are choosing to milk their investment rather than improve their infrastructure and provide better products and services. After all they can't offer what they don't have, can they! The same companies will probably want the government to bail them out when a wealthy investor / business purchases and lights up the dark fiber that is already out there and takes away their business.
Its not a matter of IF, only a matter of WHEN. And yes I am available to travel! :-)
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NormanS @ 19th Jun 01:59PM:
Re: They have been running out of modems!
said by lamapper :said by mberlant :
...Currently, $60 is the going rate from all ISPs for 100Mbps/100Mbps fiber service
All I can say is WOW! Thanks for providing updated information, especially updated figures. I would happily pay $60 for 100 / 100 MB. I think most of us would.
Who is this "Us"? My price point for Internet is ~$30 per month. I don't care about the speed, just what I am paying to get there. I would rather keep the difference and apply it to アニメと漫画。
Again I ask, any millionaires want to light up some dark fiber and go for it!!! You WILL GET RICHER!
There is no "dark fiber" to light up in my neighborhood. There is little fiber at all, there. Some to a couple of VRADs on Castle Glen Way, and an "Alpha" box on a pole near Ora and Huntington; none to the premises. If you are a millionaire, you will spend, maybe, 150% of your fortune to run your own fiber into that neighborhood, and then you have to figure out the per premises cost to take it to the premises.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
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